Moderators: peeker643, swerb, pup, paulcousineau
by skatingtripods » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:18 am
by dazindiansfanuk » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:27 am
skatingtripods wrote:DKnobler of CBS Sports just Tweeted that Boston intends to trade Youkilis.
by Bayou Tribe » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:42 am
WiscTribeFan wrote:peeker643 wrote:Bayou Tribe wrote:I know it's all rumors now, but the word is that the Cubs would eat the vast majority of that just to get him out of there. Garza is interesting as well, started out great and has hit the skids as of late. LaHair still looks like a nice piece that could be relatively cheap.That's why I brought it up. Cubs have said everyone other than Samardzija are on the table. Even Castro.I knew the author was reading into things a bit much when I first saw that. You don't trade a 22 year old shortstop, you build a team around him.
peeker643 wrote:Bayou Tribe wrote:I know it's all rumors now, but the word is that the Cubs would eat the vast majority of that just to get him out of there. Garza is interesting as well, started out great and has hit the skids as of late. LaHair still looks like a nice piece that could be relatively cheap.That's why I brought it up. Cubs have said everyone other than Samardzija are on the table. Even Castro.
Bayou Tribe wrote:I know it's all rumors now, but the word is that the Cubs would eat the vast majority of that just to get him out of there. Garza is interesting as well, started out great and has hit the skids as of late. LaHair still looks like a nice piece that could be relatively cheap.
by skatingtripods » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:00 pm
dazindiansfanuk wrote:I'd happily take Youk even though his big shiny head does freak me out a little.Problem is the Sox would probably want pitching in return from the ML roster and we haven't got a lot of it to spare.
by WiscTribeFan » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:00 pm
Bayou Tribe wrote:Are we sure he is a shortstop? Guy has as many errors as he does walks+HR's through 50 games. Close to 30 E's each of the last two seasons as well. Good stick, no doubt, but if you can get a big haul from someone who still thinks he can be an everyday SS, they may consider.
by rebelwithoutaclue » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:44 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:47 pm
by WiscTribeFan » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:25 pm
by bookelly » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:02 pm
by skatingtripods » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:21 pm
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Also wouldn't mind Victorino but he went from underrated to overrated last year and would probably cost too much.
by bookelly » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:27 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:53 pm
by Am I Here Again? » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:19 pm
by googleeph2 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:12 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:32 pm
by dazindiansfanuk » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:39 pm
Dnthateonthepronk wrote:Can he play the field, is the question? Otherwise we have 2 DHs
by googleeph2 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:40 pm
by peeker643 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:13 pm
by skatingtripods » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:20 pm
peeker643 wrote:Dnthateonthepronk wrote:Can he play the field, is the question? Otherwise we have 2 DHsIt tickles me that we, fans of a team with Johnny Damon running around in LF, ask this question
by Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:04 pm
by British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:24 am
FOX Sports' Jon Paul Morosi reports that the Tigers have interest in acquiring the Padres' Carlos Quentin.The Blue Jays have also been linked to the San Diego outfielder, and other teams should join the fray as the July 31 trade deadline approaches. Quentin, 29, has registered a fantastic .421/.542/.921 batting line in 12 games this season for the Friars. He's set to become a free agent five days after the 2012 World Series.
by pup » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:37 am
by rebelwithoutaclue » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:40 am
Then he got released before even getting to Toronto.
by skatingtripods » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:28 pm
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Then he got released before even getting to Toronto.I believed they released him per his request.
by rigs » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:19 pm
by googleeph2 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:30 pm
pup wrote:Pass.Time bomb of injuries. We have enough of those.
by jb » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:33 pm
rigs wrote:The past offseason, in the "window of opportunity" (pause for laughter), is one of the biggest failures in this front office's tenure. That is saying something profound.
by e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:41 pm
jb wrote:rigs wrote:The past offseason, in the "window of opportunity" (pause for laughter), is one of the biggest failures in this front office's tenure. That is saying something profound.When did Rigs get back ?!?! This oughtta lkiven up this place.
by rigs » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:02 am
by swerb » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:49 pm
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:52 pm
by dazindiansfanuk » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:59 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:07 am
Kevin Youkilis Rumors: ThursdayBy Ben Nicholson-Smith [June 21 at 9:05am CST]Potential suitors for Kevin Youkilis are waiting to see if the Youkilis of old returns, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports. So far this year, the 33-year-old has a .225/.311/.359 batting line, which means he's on track for the lowest batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage of his nine-year career. Here are the latest Youkilis rumors from Boston: The Red Sox have stepped up their efforts to trade the infielder, and will have to absorb most of his $12MM salary to facilitate a deal, Cafardo writes. However, they want something more than salary relief for Youkilis, a homegrown player who developed into an All-Star. The Indians are very much involved in talks and talks with the Diamondbacks don’t appear to be dead, Cafardo reports. The Phillies have scouted Youkilis, and the Dodgers could have interest, but the White Sox are more likely to pursue pitching help.
by scrambler » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:33 pm
by pup » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:06 pm
scrambler wrote:This team has been a blast to follow this year. they have overachieved spectacularly. cousineau's article today is perfect in illustrating the problems with the starting pitching which is by far the biggest issue. That they actually are 36-32 is a testimony to Acta I think without question. Santana and Sipp have been the biggest disappointments for me. A .240 hitting , .350 OBP catcher with power is pretty darn good, but I thought he'd be way, way better as an offensive player. Sipp forgot how to pitch for some reason I can't explain. As bad as the starting pitchers are, they are doing about what I thought. Lowe and Jimenez just aren't good and Gomez is gomez. Masterson has been brilliant his last 3 starts so he may be back as a legit one once again. Cabrera and Kipnis have been really good and Choo is very close to back to pre drunk driving Choo...he is a perfect leadoff hitter, and Brantley has been fine. I honestly don't really think you can get a good enough starting pitcher to fix what needs fixed. We tried it last year too. Upgrading the offense would be nice, but cousineau highlights what the problem is big time. It ain't offense.
