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by TribeinLA » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:32 pm
by consigliere » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:39 am
TribeinLA wrote:I have been reading the STO boards for a few weeks and enjoy the crap outta reading yall. Yall are truly some knowledgeable Tribe fans. I am in Louisiana and representing. I just got back from a week's stay in Cleveland and saw both the entire DET and KC series (what a game Fri nite!). I just wanted to tell you all hello and hopefully interact with all for the remainder of the season.
1) Carl Crawford...I know, I know...been discussed, but I WANT this guy. I ate dinner at the Winking Lizard next to some Indians scouts and they told me "NO way" unless we're offering Carmona. I don't want to give up Fausto, but what about offering Marte, Michael Aubrey, Choo, and Sowers/Lee/Miller? Eh?
2) The bullpen concerns: I think if we continue to depend on guys like Mastny and Fultz and Oldberto, then we aqre in trouble against teams like Detroit and even the ChiSox. Fultz gives me fits. Betancourt is the best setup guy in the AL Central...he absolutely drives hgitters nuts with his long delivery. So who can we add? David Riske does NOT need to come back to Cleveland! Might as well bring in Mesa if we do that! I would like to see us get a long reliver/spot starter ala Brandon Mccarthy. We need someone like that. Remember back in '00 (or was it '01) when we played those 5 games in Fenway and got some great spot starting? We NEED that. Who else could fill the shoes?
3) Grady to the 3 hole: This is undoubtedly where he needs to be, which is why I want Carl C. Grady is striking out a little too much. His power and speed would be viable in the 3 hole and he could become a very, very LETHAL player (before he gets snagged by the BoSox or Yankees in 3 years). Maybe this operation doesn't start until next year, but it needs to happen. We, however, must get a leadoff guy equal to or better than Grady (and there aren't many). We don't need to downgrade the leadoff spot like we did when Shapiro gave up Crisp for J. Michaels.
4) OK SHAPIRO ...John Hart, from my perspective (and again, tell me guys if I am off base...I am trying), was a better GM and I will always believe that. Shapiro is cheap and seems to think we can win a title with 4 really great hitters and then a bunch of average guys.
5) Wedge: Has his moments...anyone else think I'm crazy when I say, "We can do better!" I am not totally against him, but seriously...what is the deal with a guy who was playing in the 1989 College World Series? What would it take to get Orel H. and Buddy B in Cleveland.
So, will Joe Inglett come back or will we deal him? How about jason Stanford (where has he beeen since that great start he had aginst ChiSox 2 years ago?) and any others...????
by ArtGold » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:42 am
by TribeinLA » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:59 am
BTW, in 1989 Albert (Joey) Belle hit .225 with an OBP of .269 and 7 HRs in 218 Plate Appearances, so sometimes you get to see a little growth if you're patient!
by Mcreek » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:57 am
by intenso » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:55 am
TribeinLA wrote:One of the BIG reasons I became a fan of Cleveland (aside from my dad's heritage). I watched Joey play at LSU and was just interested in the way he played the game. He was one intense mutha and was a blast to watch hit. I was very happy when he was called up and very disheartened when he got into all of the mess from hsi short '90 season until the end of '91. It just seems like when they got that new stadium, all of the BS went with the old one. Albert, though....sheesh.
by TribeinLA » Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:40 am
You a big LSU baseball fan?
We have Charlie Manuel to thank for the glowing endorsment on two former Philly players Michaels/Dellucci
by intenso » Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:55 am
TribeinLA wrote:You a big LSU baseball fan?Yeah. I graduated from LSU and am a big fan in all sports. LSU baseball changed with the new bat size rule. Skip Bertman used to play a style of ball called "Gorilla ball", where we would just outclub opponents. We did have some great pitching - Chad Ogea, paul Byrd, Mike Sirotka, Brian Tallet, Ben McDonald, Russ Springer, Curt Leskanic, etc. If you look at LSU's 1997 team, though, and the amount of HR's they hit....sick and will never ever happen again.
by TribeinLA » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:19 pm
by swerb » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:25 pm
by Wahoot » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:41 pm
TribeinLA wrote:7b) Jason Michaels - Has been a flop mostly, with shaed of brilliance from time to time. I think he's more productive than the guy above him. This lf platoon thing..again...Choo? Choo?
by TribeinLA » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:18 am
by Wahoot » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:16 am
TribeinLA wrote:Jason is also a platooner. Coco Crisp was not. Coco was basically mimicing Sizemore, evn though Grady was nowhere near the talent he is now. That amzing strecth we had from July to September in '05 was just short of magical. Damn, we were hot and just missed...much the same way we did in 2000. Jason is just not a guy that I can see Joe Buck and Tim McCarver dissecting in the World Series because teams that have lineups with guys like he and DD and Nixon don't go to World Series. I hate to be critical, but Shapiro, in my opinion, lost big time on that deal. I don't but the whole "We can't afford Coco Crisp" bit. I was very, very bitter about that release. Coco has found a home in Boston. Michaels will play for three more teams over the next three years and then stick a fork in him. The final thing I will say is this: Michaels tries. I don't believe at all that he's a poor person, nor player. He crushes on left handers. He can be clutch. He is someone I wouldn't mind having be our modern version of Alvaro Espinoza. I don't like he and Dellucci and Nixon platooning. It totally shows that those three equal one Manny Ramirez or Magglio Ordonez. Juan Gonzales style "2001" is what we need.
Mark Shapiro has found an inefficiency in the market for hitters: players with big platoon splits tend to be underpriced. Thus, for less than half of the price of Carlos Lee (865 OPS over the last three years), the Indians can have a left field platoon of David Dellucci (875 OPS against righties) and Jason Michaels (829 OPS against lefties). Never mind the additional money Lee will receive, or the fact that he will be under contract until he’s about 60 years old –- the numbers suggest that a Michaels/Dellucci platoon should be as good as Lee this year.
by TribeinLA » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:39 am
But there's a method behind this madness.
by Wahoot » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:34 pm
TribeinLA wrote:Yes. It's called being cheap and Mark is the man when it comes to it.
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