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by dmcdougal » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:16 am
by captain_wahoo » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:18 am
by Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:40 am
by ArtGold » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:51 am
by MadThinker88 » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:53 pm
by paulcousineau » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:53 pm
Don't know what the Cards would want, but something like Barton and Choo/Scott Lewis would be OK with me.
by swerb » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:58 pm
Steve Buffum wrote:If Rune Elvis is a Yankee, that is Advantage Indians.
by pup » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:06 pm
by Steve Buffum » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:20 pm
Pup wrote:How about getting K-Love from the Rangers, and moving Grady to the 3 hole?LoftonBlakeGradyVictorPronkPeraltaNixon/MichaelsGarkoBarfield
by swerb » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:25 pm
(BTW, Rich, I think you mean Al Reyes, not Denny.)
by paulcousineau » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:26 pm
What about dealing one of our young bullpen arms to the D-Rays for Denny Reyes? That cat is dealin this year ...
by pup » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:47 pm
Ultimately, I think this team's success is all about pitching. The offense is not just okay, it's quite good. The "marginal value" on the pitching staff is a lot higher (IMO, I'm allowed to have those too, right? ) than in the batting order. That's why the Gagnes and Isringhausens and Reyeses hold a lot more interest for me.
by Wahoot » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:57 am
by pup » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:44 am
No way. Statistically, Lofton's not much of an improvement over Dellucci, and there's no way I'd give him (and his .727 OPS) the extra at bats a leadoff hitter gets. Plus, by moving them down in the order, this lineup takes plate appearances away from Grady and Pronk.
by Guest » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:12 am
by consigliere » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:23 am
by pup » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:13 am
go after one of the high-priced RH bats who probably fit this lineup better.
by consigliere » Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:59 am
dmcdougal wrote:---- Cleveland has reportedly offered Troy Percival a contract and Mark Shapiro has stated that "It's in the agent's court."
by Wahoot » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:35 pm
Pup wrote:No way. Statistically, Lofton's not much of an improvement over Dellucci, and there's no way I'd give him (and his .727 OPS) the extra at bats a leadoff hitter gets. Plus, by moving them down in the order, this lineup takes plate appearances away from Grady and Pronk.Lofton is a different player on a 90 win club than a 90 loss club, I promise. And if they lose 10 AB over the course of the season, but the AB's they add are in more run producing situations, I am all for it.Kenny (BTW Buff, I think he could handle left) could add a swagger and a true lead off hitter, allowing Grady to blossom into the three hole htter we all believe he is. Didn't know OPS was such an important stat in a lead off hitter.
by BruceK » Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:49 pm
by pup » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:30 pm
by ACrank » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:51 am
by ArtGold » Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:18 pm
by MadThinker88 » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:51 pm
by FUDU » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:17 pm
I wish we had a coo-coo emoticon.
by Wahoot » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:22 pm
Pup wrote:So you guys think David Delucci is better than Kenny Lofton?I wish we had a coo-coo emoticon.
by pup » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:38 pm
by pup » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:50 pm
by pup » Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:17 pm
by StewieG » Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:53 pm
FUDU wrote:I wish we had a coo-coo emoticon.
by consigliere » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:17 am
by ArtGold » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:45 am
by Wahoot » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:27 am
ArtGold wrote:I have been neutral on Dellucci, I think he is a marginal starting outfielder, and shouldn't have been signed to the contract we provided.For all of the past praise for Dellucci, I want to point out that in the 3 seasons he was given at least 300 ABs his BA was .260, .242 and .251. He has had one season in a 10 year career where he has hit over 17 HRs. I know he has had some limited playing opportunities, and in my view for good reason. If playing a bench role, as 4th outfielder, he is pretty valuable. If you plan on him being an everyday player, I think you will be disappointed. I think he will do somewhat better than he is currently producing, but I expect him to hit around .260 with 15 HRs, and not top his career high of 65 RBIs. Sometimes I think folks fall to much in love with the historical splits, I don't know that they are great projection tools due to changes in number of games played.
by Wahoot » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:41 am
Pup wrote:Delucci sucks donkey ass. That is all I am saying. His career splits against RH pitching mean absolutely nothing to me. He has NEVER had a season where he got everyday AB's and produced. Any numbers he has come from getting a few AB's here and there, never giving other teams the chance or reason to develop ways to pitch to him.
by pup » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:35 am
In 518 plate appearances, Dellucci's OPS was .880.
by Wahoot » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:55 pm
Pup wrote:And he hit .250.
Pup wrote:2006 - Pinch hit his way to a .292 average.2005 - Needle anyone?2004 - .240 as a regular.2003 - .227/.313/.3522002 - .245/.326/.402
Pup wrote:He doesn't hit when he plays the field and he has almost as many games as a pinch hitter as anyhing else. There always have been and always will be players that cannot play everyday. They have to many holes and the more AB's they get, the more they are exposed.
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