by Prosecutor » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:38 pm
You know, it is entirely possible that up to this point the problem has been starting pitching...but going forward the problem is most likely to be offense?We are trending the wrong way in most categories, going from leading the world in walks by a large margin to having the fewest walks in the AL in June.
by pup » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:59 pm
by googleeph2 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:28 am
by Prosecutor » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:15 am
pup wrote:Sweet. Hafner is on a rehab assignment. Which means we are getting closer to his next trip to the DL.And talk about not sustainable? When losing one guy from your lineup takes you from averaging 5 walks/game to 2.5. It isn't like we have drawn a few less walks. We went from drawing a shit ton of walks to hardly ever walking. Three guys, not one, pup. Hafner has the highest walk rate on the team; 1 every 4 at-bats. Santana leads the team with 39 walks. Hannahan draws a walk every 9 at-bats; Chisenhall has one walk in 59 at-bats. The simultaneous loss of Hafner, Santana, and Hannahan is what caused the drop in walks. It's not a trend. It's a temporary situation that should return to normal now that Santana and Hannahan are back and Hafner will be back in a couple of weeks. Counting on Jack Hannahan to lead the offensive explosion is like counting on e0 to be the sympathetic ear when you are having a rough day. Those other things have been in place for how long? Other than Damon hitting better, there is no boost to be gained. And the Damon improvement has to be weighed versus the chances Mike Brantley has some sort of regression from his hot stretch.Nobody said anything about Hannahan leading any offensive explosions. But he does draw a walk every couple of games, whereas his replacements (Chiz and Lopez) hack away at anything that doesn't look like it will hit the bull. Brantley is hitting .282. Can he hit .282 for the rest of the year? I don't see why not. Getting him out of the leadoff spot has been beneficial. He was hitting .270 last year when his hamate bone started bothering him. So you got Damon playing better. Santana quitting his bastardness. Captain DL coming back and staying back.Been over this numerous times. Drawing walks as a bunch of .260 hitters will not continue. Guys will start pounding the zone as the season progresses. Santana hit less than .260 last year and still drew a ton of walks. Same thing this year. Same with Hafner. If teams start "pounding the zone" against them in the second half, I think that would be a good thing. What you have right now is an average offense. Add Hafner and you still have an average offense. They need to add a significant piece that can hit in the middle of the order. I believe that piece can make a significant difference, because the ability to balance this lineup out is a need.Yes, they're average and they need to balance out the lineup. But if they don't, I see no reason why they won't continue to be average. Damon and Kotchman are hitting better. Santana missed 8 games with the concussion and then went 2-for-23 in his first 6 games back. That's 14 games where Santana got exactly two hits. Since then he's hit safely in 7 of 8 games with 5 walks. My objection was to your point that the offense is more likely than the pitching to be the problem in the second half. The one piece of evidence you presented is that the team "hardly ever walks" anymore. You said this is a trend. I'm saying it's a temporary situation due to multiple injuries, including injuries to the two players who walk the most. It's not a trend. This team has no bench. When Hafner, Santana, and Hannahan all go down at the same time it's going to have an impact until they return. I see no reason to think the offense is going to be any worse than it has been. It might even get better since three players who were abysmal in April/May (Damon, Kotchman, and Marson) are progressing to their norms. The players that are hitting well aren't doing anything they haven't already done (Brantley had a 19-game hitting streak), except for Kipnis. By the way, the Tribe averaged 4.3 runs per game in May and 4.5 so far in June. Even with Hafner, Santana, and Hannahan missing significant chunks of time, the offensive trend is up.
by pup » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:25 pm
by googleeph2 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:16 pm
by pup » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:37 pm
googleeph2 wrote:I think that pitching ranking is extremely deceptive. They generally are able to lock down a 7th inning lead.Would be nice to have more depth (as always), but what team would you trade back ends of the pen with?The starters don't need to be lock-down; they mainly have to go 5 or 6 before letting a game begin to get out of hand. I really like the staff, which imo is poised to become dominant in the 2nd half. Doesn't mean they will though.What I want to know is how do you judge Radinsky. Is he doing a good job, and how do you know.
by Prosecutor » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:14 pm
pup wrote:The pitching staff was the strength before the season. As a whole, they are better than the 13th best staff in the AL. Which is where they currently are. I believe they will pitch better than that going forward. Which is why I am saying the pitching is less of a problem going forward, even though it was more of the problem thus far.Just an opinion my man.
by skatingtripods » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:10 pm
by googleeph2 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:35 am
by googleeph2 » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:14 am
by Prosecutor » Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:50 am
googleeph2 wrote:Does anyone know exactly what Gomez needs to do to be effective? Keep the ball down? Wondering what I should be looking for.
by skatingtripods » Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:51 am
by dazindiansfanuk » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:12 pm
Indians have been the most serious bidder for Youkilis but the White Sox jumped into the mix yesterday. Dodgers consistent interest.
by Am I Here Again? » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:18 pm
Return to Cleveland Indians & MLB
Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], ybot and 3 guests