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6/2/11 Indians vs. Rangers. Beat the champs to be the champs

Unread postby FortheWin » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:38 pm

Indians Lineup:
Michael Brantley CF
Asdrubal Cabrera SS
Shin-soo Choo RF
Carlos Santana C
Grady Sizemore DH
Travis Buck LF
Orlando Cabrera 2B
Matt Laporta 1B
Jack Hannahan 3B

Pitching: Carlos Carrasco 4-2, 4.91 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 32 Ks


Rangers Lineup:
Kinsler 2B
Andrus SS
Hamilton LF
Young DH
Beltre 3B
Cruz RF
Moreland 1B
Torrealba C
Chavez CF

Pitching: Dave Bush 0-1, 4.43 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 11 Ks


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Unread postby Symbolic47 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:26 pm

We got a break tonight as Matt Harrison was the scheduled starter. And hes been pitching really well as of late.

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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:54 pm

In the Words of the Immortal Ric Flair

" TO BE THE BEST, YOU GOTTA BEAT THE BEST "




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Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:10 pm

It's going to be such a joke when Jack Hannahan doesn't win the gold glove.

He should be the runaway winner for AL 3B GG if the season ended today, but some big name like Beltre would get it. Ugh.
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:28 pm

Another double.

Grady 20XBH out of 27 total hits in 100 at bats
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Unread postby FortheWin » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:28 pm

Nice hit grady! I think he's out of his slump now.
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:28 pm

Loving these opposite field swings from Grady!
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Re: 6/2/11 Indians vs. Rangers. Beat the champs to be the ch

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:28 pm

statmasta wrote:It's going to be such a joke when Jack Hannahan doesn't win the gold glove.

He should be the runaway winner for AL 3B GG if the season ended today, but some big name like Beltre would get it. Ugh.


I'd be less concerned about him winning a Gold Glove and more concerned about the fact you gotta run him out there every night.

Look, good guy, great glove - but you're kidding yourself if you don't think there are many guys every year that could play an excellent third base, but can't hit enough, and end up being cut.

From his approach, (and guys are worried that Santana pulls the ball too much) that lllooooonnnnngggg swing.....he's everything as advertised offensively coming in - which was awful.

The randomness of some big hits he's had in the first few months will even out - unless you're also fool enough to believe a lousy, .230 hitter has some sort of "clutch" gene, and he'll be a cipher on offense - as bad a regular as there will be in the league at that position.

Defense is enough if you aspire to be at the low end of mediocrity.

Look, it is what it is, I'm not saying bring up this guy or that one. But understand at the end of the day, a guy like him will be carried by the team if they are fortunate enough to be winning - he ain't helping produce those wins.
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Re: 6/2/11 Indians vs. Rangers. Beat the champs to be the ch

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:29 pm

Buckus!!!!
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Unread postby FortheWin » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:29 pm

Nice hit buck!!

Vote A-cab into the starting SS for the AL. Jeter is somehow the leader right now. :spanky:
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Re: 6/2/11 Indians vs. Rangers. Beat the champs to be the ch

Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:31 pm

leadpipe wrote:
statmasta wrote:It's going to be such a joke when Jack Hannahan doesn't win the gold glove.

He should be the runaway winner for AL 3B GG if the season ended today, but some big name like Beltre would get it. Ugh.


I'd be less concerned about him winning a Gold Glove and more concerned about the fact you gotta run him out there every night.

Look, good guy, great glove - but you're kidding yourself if you don't think there are many guys every year that could play an excellent third base, but can't hit enough, and end up being cut.

From his approach, (and guys are worried that Santana pulls the ball too much) that lllooooonnnnngggg swing.....he's everything as advertised offensively coming in - which was awful.

The randomness of some big hits he's had in the first few months will even out - unless you're also fool enough to believe a lousy, .230 hitter has some sort of "clutch" gene, and he'll be a cipher on offense - as bad a regular as there will be in the league at that position.

Defense is enough if you aspire to be at the low end of mediocrity.

Look, it is what it is, I'm not saying bring up this guy or that one. But understand at the end of the day, a guy like him will be carried by the team if they are fortunate enough to be winning - he ain't helping produce those wins.

He's the #9 hitter. Who cares. Let's just appreciate his D.

...which is AMAZING
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Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:35 pm

Orlando delivers....somehow.
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:35 pm

Wooo!! 2-0 still no outs
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Unread postby FortheWin » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:35 pm

Orlando Cabrera has been one of my favorite players this year.
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Unread postby scrambler » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:39 pm

FortheWin wrote:Orlando Cabrera has been one of my favorite players this year.


you haven't been reading. he's the guy holding the team back from being successful this year.
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Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:41 pm

Jack with an RBI! In your face!
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Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:44 pm

scrambler wrote:
FortheWin wrote:Orlando Cabrera has been one of my favorite players this year.


you haven't been reading. he's the guy holding the team back from being successful this year.

Nobody's saying that.

People have just discussed if the team could be even better with Phelps taking over for Cabrera. That doesn't mean we think he's keeping the team from success.
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:50 pm

FortheWin wrote:Orlando Cabrera has been one of my favorite players this year.

Unfairly pilloried by some on this site. He's shown himself to be a reliable guy w/RISP.
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Unread postby Symbolic47 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:56 pm

scrambler wrote:
FortheWin wrote:Orlando Cabrera has been one of my favorite players this year.


you haven't been reading. he's the guy holding the team back from being successful this year.


