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by pup » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:03 pm
skatingtripods wrote:Upton sucks. Unless you mean Justin, in which case I give up Pomeranz and Hagadone for him.
by skatingtripods » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:07 pm
pup wrote:And he would be our 3rd best hitter and our best OF right away.
by swerb » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:20 pm
pup wrote:If they add Mike Morse and fall a couple of games short, you are going to lose the people that still have hope that Antonetti > Shapiro.Go big (Pence/Upton) or sell.Buying a mid level bat will have people chanting Dolan is cheap AND Antonetti is an idiot.And it doesn't matter what joe fan thinks. If they did that deal and Allen Craig becomes the RH corner OF they NEED next season..the same joe fan that returned this year and got pissed off because we traded Joe Smith will come back next year when they are winning.
by peeker643 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:25 pm
TribeinLA wrote:Well how about getting Casey Nagy...I mean Charlie Blake back? He could dh vs. LHP's and play 3rd and even some lf. What's he 37?
by The Math God » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:37 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:55 pm
by TribeinLA » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:07 am
by WiscTribeFan » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:57 am
TribeinLA wrote:Pence is the name that seems to be most popular with most here -- over Ludwick, Beltran, and Morse. With us not picking up Grady's option, is this a kid we'd be willing to sign for a long period of time and become our next highest paid player? I am thinking Houston would go for less than Mets would. Maybe give them Weglarz and Phelps?
TribeinLA wrote:I still like Ludwick. Give SD some backend bullpen help which means either Smith or Pestano or Perez and also a good prospect. Maybe McAllister even?
by WiscTribeFan » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:05 am
Dnthateonthepronk wrote:They wont get Pence without having to give up at least one major upper level prospect like Kipnis or White and another guy or without having to give up 5 or 6 double A to low A guys. Im not saying he is worth that but that is what it would take to get him.The Astros know what they have in Pence and are not just going to give him away for a bunch of crappy guys. 1) They don't have to trade him and 2) If they did trade him, it would be to restock their system so he would go to the highest bidder, which wouldnt be Cleveland, as well it shouldnt be because Hunter Pence is not the difference in making this team a world series contender/winner.
by paulcousineau » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:32 am
Based on the comments I've read the past few days, let me throw in some names and trades for the Indians.o Laporta, Gomaz and Judy to the Red Sox for Adrian Gonzalez. Laporta can play first for them and the Red Sox could always use a few arms.o Kearns, Valbuena and Scott Barnes to the Cardinals for Albert Pujols. Puhols is injured some but I'd be willing to take a chance on him. He's a free agent at the end of the year, but I'd overpay with these guys because we're making a pennant run.o Choo, Laporta , Corey Kluber and Justin Germano to Toronto for Jose Bautista and Adam Lind. We trade a RF and1B and get a RF and 1B back. But we give Toronto two good arms so they'll probably do it.o Mitch Talbot, Travis Buck, Beau Mills and Josh Judy to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw. Kemp is the leader for NL MVP, but he's 26 years old already and the Dodgers would be getting Beau Mills who's having a breakout year in his 3rd or 4th year in AA Akron at age 25. We'd be giving up some good pitching prospects, but Kershaw with his 2.88 ERA, 10-4 record on a bad team, 155 k's and 1.05 WHIP looks like he might be OK. Besides, he's a left handed pitcher which is good, but he's already 23 years-old and it appears he Dodgers are getting tired of waiting for him. And the Dodgers are ready to be fleeced.o I have some more trades that think will be of benefit to the Indians for now - Prince Fielder for 2 AA 2nd stringers but the Dolan's may be too cheap. Joey Votto and Mike Leake for Jason Knapp. Willing to throw in Austin Kearns if I have to. Lou Marson and the rights to Wes Hodges to Atlanta for Brian McCann. We could move Santana to 1B and then trade Laporta and Gomez to the Astros for Hunter Pence.Have Andretti give me a call.
by WiscTribeFan » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:34 am
by peeker643 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:16 am
by swerb » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:46 am
by paulcousineau » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:03 pm
swerb wrote:That .... is A Classic. Thanks for posting Paulie.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:19 pm
by Pressrunnr » Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:49 pm
Holy fucking shit. Those trade scenarios are incredible. They have to be a joke, no? I mean what kind of fucktard would think we'd have to give all those studs and the immortal Corey Kluber for Jose Bautista? We'd be getting the short end of that stick Kluber is a LOCK for the Hall Of Fame. Leave it to Shitpiro to give up so much for so little in return. C'mon... These are STARS in the making, what has Bautista ever done? Isn't he a utility guy anyhow?I sugest we gvie up Tarvis Buc, Astin Kurns, Fatsuo Cramona, Lewis Valbana, Stig Legman, and Andee Matrog 4 Prince Felder, Ryan Brown, Ricki Wooks, and Smerf Todd Grigsby. ITS ALL WIN, FOO.
