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by FUDU » Fri May 04, 2007 2:53 am
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri May 04, 2007 4:09 am
by consigliere » Fri May 04, 2007 8:45 am
by paulcousineau » Fri May 04, 2007 9:41 am
by FUDU » Fri May 04, 2007 11:58 am
The NFL is just as guilty as MLB and has just as many users. They're up next.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri May 04, 2007 12:14 pm
FUDU wrote:Quite possibly, the thing about the NFL is they have had the proactive approach for a long time now, 20+ years IIRC.Their policy has also been a good one and they make no bones about how serious they are.Not to say players don't get away with it (nothing is perfect) but the NFL certainly does not give the impression that they are only going through the motions and ultimately really don't care, b/c that is exactly what MLB is and has been doing.I can at least respect the NFL for its efforts, cannot say the same thing for MLB.
by FUDU » Fri May 04, 2007 12:37 pm
The NFL broke the union 20 years ago. I'd say they're more on the hook than baseball and I think the NFL's efforts have been largely lackluster. They test for the "traditional" stuff, but ignore so many other things when they have the ability to push testing further.
I'm another one who's just not bothered by the whole steroid thing. I wasn't shocked when the news broke. I realize that there are plenty of people in all sports who use the stuff and other things (HGH for one). People have found ways to avoid detection even with random drug testing.
Too many people are overly idealistic about sports. Cheating will always happen. Athletes will often get away with it. Whether it's the holding that gets ignored, the vaseline ball that gets thrown, or the steroid that gets injected. Hell, I intentionally cheated when I played basketball. I never took any performance enhancers, but I'd hammer on my opponents when the refs were looking another direction.
by StewieG » Fri May 04, 2007 12:41 pm
There is no way to tell during the sporting event if in fact somebody is on PED's.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri May 04, 2007 1:11 pm
FUDU wrote:The NFL is no where near being on the hook as much as ANY other sport, particularly baseball. The NFL has been perpetually applauded for it efforts and its polices on drugs. They polices evolve with science and have been and are ahead of other sports. Not to say the NFL's policy is perfect. But you're way off implying that the NFL isn't hands down at the top of the mountain in this regards, head and shoulders above MLB to boot.
The problem here is there are plenty of athletes who do it by the book and for them to step on the field and have to compete with players who go beyond the boundaries of the rules is..well it isn't competition on an equal playing filed that's for sure.
Those things like holding, doctored baseballs and hammering the opponent on the court are not in the same boat as steroids is as a cheating mechanism. Steroids requires off the playing surface tests and involvement of certified professionals to be detected. Holding, Vaseline balls and hard off the ball fouls only require a referee (that is present at that time) to simply blow a whistle, those are most often total judgment calls, steroids is like being pregnant, you're either on them or you're not. There is no way to tell during the sporting event if in fact somebody is on PED's.
by sandlot33 » Fri May 04, 2007 1:15 pm
FUDU wrote: In the end my hopes are the sport recovers and returns to it's true self as in back in the day with the names of so many heroes that we grew up collecting cards of.
by FUDU » Fri May 04, 2007 1:42 pm
Nope there's not. Thank you for making my point for me.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Fri May 04, 2007 2:25 pm
by FUDU » Fri May 04, 2007 3:06 pm
Mr. MacPhisto wrote:Good dodge on the amphetamine question.If a player takes amphetamines before a game as a performance enhancer, how does the NFL catch it since they don't test in game?I guarantee you that NFL players do it. You don't seem all that broken up about it.And, as I said, the NFL's drug testing is just PR. We all know that players have means of getting around the screenings. The NFL tests are nothing more than a nice security blanket for fans like you, but the blanket is as real as the Emperor's new clothes. MLB has not been as good at PR as the NFL has been and you want to essentially dog the league just for that.As I said, just as many and likely more NFL players are juiced. There've been reports on that too, but the NFL is better at deflecting criticisms and many of the fans choose to ignore it because they can't imagine life with the No Fun League.
by monty980 » Sun May 06, 2007 5:50 pm
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