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5/23 Indians vs. Royals

Unread postby consigliere » Wed May 23, 2007 7:41 pm

Just figured I would start this up in case anyone wanted to talk about the game.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed May 23, 2007 8:15 pm

Wow. Nice to see Elarton hasn't lost that ability to give up the home run ball.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed May 23, 2007 8:33 pm

Interesting inning here by the Indians. Lee has recorded two outs by getting the runner at third out.
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Unread postby Steve Buffum » Wed May 23, 2007 8:46 pm

Giving up two runs is less interesting.

3-2 Indians after one.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed May 23, 2007 8:52 pm

Lee and Sowers drive me mad.
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Unread postby CLEfan86 » Wed May 23, 2007 8:53 pm

Can Lee ever give up less than four runs? He's a 6IP 4ER pitcher.
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Unread postby pup » Wed May 23, 2007 8:54 pm

Can Lee ever give up less than four runs? He's a 6IP 4ER pitcher.


The power of run support...gotta love it.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed May 23, 2007 8:56 pm

Six hits in 1+ innings so far for Lee.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed May 23, 2007 9:00 pm

Ugh. How long before you yank Lee?

No one throwing in the bullpen. 1+ innings....5 runs on 8 hiuts.
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Unread postby CLEfan86 » Wed May 23, 2007 9:01 pm

He couldn't get me out the way he's going.

The lack of an out pitch is really upsetting.
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Unread postby FUDU » Wed May 23, 2007 9:02 pm

Well looks like after all there is a good chance of a sweep.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed May 23, 2007 9:03 pm

Wow.

And NOW we finally get someone up.
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Unread postby pup » Wed May 23, 2007 9:05 pm

CC, Miller, Fausto, Jake, and pray for rain.
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Unread postby CLEfan86 » Wed May 23, 2007 9:05 pm

Consigliere wrote:Wow.

And NOW we finally get someone up.


I was beginning to wonder if Wedge was actually managing to win this game, I guess not. Not to let Lee off the hook because he's been awful.
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Unread postby Hoover » Wed May 23, 2007 9:05 pm

Who do we have for long relief? Ferd? Can't trust him.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed May 23, 2007 9:13 pm

Actually, this might be an opportunity to stretch Cabrera out and get him going again.
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Unread postby CLEfan86 » Wed May 23, 2007 9:28 pm

Just plant Dellucci on the bench, he's completely worthless. Choo can hit .100 and get paid a fourth of the amount.
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Unread postby Wahoot » Wed May 23, 2007 9:43 pm

CLEfan86 wrote:Just plant Dellucci on the bench, he's completely worthless. Choo can hit .100 and get paid a fourth of the amount.


At this point, I would have to agree. We brought him in here because he was supposed to OWN right-handed pitching . . . so far he's posted a sizzling .242 BA and a .652 OPS (against righties). And that doesn't count tonight's futility.
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Unread postby CLEfan86 » Wed May 23, 2007 9:57 pm

CLEfan86 wrote:Just plant Dellucci on the bench, he's completely worthless. Choo can hit .100 and get paid a fourth of the amount.


Apparently if you continually bad mouth a guy he'll finally produce.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed May 23, 2007 10:17 pm

This is a completely different team on the road vs at home. Amazing.
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Unread postby Wahoot » Wed May 23, 2007 11:18 pm

I don't know. Looks like the same Fernando Cabrera to me :cry :cry:
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Unread postby intenso » Wed May 23, 2007 11:26 pm

CLEfan86 wrote:The lack of an out pitch is really upsetting.



He never has had one. You'd think he would have picked that up some where along the way.
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Unread postby Hoover » Thu May 24, 2007 9:44 am

Consigliere wrote:Actually, this might be an opportunity to stretch Cabrera out and get him going again.


That worked out real well. :roll :roll:

Long relief is a problem area for the Tribe. They've got nobody who's reliable right now.
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Unread postby pup » Thu May 24, 2007 10:06 am

Long relief is a problem area for the Tribe. They've got nobody who's reliable right now.


Sowers, Lee and Jake not making it out of the 2nd inning is the much bigger problem.

Not having a reliable long reliever is hopefully not something that is too essential for the overall success of this team.
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu May 24, 2007 10:25 am

Now our only hope of not getting swept by the last place Royals before heading on to Detroit and Boston is Jeremy Sowers. Great.

Man, did Wedge blast Lee after the game or what? Check out the game story in the PD. He said it's a wake-up call and Lee better be ready to pitch next time out.
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Unread postby pup » Thu May 24, 2007 10:32 am

How could he do anything else but blast him?

Threw home instead of turning a double play..in the first inning! Trying to protect the shutout I guess.

Didn't cover first base, because he was still sulking over being an idiot and throwing home.

