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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:33 pm

Through two (scoreless two-hit) innings, Paul Byrd has thrown 26 pitches.

22 were in the strike zone.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:35 pm

On the other hand, Brian Bannister has faced the minimum through 2 (Grady singled but was caught stealing).
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:41 pm

Back-to-back doubles, then and out and a single ... 2-0 KC.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:49 pm

Byrd gave up a solid RBI single to Teahan on an 0-2 pitch.

Ya know, if wouldn't hurt to throw a ball or two here and there. You just CAN'T throw a hittable strike on 0-2. About the only gripe I have had in regard to Byrd so far this year. He knows it too, yet still does it.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:59 pm

I thought Blake's ball was going to be a hit, but the RISP 2-out curse still lives.

Shealy's ball, however, didn't leave a lot of room for doubt. 3-0 Royals.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:59 pm

Like I said, mix in a ball or two. 0-1 to Shealy, and gone.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:07 pm

Okay, I would really like someone in the middle of the order to get a hit.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:11 pm

Bannister at 49 pitches through 4: we may not see the bullpen tonight.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:18 pm

Another bloody 0-2 hit!

In Byrd's defense, it wasn't a strike. In fact, Grudzielanek fouled off ball 4 before he singled.

First & third, 0 outs, top 5.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:25 pm

What happened to score the 4th run? A fielder's choice ... but everyone is safe?
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Unread postby swerb » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:35 pm

Is it time to consider adding Bannister in my fantasy leagues?
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:36 pm

This is looking like one of those frustrating games to watch/listen to. Byrd not sharp tonight, and the offense is awful. WTF is this guy pitching, Greg Maddux?
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:39 pm

Wow. What a way to lose a streak. Byrd's 48 consecutive inning streak with no walks comes to an end.....with an intentional walk! Actually, ending that streak may be a good thing as I am sure Byrd started to pay more attention to throwing too many strikes to avoid walks....
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:39 pm

Byrd's string ends with an intentional walk. Feh!
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:40 pm

It worked, though, lineout DP to end the inning.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:53 pm

Hafner doubles in a run, 4-1 after 6 (we got Bannister up to 90 pitches, he might only get one more).
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:57 pm

Perez on to start the 7th.

Final line for Byrd: 6 IP 10 H 4 R 4 K 1 BB 1 HR
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:00 pm

I love Rafael Perez.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:08 pm

Steve Buffum wrote:I love Rafael Perez.


Now you've done it.

(P.S. I love him too.)
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:10 pm

Wasted a triple by Dellucci.
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Unread postby jjgmyers » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:26 pm

Is it time to consider adding Bannister in my fantasy leagues?



You can forget about Gurus b/c I already snatched him up a few days ago. You might as well send me the 1st place check now
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Unread postby swerb » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:31 pm

jjgmyers wrote:
Is it time to consider adding Bannister in my fantasy leagues?



You can forget about Gurus b/c I already snatched him up a few days ago. You might as well send me the 1st place check now

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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:53 pm

Here is a managerial head-scratcher....not sure I would have brought out Perez for a third inning. I know he has length and all, but may have just been happy with 2 innings of shutout ball and give the ball to someone else.

Perez obviously was tired here in the 9th, and was lifted for Hernandez. Ugh. Get ready for the Royals to score 1-2 runs here.
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Unread postby Get_Wedge_Out_NOW! » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:04 pm

alright johnny!

i feel some magic coming
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Unread postby Get_Wedge_Out_NOW! » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:05 pm

DAVE!!!


here we go again boys, i feel it
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Unread postby Get_Wedge_Out_NOW! » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:06 pm

just.one.hit.please


PLEASE!
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:07 pm

WTF are we bunting for down 2? That is ASSININE. So, let's bunt with Barfield, give up an out, to get to....Shoppach? I guess it pretty much ensures you get to Sizemore.
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Unread postby Get_Wedge_Out_NOW! » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:08 pm

Consigliere wrote:WTF are we bunting for down 2? That is ASSININE. So, let's bunt with Barfield, give up an out, to get to....Shoppach? I guess it pretty much ensures you get to Sizemore.




hence my user name
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Unread postby Get_Wedge_Out_NOW! » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:10 pm

unintentional intentional walk
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Unread postby Get_Wedge_Out_NOW! » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:10 pm

OMG ITS BLAKE


i cant bear to watch!!! :cry :cry:
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Unread postby Get_Wedge_Out_NOW! » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:12 pm

O SNAP!!


