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by Hoover » Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:12 pm
by tribefan333 » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:06 pm
by Hoover » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:04 pm
tribefan333 wrote:I don't know if I'd say Dellucci isn't clutch just yet. He has done a subpar job, but has come through and won us a game just a while back.
by Mcreek » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:46 am
Hoover wrote:Delluci and Michaels have worn out their welcomes. These guys can't catch tough fly balls, and they don't hit in the clutch. They may be good "clubhouse leaders" but they don't have much talent.So what about Ben Francisco? He sure has good numbers this year. .341 average, .399 OBP, and better plate discipline than anybody in our OF besides Grady. Ben is 6'1" 180 lbs. Is he similar to Gutz bodywise? Has anyone here actually seen Ben play? I'd like to see your evaluation if you have.
by Prosecutor » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:58 am
by ArtGold » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:10 pm
by Wahoot » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:41 pm
by consigliere » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:01 am
by Prosecutor » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:46 am
by Prosecutor » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:57 am
by intenso » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:24 am
Prosecutor wrote:Speaking of Eric Gagne, his line so far is 18 IP, 9 hits, 18 K's, and 1 earned run. Looks like he's all the way back. Now I have to be impressed with Borowski's 20 saves by the middle of June, but Gagne is being wasted in Texas, and he's a hell of a lot better than Borowski. I'd love to see the Tribe make a deal for this guy.
by Prosecutor » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:21 pm
by ArtGold » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:28 pm
by pup » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:55 pm
But we have to start giving Choo, Francisco and Gutierrez a chance. We have Barton, Snyder and others on the horizon and need to make some constructive personnel decisions.
by paulcousineau » Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:42 pm
Here are the current ERA's of the Rangers' starting pitchers: McCarthy 5.90 Tejada 6.49 Loe 6.56 Padilla 6.57 Millwood 7.62 (aren't we glad the Tribe didn't break the bank for him!) Do you think the Rangers might be interested in a Jason Stanford?
by Eckersley » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:05 pm
by intenso » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:44 pm
The DiaTriber wrote:Here are the current ERA's of the Rangers' starting pitchers: McCarthy 5.90 Tejada 6.49 Loe 6.56 Padilla 6.57 Millwood 7.62 (aren't we glad the Tribe didn't break the bank for him!) Do you think the Rangers might be interested in a Jason Stanford? Absolutely. The package of Stanford and Frank the Tank that everyone seems willing to part with looks tailor-made for a Rangers' swap.My hope is for Otsuka (Gagne still scares me health-wise) and I think that, while it's not the popular view, this offense will score enough to continue to win games.
by ArtGold » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:14 pm
by Steve Buffum » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:16 pm
by Prosecutor » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:33 pm
by pup » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:33 pm
by Steve Buffum » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:40 pm
Pup wrote:He would put us way over the Jhonny/Johnny threshold. Per MLB rules you can only have one guy who refuses to call himself John.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:21 pm
Steve Buffum wrote:Paging Macky P:Jonny Gomes is hitting, and has to be cheap after years of bad-mouthing ... how's he look?
by Steve Buffum » Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:26 pm
by consigliere » Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:10 pm
by Prosecutor » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:32 am
by paulcousineau » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:47 am
The immediate problem, though, is Stanford. Westbrook is ready to come off the DL and Stanford is out of options. I suppose we could send Cabrera down and keep Stanford, but what are we going to do with six starters? Pitch Stanford in long relief?
by VultureHxC » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:13 am
by consigliere » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:30 am
Prosecutor wrote:I just don't want to see them give Stanford away like they gave away Brandon Phillips and Jeremy Guthrie.
by Prosecutor » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:50 am
by consigliere » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:48 am
by Mr. MacPhisto » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:43 pm
Steve Buffum wrote:I've heard that Gomes has looked a lot better (i.e., the way he used to) recently, leading some to theorize that his shoulder has only recently actually healed.
by Steve Buffum » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:52 pm
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:I still think a Cabrera + Mastny deal would be possible. A guy like Mujica would also be of interest, probably moreso. Would you do it if Gomes can bat .270-.280 with power and OBP?
by Prosecutor » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:54 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:05 pm
Steve Buffum wrote:I'd probably try to get Reyes in the deal, too, but I'm in the same discussion with you.Open question: Brian Barton doesn't have the power of Gomes, but would he be an adequate platoon partner?In a sense, I almost think I'd rather find a LEFT-handed bat: the problem isn't as much when Michaels and Gutierrez play as it is when Dellucci and Nixon play ...
by Hoover » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:14 pm
by Steve Buffum » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:15 pm
Hoover wrote:The more I see of Ben, the more I like what I see.The dude can flat out rake.
by Hoover » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:28 pm
by consigliere » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:57 pm
by tribetalk » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:57 pm
by drewd » Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:42 am
by Mr. MacPhisto » Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:50 am
by ArtGold » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:05 am
by pup » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:45 am
1)Gutierrez Bat R 2)Barfield Bat R 3)Sizemore Bat L 4)Peralta Bat R 5)Martinez Bat S 6)Garko Bat R 7)Hafner Bat L Francisco Bat R 9)Blake Bat R
by swerb » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:01 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:10 pm
by consigliere » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:11 pm
Swerb wrote:Good column on Benny in todays PD. Had no idea him and Garko played HS ball together.http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindea ... xml&coll=2
Garko-Francisco ConnectionAn unknown fact hardly mentioned in spring training was how Ryan Garko and Ben Francisco were once high school teammates at Servite High School in Orange County, California. Both graduated the same year (1999), and on the baseball team Garko hit third in the lineup while Francisco hit cleanup. After high school, Francisco attended Cypress Junior College and then transferred to UCLA, while Garko attended Stanford University. To show how small the world is sometimes, the former high school teammates found themselves in a battle for the final bench spot with the Indians the final week in spring training.
by leadpipe » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:36 pm
Prosecutor wrote:The thing is, Byrd is getting killed by left-handed hitters again this year. In fact, they're hitting .351 against him. Supposedly he worked on a pitch that could get lefties out in the off-season and he was having some success with it in April. But it's definitely not working anymore, and there is no way a pitcher can be even a semi-effective starter when lefties are lighting him up like that. This is not a temporary thing. This is a continuation of last year. I see no reason to expect him to improve, especially since he worked the entire off-season on it with no success.I don't understand why we would let Stanford go for a low minor leaguer and continue to let Byrd go out and get hammered every five games. Face it, Byrd is past his prime and can no longer cut it as a starter. He should go to the pen and be a situational reliever. Even that might not be ideal, as righties are hitting .303 against him. Frankly, I'm not sure what to do with him. He's given up 58 hits in his last six starts. If Stanford has a second quality start tonight, I would shut Byrd down and give Stanford a shot. Send Mastny down until we figure out what to do with the starters.
by dmiles » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:40 pm
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