Mental mistakes, while the norm for this team, are unacceptable. Wedge coming out and laying in to him is another change from Wedge, as he continues to grow as a manager.

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Unread postby Hoover » Thu May 24, 2007 10:33 am

Pup wrote:
Long relief is a problem area for the Tribe. They've got nobody who's reliable right now.


Sowers, Lee and Jake not making it out of the 2nd inning is the much bigger problem.

Not having a reliable long reliever is hopefully not something that is too essential for the overall success of this team.


It's not? Coulda fooled me last night. We had nobody to call on when Lee got bombed, so he gave up 8 runs. If Sowers gets shelled again tonight, who is Wedge gonna call on? They're all used up, or unreliable.
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Unread postby pup » Thu May 24, 2007 10:38 am

It's not? Coulda fooled me last night. We had nobody to call on when Lee got bombed, so he gave up 8 runs. If Sowers gets shelled again tonight, who is Wedge gonna call on? They're all used up, or unreliable.


Slow down, take a breath and relax. It was more tongue in cheek.

With our rotation, there should be very few times that you call on someone to give you 4 innings out of the pen. Lee gave up 8 runs because he is stupid, not because we didn't have anyone to turn to.
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Unread postby Hoover » Thu May 24, 2007 10:53 am

Prosecutor wrote:Now our only hope of not getting swept by the last place Royals before heading on to Detroit and Boston is Jeremy Sowers. Great.

Man, did Wedge blast Lee after the game or what? Check out the game story in the PD. He said it's a wake-up call and Lee better be ready to pitch next time out.


He played the blame game last year, putting down Jhonny to the media. Now he's playing the blame game again, teeing off on Lee.

Everybody knows he blew it by not covering 1st. But to rip into the guy for his bad outing is rude, crude and uncalled for.
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Unread postby Hoover » Thu May 24, 2007 11:04 am

Pup wrote:
It's not? Coulda fooled me last night. We had nobody to call on when Lee got bombed, so he gave up 8 runs. If Sowers gets shelled again tonight, who is Wedge gonna call on? They're all used up, or unreliable.


Slow down, take a breath and relax. It was more tongue in cheek.

With our rotation, there should be very few times that you call on someone to give you 4 innings out of the pen. Lee gave up 8 runs because he is stupid, not because we didn't have anyone to turn to.


Our rotation is overrated. CC & Carmona look good, Byrd is OK so far, the other 2 guys are huge question marks. Starters ERA is 4.65, pretty mediocre. Lee & Sowers are both over 7 ERA. This staff is held together by 3 good guys and 2 that are as porous as toilet paper. Lee & Sowers are likely to get shellacked most times they go out to the mound.

That's why we need a good long reliever. Cabrera ain't getting the job done, who else we got? They should consider calling up Stanford for long relief, but I doubt they'll do that. The answer won't be found in our current pen, they better look somewhere else.
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Unread postby consigliere » Thu May 24, 2007 2:42 pm

Somebody must be poking Wedge with a stick and keeping him awake in games this year, because he has for the most part been a completely different manager this year. He has started runners countless times and done other things.....plus he has not held back in publicly crucifying any players who play like shit. Is that really Eric Wedge on the bench? I still say it is a beta unit.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Thu May 24, 2007 2:44 pm

Hoover wrote:
Prosecutor wrote:Now our only hope of not getting swept by the last place Royals before heading on to Detroit and Boston is Jeremy Sowers. Great.

Man, did Wedge blast Lee after the game or what? Check out the game story in the PD. He said it's a wake-up call and Lee better be ready to pitch next time out.


He played the blame game last year, putting down Jhonny to the media. Now he's playing the blame game again, teeing off on Lee.

Everybody knows he blew it by not covering 1st. But to rip into the guy for his bad outing is rude, crude and uncalled for.


His public lashing of Lee had everything to do with the mental aspect and little with the physical. He got on Jhonny last year not for having a sub-par offensive season, it was for the lack of hustle and lack of awareness in the field. Christ, he was as sick as you and I wondering if the guy was going to throw to the right base. Wedge has every right to get on gus for this shit. It sure seemed to me like Lee didn't even know the game was on the schedule. And that comment has nothing to do with who he did or didn't get out.
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Unread postby Wahoot » Thu May 24, 2007 3:12 pm

Lead Pipe wrote:His public lashing of Lee had everything to do with the mental aspect and little with the physical. He got on Jhonny last year not for having a sub-par offensive season, it was for the lack of hustle and lack of awareness in the field.


That's pretty much the unspoken code: physical errors are going to happen; mental errors are a reflection of poor discipline/effort.

Part of Wedge's job as coach is to make sure the latter don't happen, and I think that's why he was ripping Lee in public.
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