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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:33 pm

Getting it started, just wanted to say that I got to see Homer Bailey in the Texas HS playoffs. He's really good, although it's hard to tell from the overmatched goobers I saw flail at him.

The Indians are a tought first test for him, being a patient team likely to lay off stuff that would get out minor-leaguers, but he's legitimate, comparable to (for sake of argument) Adam Miller. Yeah, he's That Good.

Don't like Lee pitching in Cincy's park: I see at least two balls leaving the yard. We can still win (Cincy blows), but Lee (and Sowers tomorrow) have blown, too.
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Unread postby pup » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:34 pm

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Unread postby leadpipe » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:37 pm

Homer Bailey is old school. Rail thin and can bring it. Similiar to "The Emu" but with more movement.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:40 pm

Lead Pipe wrote:Homer Bailey is old school. Rail thin and can bring it. Similiar to "The Emu" but with more movement.

By the way, he's filled out some. He's listed at 6'4" and 205, which recent photos suggest is pretty accurate (he could be as much as 220 from what I've seen: not chubby, just solid). Reminds me a little of A.J. Burnett.
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Unread postby paulcousineau » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:21 pm

I like the LH-centric Tribe lineup against Bailey and they're going to be sure to work some counts.

No question that Lee will give up some bombs tonight, unless he's actually effective against the big LH boppers for the Redlegs.

Anyone else love the fact that his given name is David and that he took the name Homer in honor of his grandpa?
This despite the fact that the name Homer was generally associated with a certain cartoon character of a show that started on it's own (not on the Tracey Ullman Show) when Bailey was 3!

Think he's heard D'OH before?
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Unread postby Wahoot » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:53 pm

The DiaTriber wrote:No question that Lee will give up some bombs tonight, unless he's actually effective against the big LH boppers for the Redlegs.


Griffey, Dunn, and Hamilton are all lefties, so this may be a better matchup for Lee than we think.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:15 pm

Wahoot wrote:
The DiaTriber wrote:No question that Lee will give up some bombs tonight, unless he's actually effective against the big LH boppers for the Redlegs.


Griffey, Dunn, and Hamilton are all lefties, so this may be a better matchup for Lee than we think.

Cliff Lee is spectacularly capable of giving up a home run to any man on Earth, even if he is standing on top of the plate and wielding the bat like an axe in one of those Stihl log-chopping contests.

I remain concerned. (And this is my favorite Indian.)
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:19 pm

Boy, Bailey will work up in the zone, won't he?
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:25 pm

Both Martinez and Nixon fouled off 2-0 pitches: looks like they're not overly concerned about the quality of Bailey's stuff.

(1-0 Indians on a single Hafner, double Martinez)
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:26 pm

Hey, who the heck is N. Hopper, anyway?
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:42 pm

I mean, Bailey really, really works up in the zone.

(1-1 Reds, solo shot by Phillips)
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:47 pm

Bailey is at 47 (!!) pitches through 2, he'll never see the sixth.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:53 pm

Wow, the homer to Phillips was bad (1-2 pitch), but Lee has 4 groundouts through 2 innings.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:56 pm

Bailey sure has Sizemore's number (2 Ks)...
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Unread postby Wahoot » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:19 pm

More good baserunning . . .

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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:30 pm

Okay, I'm officially tired of Brandon Phillips.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:50 pm

Huh, Cliff Lee gave up another home run. Who would have imagined?!

(3-2 Cincy after 4)
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:01 pm

Argh! They leave Bailey in at 106+ pitches to face left-handed Dellucci with the bases loaded ... and Dellucci whiffs! Gack!
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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:22 pm

Huh, Cliff Lee gave up another home run.

Which inning you talkin bout there Buff?
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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:22 pm

At least Lee will go down in history as the answer to a trivia question now, giving up #577 to Griffey.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:30 pm

FUDU wrote:
Huh, Cliff Lee gave up another home run.

Which inning you talkin bout there Buff?

I was talking about the second homer, I missed the third entirely.

I hate being right about stuff like that.
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Unread postby jfiling » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:45 pm

Sounding like maybe I made 2 good decisions: I picked up Bailey in both my fantasy leagues before this game, but sat him because I couldn't bear to go against the Indians. Unlike Tim Lincecum, who I've had in one of my league's lineups since his debut.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:52 pm

Why blow F-Goot there? It begs for a righty, and now only Shoppach is left to hit for the pitcher (assuming Peralta eventually replaces Rouse)?
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:54 pm

Nice GIDP, Frank!
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:58 pm

Sure enough, double by Barfield would have scored a run.

Now here comes Peralta.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:02 pm

Whoosh! K.
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Unread postby FUDU » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:14 pm

Record of opposition's starting rookie pitchers or short term call ups against the Tribe now stands at 68-11 (with 3 no decisions), in the Era of Champions.
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Unread postby pup » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:23 pm

The Indians will be on hand for the Major League debut of the Reds super prospect, Homer Bailey. Bailey was six and one with an ERA under two and a half in Triple A Louisville. Homer comes with as much hype as any starting pitcher in the minors, and with and Indians team that has long appeared to struggle when seeing someone for the first time, this could be the perfect spot for the Reds to go with the kid.
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Unread postby consigliere » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:19 am

My little "T-List" from last night's game....

