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Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA signed

Unread postby TribeinLA » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:13 pm

I was just thinking who the last true superhuman-like player was that didn't come from our farm system (and do not say kenny Lofton in 2007) who we signed to play ball.

Kevin Millwood (I would say no)?

I cannot think of any. Jason Michaels did look like Lex Luger though, so he should count.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby redneckofsc » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:34 pm

Don't know any Juan Gonzales, but Juan Gonzalez was the last good free agent we signed.

But if you think about it, the Indians have never really signed that many big free agents.

The only ones I can recall I would say were big, was Gonzalez, Burks, Alomar, and Finley.

If my memory is correct, Gonzalez, Wood, and Millwood are the only free agents the Indians ever gave 10M to in one season.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby gotribe31 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:36 pm

TribeinLA wrote:I was just thinking who the last true superhuman-like player was that didn't come from our farm system (and do not say kenny Lofton in 2007) who we signed to play ball.

Kevin Millwood (I would say no)?

I cannot think of any. Jason Michaels did look like Lex Luger though, so he should count.


We traded Max Ramirez for Kenny Lofton in 2007, so I don't think anyone was going to say him.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby BruceK » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:02 pm

We gave a big contract to Travis Hafner to keep him from leaving as a FA. That worked out well.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:47 pm

Bob Howry in 2005.
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Unread postby googleeph2 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:03 pm

Kerry Wood?
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby redneckofsc » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:16 am

skatingtripods wrote:Bob Howry in 2005.



Wasnt he signed after he sat out almost a whole season, and paid next to nothing?
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Unread postby WarAdmiral » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:35 am

From Wayne Garland to Juan Gon, there haven't been that many. Jack McDowell is one that comes to mind, that hasn't been listed, and that one turned out pretty bad. We have clearly had more success with free agent reclamation projects, than healthy established free agents.
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Unread postby redneckofsc » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:41 am

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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:43 am

redneckofsc wrote:Wasnt he signed after he sat out almost a whole season, and paid next to nothing?


Maybe. Either way, he's made the biggest contribution as a recent Indians FA signing.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby noles1 » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:14 am

Kevin Millwod, maybe?
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Unread postby Dellucci TailGator » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:21 pm

Millwood led the league in ERA. I'd count that as a great signing.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:26 pm

I also agree that Juan Gone would be the latest big free agent to sign at the time. Millwood was a great signing but he was also coming off a poor prior year and injuries.

Before these guys, Blackjack, The Bulldog Herschieser and El Presidente Martinez. I am not sure if Eddie Murray was a free agent or a trade?

All of those signings were excellent for us with the exception of Blackjack.

I went to see Blackjack play a concert at a very small venue in Lincoln Park about a month after he signed with the Tribe. He was either completely out of his mine stoned, completely crazy or both. He shows up by himself for an accoustic set, proceeds to sing songs with highly racist lyrics and about halfway through one set starts refering to "his band". Only problem is there was no band it was just him. He played one set and left very abruptly to no fanfare or clapping. People were stuned and there were a lot of tribe fans in the audience sporting wahoo gear looking to get a first glimpse of our new ace.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby Toxicadam » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:56 am

Casey Blake was a free agent signing. He racked up 13 WAR in his 5 1/2 seasons with the Indians.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby Eckersley » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:41 am

Juan Gonzalez, Kevin Millwood & Bob Wickman were the top 3 IMO.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby Bigfist » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:48 am

Wickman was part of the Richie Sexson trade with Milwaukee. Really, I think of all the free agent signings, the best was Roberto Alomar, who had three great seasons in Cleveland...then went downhill quickly once he was traded.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby Eckersley » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:32 am

Bigfist wrote:Wickman was part of the Richie Sexson trade with Milwaukee. Really, I think of all the free agent signings, the best was Roberto Alomar, who had three great seasons in Cleveland...then went downhill quickly once he was traded.


Correct, but his contract expired once or twice & we resigned him after he was eligible for free agency. He had some of his best years at the end of his career. He usually walked the tightrope in the 9th inning, but he was great bang for the buck.

I don't know how I forgot Robbie. He was definitely the best FA signing in Tribe history.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby Spin » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:16 pm

Bigfist wrote:Wickman was part of the Richie Sexson trade with Milwaukee. Really, I think of all the free agent signings, the best was Roberto Alomar, who had three great seasons in Cleveland...then went downhill quickly once he was traded.


I agree, Robby may have been the last of the best. Juan Gone only played 150 games here.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby Pressrunnr » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:44 pm

Robby was far and away the best. Ellis Burks underrated, but very good. Millwood and Juan were great one-year rentals. For pure, multi-year free agent deals for established major league players (i.e., non-one-year-rental), I'd rate them this way:
1. Robby. 2. El Presidente 3. Ellis Burks (very underrated, probably because he and Gonalez were kind of the consolation prize for losing Manny) 4. Eddie Murray.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby Dellucci TailGator » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:04 pm

Those 20 fabulous games of Kevin Mitchell in 1998 have to be in the discussion, do they not?
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:24 pm

Dellucci TailGator wrote:Those 20 fabulous games of Kevin Mitchell in 1998 have to be in the discussion, do they not?


They do if you hated Chad Curtis. ;-) ;) :wink:

I'm assuming Wayne Garland and Keith Hernandez have been eliminated?
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby Pressrunnr » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:29 pm

Oh, if we want to talk BAD free agent signings, that's unfortunately a much more crowded field. I'd have to vote Jack McDowell for worst. Man, with that lineup at that time, that stud No. 1 starter was THE last piece. To his credit, John Hart said he had a choice between him and Kevin Brown (imagine -- an Indians GM being able to CHOOSE between two big-name free agents) and, obviously, chose wrong.
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Re: Fact or Fiction: Juan Gonzales was the last great FA sig

Unread postby Spin » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:30 am

Pressrunnr wrote:Oh, if we want to talk BAD free agent signings, that's unfortunately a much more crowded field. I'd have to vote Jack McDowell for worst. Man, with that lineup at that time, that stud No. 1 starter was THE last piece. To his credit, John Hart said he had a choice between him and Kevin Brown (imagine -- an Indians GM being able to CHOOSE between two big-name free agents) and, obviously, chose wrong.


Let's not forget Juan Gone Part II.

One at bat. Must have left his roids in KC.
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