1 one game :o
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:13 pm

Ugh. Way to take Hafner out last inning Wedge. PR for Hafner down 3 freaking runs. Gonna bite us now.
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Unread postby Get_Wedge_Out_NOW! » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:14 pm

shit i knoew we were toast when i saw hafner wasnt up.....


i judt turned it on and thought pronk would save the day
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:15 pm

Ok, THIS is one of those games Wedge lost to me. Two absurd decisions if you ask me. One, to PR for Hafner in the 8th when we were down THREE runs and Hafer on 1B with the bases loaded. The second, BUNTING down TWO runs.
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Unread postby Wahoot » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:10 am

Consigliere wrote:Ok, THIS is one of those games Wedge lost to me. Two absurd decisions if you ask me. One, to PR for Hafner in the 8th when we were down THREE runs and Hafer on 1B with the bases loaded. The second, BUNTING down TWO runs.


I'm just now getting home . . . are you telling me that Hafner was on first base WITH TWO OUTS in the eighth and Wedge pinch ran for him, thereby making Gutierrez our cleanup hitter for the ninth?
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Unread postby consigliere » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:35 am

If I recall correctly, Wedge pinch ran for Hafner with one out and the bases loaded in the 8th. Hafner was on first.

To me that is an assinine move. Assinine.

You don't take the best hitter in your lineup out when DOWN THREE RUNS. And, I also think I only take out such an important player in the last inning. No way do I pinch run for a player like Hafner in the 7th or 8th innings.

I get what Wedge was thinking, that with Gutierrez on 1B, he may score on a double. But, the percentages are it will take TWO HITS to score from 1B. In just about every scenario, whether you are Franklin Gutierrez or Travis Hafner, you will score from 1B with two hits. There is no huge decided advantage with having Gutierrez in there.

If anything, you let Victor hit with Hafner still in at 1B. If Victor gets a hit, which moves Hafner (the tying run) to 2B, THEN you maybe consider the move. Even then I don't do it in the 8th inning.
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Unread postby Wahoot » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:55 am

Consigliere wrote:If I recall correctly, Wedge pinch ran for Hafner with one out and the bases loaded in the 8th. Hafner was on first.

To me that is an assinine move. Assinine.

You don't take the best hitter in your lineup out when DOWN THREE RUNS. And, I also think I only take out such an important player in the last inning. No way do I pinch run for a player like Hafner in the 7th or 8th innings.

I get what Wedge was thinking, that with Gutierrez on 1B, he may score on a double. But, the percentages are it will take TWO HITS to score from 1B. In just about every scenario, whether you are Franklin Gutierrez or Travis Hafner, you will score from 1B with two hits. There is no huge decided advantage with having Gutierrez in there.

If anything, you let Victor hit with Hafner still in at 1B. If Victor gets a hit, which moves Hafner (the tying run) to 2B, THEN you maybe consider the move. Even then I don't do it in the 8th inning.


Agreed. The only way you make that move is if Hafner is on second or third. Even then, I'm not crazy about it.
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Unread postby consigliere » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:40 pm

http://www.theclevelandfan.com/article_ ... hp?id=1844

Pinch-running Gutierrez for Hafner was unspeakably misguided, if not simply retarded. What is more likely, that Martinez hits a double (because virtually nothing else would make a difference), or that Hafner would come to the plate in the ninth? If Hafner doesn't come up in the ninth, we're probably going to lose anyway, right? And KC has one left-handed relief pitcher, meaning that it's pretty much righties all the way down as to whom the 3-slot would be facing then.


Glad someone else agreed how much of an assinine decision that was.

Again, bottom of the 9th and Hafner being the tying run ON SECOND BASE....I pinch hit for him. In no other scenario do you do it.
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