1. I hate playing the Reds because everytime we play them I am reminded how much of an idiot Shapiro was to give Brandon Phillips away. I hated it when we did it (people thought I was nuts). And, I hate it still (people don't think I am nuts, at least in regard to BP).

2. I can't stand Franklin Gutierrez. Can't freaking stand him. I don't care that he hit two HR this week. Don't. I just can't stand him. I want him to go away. I want B-Fran up here like yesterday. Why we are still screwing around with F-Goot is beyond me.

3. Looch is a fucking moron. Bailey at 200 pitches, completely out of gas, and can't throw strikes......so what does he do with two strikes on him? Watches a strike three fastball go RIGHT DOWN BROADWAY. They even showed the replay with the K-zone graphic, and the freaking whit dot was pinpoint perfectly in the middle of the square. That ball should have been hammered and be in orbit.

4. You know, there is this thing called executing a plan.....but it is another thing to overdo it. I applaud the Indians for making Bailey work. It got him out of the game after 5 innings. But, holy shit, does working a pitcher mean we have to be THAT patient? We watched WAY too many strikes go by that were hittable. In our efforts to work the counts and get his pitch count up, we probably hurt ourselves missing some hittable pitches. We over did it.

5. How the hell does the worst bullpen in the NL, arguably the ML, shut us down for FOUR innings? That was bad. David freaking Weathers got a two inning save for crying out loud? And was Peralta taking tips from Looch on how to watch fastballs go by there in the 8th? Good Lord!

(as you can tell, this game left a bad taste in my mouth)
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:59 am

Consigliere wrote:
3. Looch is a fucking moron. Bailey at 200 pitches, completely out of gas, and can't throw strikes......so what does he do with two strikes on him? Watches a strike three fastball go RIGHT DOWN BROADWAY.


After the game Dellucci said "He had me guessing and I guessed wrong." Are you kidding me? Bases loaded, two out, two strikes on you, and you're guessing? In that case you've got to put the bat on the ball. Not to mention that he got a fastball. What was he looking for, a change-up? What a moron.

It's OK to guess early in the count, when if you're wrong and end up taking a strike you're still alive. But not with two outs and the bases loaded, with two strikes on you. In that case you see the ball, hit the ball. Dumb ass.
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Unread postby consigliere » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:14 am

Agreed.

I'm about ready to throw Looch under the bus after that idiotic comment.

If he had to guess what Bailey was gonna throw there....after he had thrown 1,000,000 pitches, his arm was hanging, he couldn't throw anything offspeed for strikes to anyone else that inning......then Looch needs to board the next bus to Dumbassville. Heck, don't come back Looch!

With two strikes you AIN'T GUESSING. You are protecting. You have to be choking up or something there with the notion that if you get something straight you hammer it, but if you get anything offspeed or a breaking ball you spoil it. You protect. Not guess. But the ball in play dammit.
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Unread postby pup » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:17 am

Fransisco cannot come up here without an injury to someone, forcing their hands. Maybe Trot's back can flare up for a couple of weeks and we can pencil him in Ben in for a couple weeks. More than liekly, he will sit in the minors because he is not old.
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Unread postby consigliere » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:27 am

Pup wrote:Fransisco cannot come up here without an injury to someone, forcing their hands. Maybe Trot's back can flare up for a couple of weeks and we can pencil him in Ben in for a couple weeks. More than liekly, he will sit in the minors because he is not old.


How about option Gutierrez to Buffalo, and callup Francisco.

Problem solved.
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Unread postby Hoover » Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:56 am

It's easily solved, except for one major roadblock--the guy in the manager's seat. He won't call up Ben unless Gutz is hitting .050.

Apparently Wedge is waiting to see if Rouse can get down to that level too. Why not call up Inglett? He's good enough fielding-wise, and he's a much better hitter.
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Unread postby consigliere » Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:08 am

Hoover wrote:Apparently Wedge is waiting to see if Rouse can get down to that level too. Why not call up Inglett? He's good enough fielding-wise, and he's a much better hitter.


Inglett is not a good enough fielder for a utility gig, and he can't really play on the left side of the infield. That is the problem.

I mean, he can play SS and 3B, just not good enough.

I'd rather take a shot on Rivas.

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Back in Spring Training, Indians utility infielder Mike Rouse absolutely smoked the competition and won the Indians utility man gig. But, since then, Rouse has struggled in Cleveland as he is only hitting .122 with 0 HR and 2 RBI in 41 at bats. To be fair, Rouse does not get regular playing time, so it is hard to stay sharp. Plus, he is probably the best shortstop option of any of the utility player options in the Indians farm system ready to play now.

But, with Luis Rivas tearing it up at Buffalo, it may be time to consider a switch. At Triple-A Buffalo, Rivas is hitting .299 with 7 HR, 27 RBI, 8 stolen bases and an .846 OPS. He also just had a 23-game on-base streak stopped on Thursday. Rivas is a veteran and may fit more with the Indians as this season progresses and the pennant races heat up. If the Indians do opt for Rivas, they will likely lose Rouse as he is out of options and he would have to clear waivers in order to be sent to the minors. But, we are talking about Mike Rouse. Who cares. Utility players are a dime a dozen, so if someone else wants to pick him up, so be it.
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