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Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby bucknutz94 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:11 pm

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Re: Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:23 pm

bucknutz94 wrote:http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7206897/cleveland-indians-worms-no-1-enemy


Hmm... the author is higher on the defensive potential of Kipnis and Chisenhall than I am but that was an interesting read.
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Re: Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby swerb » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:09 pm

Good read - thanks for the link
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Re: Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby paulcousineau » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:35 am

Little bit of hyperbole on Keri's part in terms of this staff being "historic" in their GB tendency. The Indians have been doing this for a while and (just to throw out an example) the 2010 staff also had 3 extreme GB pitchers (Masterson, Westbrook, and Carmona) that all finished in the Top 7 among MLB starters in GB%, with Talbot posting a 47% GB rate that year, with Jeanmar, Carrasco, and Laffey (23 starts combined) all topping the 45% mark.

While the piece is well-researched and well-written, it isn't really anything "new" or "historic" that the Indians are attempting to do.
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Re: Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:03 pm

Screams the need to get a better defensive 1B.
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Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:04 pm

Will read the article later, but certainly understand the premise as all anyone talked about when the Indians acquired Lowe was the ground ball tendencies of the pitchers.

Something went unnoticed a few days later which I think took away from the Tribe's supposedly brilliant move of trading Lowe. Chien-Ming Wang, as groundbally as any of them, re-signed with the Nats for $4 million. Now perhaps he really liked Washington and was going back there anyway. They did sign him when he was out for an entire season, so they bought loyalty in a sense. But #WhatIf the Indians offered him a $5 million contract? Same as what they're paying Lowe for a better, younger pitcher. Or maybe even a two-year deal?

The guy was great for the Yankees for a year or two. No doubt he can pitch in the AL based on that. Not saying the Indians could have got Wang if they wanted, but if they are really as smart as they want everyone to think I hope they at least tried to get him for what they gave Lowe.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:34 pm

Wang off TJ surgery. Lowe hasn't been on the DL in 10 years.

Advantage Lowe.
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Re: Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:54 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Wang off TJ surgery. Lowe hasn't been on the DL in 10 years.

Advantage Lowe.


Wang has recovered from that surgery. He pitched 62 innings last year at the same level that made him a two-time 19-game winner w/the Yanks. He's younger than Lowe, probably better, and has a longer future.

Advantage Wang.
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Re: Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:05 pm

GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Wang off TJ surgery. Lowe hasn't been on the DL in 10 years.

Advantage Lowe.


Wang has recovered from that surgery. He pitched 62 innings last year at the same level that made him a two-time 19-game winner w/the Yanks. He's younger than Lowe, probably better, and has a longer future.

Advantage Wang.


If I'm running Wang or Lowe out there, my concern wouldn't be improving the infield defense, it'd be erecting a screen to protect the fans in the bleachers.

Advantage teams that don't have these guys.
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Re: Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:16 pm

GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:Wang has recovered from that surgery. He pitched 62 innings last year at the same level that made him a two-time 19-game winner w/the Yanks. He's younger than Lowe, probably better, and has a longer future.

Advantage Wang.


What bearing does "longer future" have on anything? Either guy would be a one year stopgap.

Not to mention, Lowe had to come here. Wang would have never chosen to come here. Makes it a moot argument.
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Re: Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby swerb » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:43 pm

leadpipe wrote:If I'm running Wang or Lowe out there, my concern wouldn't be improving the infield defense, it'd be erecting a screen to protect the fans in the bleachers.

Advantage teams that don't have these guys.

:lmfao:

Exactly.

On a somewhat related note, I did name my latest Strat team "Chien Ming's Wang".
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Re: Interesting article on the Tribe's staff

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:51 am

Or you just combine them into one person then you have a Lowe Wang.

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