by Symbolic47 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:29 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:18 pm
Symbolic47 wrote:Again I would personally consider Josh Willingham the best option. We could probably re sign him, and with the uncertainty with Grady and Choo, with ZERO power bats upcoming besides Weglarz, he would improve the team alot IMO. Hes having a down year with Oakland, but he would immediately become our second best power hitter( maybe first). If need be we could open next season with JW in LF, Brantley in CF and Choo in RF. I really didn't envision Grady being around next season....What Im looking for is a move that would benefit us now AND in the future. Thats the key with our small margin for error and limited resources. Hell I bet Beane would entertain the idea of trading him for Weglarz strait up, as Nick is a Beane type guy with his off the charts walk rate. Plus Weglarz is still an unknown, immense potential, but is always hurt, and has never transferred his power potential in game yet. Just something to put out there. A move I would do in a heartbeat......
by skatingtripods » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:07 pm
by scott » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:34 pm
skatingtripods wrote:JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN Indians working hard on deals for one of Josh Willingham and Ryan Ludwick
by WiscTribeFan » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:46 am
Dnthateonthepronk wrote:Are you Willingham's dad or something? You love that guy. I have never seen such an average player get so much love
by peeker643 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:08 am
by rebelwithoutaclue » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:13 pm
by TribeinLA » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:58 pm
by pup » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:00 pm
by TribeinLA » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:16 pm
by dazindiansfanuk » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:29 pm
TribeinLA wrote:I think Buck and Phelps for Kemp and cash.
by WiscTribeFan » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:35 pm
dazindiansfanuk wrote:TribeinLA wrote:I think Buck and Phelps for Kemp and cash. Have you been drinking?
by pup » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:36 pm
by TribeinLA » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:47 pm
by skatingtripods » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:27 am
by Rat_Tail » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:00 pm
skatingtripods wrote:SI_JonHeyman: the indians called on ryan ludwick and are eying coco crisp. could battle reds/others for the 2 ex-indians
by Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:45 pm
by skatingtripods » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:50 pm
by YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:52 pm
by skatingtripods » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:01 pm
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! wrote:Where does Crisp play when Grady comes back(if he does)? He's never played an inning of RF in his ML career and doesn't really have the arm to do so.
by YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:05 pm
skatingtripods wrote:YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! wrote:Where does Crisp play when Grady comes back(if he does)? He's never played an inning of RF in his ML career and doesn't really have the arm to do so.Choo will be back before Sizemore, if Sizemore comes back at all.Have Kearns/Buck platoon RF, Crisp in LF when one of those two isn't out there.This is assuming we don't get a bigger name like Pence or Byrd or Ludwick or someone else.
by pup » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:07 pm
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! wrote:skatingtripods wrote:YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! wrote:Where does Crisp play when Grady comes back(if he does)? He's never played an inning of RF in his ML career and doesn't really have the arm to do so.Choo will be back before Sizemore, if Sizemore comes back at all.Have Kearns/Buck platoon RF, Crisp in LF when one of those two isn't out there.This is assuming we don't get a bigger name like Pence or Byrd or Ludwick or someone else.Just saw that Sizemore is out 4-6 weeks right after I posted that. If we get Crisp we're looking at Brantley-Crisp-Kearns/Buck?
by skatingtripods » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:35 pm
by peeker643 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:38 pm
by rebelwithoutaclue » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:38 pm
Rat_Tail wrote:skatingtripods wrote:SI_JonHeyman: the indians called on ryan ludwick and are eying coco crisp. could battle reds/others for the 2 ex-indiansI think I'd rather get Crisp/Carroll over Ludwick/Willingham. I think we need to go for AVG/OBP over HR/RBI. How many sub .250 hitters do we need on this team?And anyone actually know how much payroll the Indians are willing to add? I think Crisp and Harang are two reasonable moves that would help us now and wouldn't break the bank.
by Commodore Perry » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:43 pm
by dazindiansfanuk » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:00 pm
peeker643 wrote:It would be more surprising to me if Jason Donald wasn't replacing Valmala.
by Pressrunnr » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:05 pm
4 years from now, you'll be glad we didn't throw prospects away on 2011
by Rat_Tail » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:35 pm
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Coco Crisp career OBP: .330Josh Willingham career OBP: .362
by pup » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:42 pm
Rat_Tail wrote:rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Coco Crisp career OBP: .330Josh Willingham career OBP: .362I was going off of this year. CrispAVG .265 OBP .315 HR 4 RBI 31 SB 27WillinghamAVG .240 OBP .315 HR 12 RBI 47 SB 4If you wanna argue stats it all depends on what you're looking for. We already have enough "Willinghams" on our team.
by YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:45 pm
by skatingtripods » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:46 pm
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! wrote:Kipnis just tweeted..."ITS TIME!!!!"Any chance that means he's coming up?
by Kingpin74 » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:49 pm
by Bigfist » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:18 pm
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