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by consigliere » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:28 pm
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by consigliere » Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:15 am
Pup wrote:Just got off the phone with comcast. They do not have the channel as of today and they do not know if they will be getting it or not. They are currently in negotiations for the channel.
This is bullshit. The Indians have me completely pissed off right now! It appears to me that they are asking the cable companies to overpay for the rights to this channel. To get this done, they are asking for the fans to call the cable companies and complain about not getting the channel. This channel will be putting more money into Larry "Cheap Ass" Dolan's pockets. Yet, he has not shown the fans that he will reinvest that money into the team. I think we would be better off calling the Indians and asking them to lower their asking price for the channel so we can all watch them instead of calling the cable companies.
This channel will be putting more money into Larry "Cheap Ass" Dolan's pockets. Yet, he has not shown the fans that he will reinvest that money into the team.
by consigliere » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:19 pm
by pup » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:29 pm
by consigliere » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:32 pm
SportsTime Ohio is available to a majority of cable subscribers in the Cleveland area. Those subscribers include all Time Warner Cable customers along with Adelphia, Buckeye CableSystem, BTC Multimedia, Doylestown Cable TV, City of Wadsworth, RTEC Communications and TSC Communications.
by consigliere » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:01 pm
Pup wrote:Consig. - It is great that they are resigning their core guys, but until I see Dolan pay to bring someone in that will be a difference maker, I am not impressed.
Again, they just seem to always come in 2nd when it comes to acquring players, and I think that is part of the plan. They have become very good at offering just enough to be able to tell the fans they tried, but not bringing anyone in.
The only reason they sign Peralta, Lee, Sizemore, and Victor to these deals is they don't have the choice. They will all be priced under what they would get from arbritration when it comes time.
And once you get close enough to arbritation, there is no reason for the player to sign long term ,so you get it done now. We all know that very few, if any, of these guys will be here past their current deals, which is sad.
by consigliere » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:06 pm
by pup » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:43 pm
Consigliere wrote:I've heard this argument many times, and it is total BS. Sorry, but you are giving the Indians WAY too much credit for being that smart to know the exact amount to make a player teeter your offer with another team and for us to come in 2nd. Bottom line, we were in the final running for Thome and Ramirez, and lost out. We had guys like Nomar and Hoffman debating all day going back and forth on their decisions......this argument just doesn't fly with me. Not at all.
They do have a choice. They can hold out for arbitration. If Peralta and company continue to get better, they could command tons more in arby. But, players take the security and the owners take the risk they won't get hurt.
We'll see with the others, it is not likely we keep all of them when they become FAs in 5-6 years. That's a long time from now so I ain't sweating it. But, a high majority will leave, just as they have in the past
by consigliere » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:20 pm
by consigliere » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:00 am
Pup wrote:How is that too much credit? You don't think they have at least a pretty good idea of what other teams are going to offer, or have already offered? Would we be better with Nomar and Hoffman than Perez and Wickman? Absolutely. So pony up a couple more dollars and get it done. I am not looking for them to be in Carlos Beltran type signings. I consider Nomar and Hoffman in the Eddie Murray/Ellis Burks category.
Which is why you cannot pass on any oppurtunity to improve every off-season. They have a 5 year window for arguments sake.
They get the benefit of the doubt right now because of the job Shapiro has done loading this organization with talent, but with the talent on hand, they should have taken the chance to bring in some veteran talent to support what is here.
You are talking to one of the few people on this board who would take a World Series ring over a Super Bowl and that is why I am critical of the ownership.
by pup » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:21 am
but to have a continual flow of talent and stagger it so as players ripen and eventually fall of the tree and go elsewhere, new players take their place. It should no longer be looked at as a window, but a revolving door. At least we hope
by rigs » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:29 pm
by Steve Buffum » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:12 pm
RIGS wrote:agree 10000%. In our market, you have to overpay for a free agent, not overpay in a trade. Ball dropped...
by pup » Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:31 pm
by consigliere » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:30 pm
by pup » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:32 am
We don't know what amount it would have taken to get Hoffman, but I am sure there was a number. If we couldn't get to that number then so be it.
by Steve Buffum » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:08 am
Pup wrote:Bottom line is this team again has holes.