I have never seen anyone post that
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Unread postby FortheWin » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:04 pm

A catcher stealing? WHAT?!
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Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:05 pm

FortheWin wrote:Nice hit buck!!

Vote A-cab into the starting SS for the AL. Jeter is somehow the leader right now. :spanky:

Frackin' popularity contest being won by a player from an area who's team has more fans than fans with brains. I've already cast my 25 votes...perhaps it's time to create a new e-mail account?
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Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:05 pm

FortheWin wrote:A catcher stealing? WHAT?!

Lou Marson has 9 stolen bases over the past 2 seasons (103 games).
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Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:10 pm

Carrasco seems to be getting smarter and smarter with every start in how he attacks hitters.
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Unread postby googleeph2 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:15 pm

leadpipe wrote:
statmasta wrote:It's going to be such a joke when Jack Hannahan doesn't win the gold glove.

He should be the runaway winner for AL 3B GG if the season ended today, but some big name like Beltre would get it. Ugh.


I'd be less concerned about him winning a Gold Glove and more concerned about the fact you gotta run him out there every night.

Look, good guy, great glove - but you're kidding yourself if you don't think there are many guys every year that could play an excellent third base, but can't hit enough, and end up being cut.

From his approach, (and guys are worried that Santana pulls the ball too much) that lllooooonnnnngggg swing.....he's everything as advertised offensively coming in - which was awful.

The randomness of some big hits he's had in the first few months will even out - unless you're also fool enough to believe a lousy, .230 hitter has some sort of "clutch" gene, and he'll be a cipher on offense - as bad a regular as there will be in the league at that position.

Defense is enough if you aspire to be at the low end of mediocrity.

Look, it is what it is, I'm not saying bring up this guy or that one. But understand at the end of the day, a guy like him will be carried by the team if they are fortunate enough to be winning - he ain't helping produce those wins.



This is to me a very valuable take, and legit. I love this yr's Tribe, but- those who claim smoke & mirrors have a point. However, who's to say the Indians' strengths aren't good enough to win this division?

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Unread postby scrambler » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:18 pm

Symbolic47 wrote:
scrambler wrote:
FortheWin wrote:Orlando Cabrera has been one of my favorite players this year.


you haven't been reading. he's the guy holding the team back from being successful this year.


I have never seen anyone post that


It is just a little sarcasm. No one has said that, but I've seen a ton of written material that we need to go to Phelps...right NOW! And if prople believe that they think we'd have more wins with Orlando not playing which by logical reasoning means he's holding the team back a bit.
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:21 pm

Just a little upcoming series news with the Twins coming to Cleveland on Monday..... they placed both Thome and Kubel on the 15-day DL today.

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Unread postby googleeph2 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:24 pm

' "clutch" gene'

And Lead, don't disregard this out of hand.

I believe in this- as long as the team realizes his prospects for a full season and signs or otherwise features a replacement as regards a hitter who might be expected to
keep it going.

Like trading for a guy who you hope is a 'professional hitter' in days of yore- like a David Seghi.

Who are prospects for such a role in 2011?
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Unread postby FortheWin » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:31 pm

Don't give up the lead!
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nt
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nt
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Unread postby FortheWin » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:36 pm

Come on TRIBE! DON't let them score anymore!
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nt damn
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:38 pm

CC looked pretty horrific that inning.

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Unread postby googleeph2 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:41 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:CC looked pretty horrific that inning.

Everything is way upstairs


I want a win tonite.

Top of the order coming up.

I want runs, or 20 pitches thrown to get whatsis face to about 100...
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Sorry-relief pitcher in. Still demanding a win at home !
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:55 pm

leadpipe wrote: he ain't helping produce those wins.



I completely disagree. We had nobody who could field 3B, let alone someone with the defensive ability of Hanahan.


Is he the main reason we are winning, No, but his defensive play has a huge impact this year.
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Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:57 pm

LAPORTA IS SO STUPID

one of the dumbest players I've ever seen, honestly
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WTF LAPORTA
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Unread postby googleeph2 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:01 pm

CarCar: No, you gotta get this guy
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Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:01 pm

The inning should be over and the game should be tied.

LaPorta is so, so stupid.
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:02 pm

Game over because LaPorta is a tit. But you can't be too harsh on him. Had to be aware of the guy at 3rd
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Unread postby statmasta » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:03 pm

statmasta wrote:Carrasco seems to be getting smarter and smarter with every start in how he attacks hitters.

Nevermind, he's back to imploding at the slightest bit of pressure.
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:03 pm

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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:03 pm

First 4 innings I thought Carrasco had turned a corner. But no he's still good for 4+ runs in 5 innings for the opposition
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:05 pm

With Ogando and Wilson to come, this is a game we have to win.
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Unread postby FortheWin » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:07 pm

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Re: 6/2/11 Indians vs. Rangers. Beat the champs to be the ch

Unread postby Symbolic47 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:08 pm

Man that sure was ugly. Hopefully we got about 9 more runs in us for this one.
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Re: 6/2/11 Indians vs. Rangers. Beat the champs to be the ch

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:11 pm

FortheWin wrote:Who's warming up in the bullpen?

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