Pup wrote:The biggest being first base, where a guy like Scott Hatteberg, who signes a cheap one year deal with the Reds would be much better than Ben Brousard. Next would be right field, where Rondell White would have been a huge upgrade over Casey Blake. White signes a one year deal with the Twins instead.
by consigliere » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:37 am
Pup wrote:I think you are missing Rigs' point. We cannot go crazy and sign the top tier of free agents. What they can do though is overpay for the middle of the road players that are needed to fill in gaps. These middle of the road guys are what will make or break each season. Ronnie Belliard is a great example. He was not a huge signing, but they saw something they liked, went out and got him, and now he is an integral part of this team.Why would you overpay for average talent? In other words, let's go out and overpay for Joe Randa or Jacque Jones. No thanks.And Belliard is a poor example. We signed him as a FA to a one year $1.1M deal. That is a value signing, exactly what this team has done in the past going all the way back to the 90s....and what it must continue to do going forward.The history of FA signings for the Indians during the Dolan AND Jacob's campaign shows that the FAs we sign generally are value guys, guys we get at a discounted rate. Whether it be the player coming off a down season, a recent injury history, getting up there in age, or the hometown discount, we've always been a team that signed FAs to compliment the stars we grew in-house, and usually those FAs were signed at a bargain price.The biggest being first base, where a guy like Scott Hatteberg, who signes a cheap one year deal with the Reds would be much better than Ben Brousard.
I think you are missing Rigs' point. We cannot go crazy and sign the top tier of free agents. What they can do though is overpay for the middle of the road players that are needed to fill in gaps. These middle of the road guys are what will make or break each season. Ronnie Belliard is a great example. He was not a huge signing, but they saw something they liked, went out and got him, and now he is an integral part of this team.
The biggest being first base, where a guy like Scott Hatteberg, who signes a cheap one year deal with the Reds would be much better than Ben Brousard.
by pup » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:26 pm
by Steve Buffum » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:55 pm
Pup wrote:Scott Hatteberg is a much better player.
Pup wrote:Here are some numbers:Men in scoring position:Hatteberg .313 BABrousard .224 BAMan on 3rd, <2 outs:Hatteberg .280Brousard .174Men in scoring position, 2 outs:Hatteberg .289Brousard .250
by pup » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:54 pm
by Steve Buffum » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:00 pm
Pup wrote:Yes those numbers are pretty close to 3 year averages for each guy.
Pup wrote:I don't think Brousard's power is enough of a positive to offset his terrible plate discipline. Strikeouts kill innings. Walks prolong innings. Strikeouts build the confidence of opposing pitchers. Walks put pitchers into panic mode and get you into bullpens earlier.
by pup » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:00 pm
FWIW, I'd rather have Ben in the field than Scott as well.
by pup » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:08 pm
Nice discussion, BTW.
by swerb » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:36 am
by TatDawg » Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:52 pm
by Beanpot » Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:01 pm
TatDawg wrote:Five games into the season and I now can't watch STO with paying extra for the channel. WTF? Time for me to dump DirecTV. I am just fed up. The whole STO thing is just bullshit.
by swerb » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:56 pm
TatDawg wrote:Five games into the season and I now can't watch STO with paying extra for the channel. WTF? Time for me to dump DirecTV. I am just fed up. The whole STO thing is just bullshit. TatDawg
by TatDawg » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:43 pm
Just out of curiosity, how much extra are we talking about? Is the general consensus that this STO thing is a clusterfrag?
Tat, didn't DirectTV cut the deal with STO? They trying to shake you down for the $159 for the MLB package?
by consigliere » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:07 pm
DirecTV snafu irks Indians fans Monday, April 10, 2006Roger BrownPlain Dealer Columnist DirecTV was the last major out let to agree to carry Sports Time Ohio, the Indians' regional network, and the satellite TV provider is doing a poor job convincing folks it actually wants to carry STO. SportsTime Ohio President Jim Liberatore said both STO and DirecTV were swamped this past weekend with calls from numerous area DirecTV subscribers, angry because they could not see the Indians-Twins telecasts on Saturday and Sunday. Adding fuel to the anger of viewers: They received no warning from DirecTV that they would miss the scheduled games, just days after seeing two other Indians games aired by SportsTime Ohio. "I know we got hundreds of calls and I understand DirecTV got 2,000 or more," Liberatore said Sunday. He said DirecTV "is having some significant activation issues" as it tries to add STO to the programming list of every subscriber who should receive the network. "It hasn't been able to figure out what to do," Liberatore said of DirecTV. "This is clearly a DirecTV problem, but that makes it our problem, too. We're doing our best to get DirecTV to straighten everything out." DirecTV officials couldn't be reached for comment Sunday. DirecTV has several-hundred-thousand subscribers in Northern Ohio. And how ridiculous has the DirecTV mess become? One subscriber has received every Indians telecast so far, while a relative - a fellow subscriber living three blocks away and in the same zip code - couldn't see the games.
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