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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby cozmeesah » Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:44 pm

Here's some great news....

Grady's 2nd at bat in Gm. 1 in Toledo today for the Clippers? No doubt about it solo HR to RF in the top of the 3rd.

Also made a diving catch to end the 2nd inning before that.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:17 pm

cozmeesah wrote:Here's some great news....

Grady's 2nd at bat in Gm. 1 in Toledo today for the Clippers? No doubt about it solo HR to RF in the top of the 3rd.

Also made a diving catch to end the 2nd inning before that.


As so often happens

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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby cozmeesah » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:34 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
cozmeesah wrote:Here's some great news....

Grady's 2nd at bat in Gm. 1 in Toledo today for the Clippers? No doubt about it solo HR to RF in the top of the 3rd.

Also made a diving catch to end the 2nd inning before that.


As so often happens

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1031589/index.htm


Sort of. He didn't lead off the next inning as there was one out when he hit it. But still, same idea.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby pup » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:28 pm

Did I read somewhere Grady was going back to CF and Brantley to LF?
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:37 pm

pup wrote:Did I read somewhere Grady was going back to CF and Brantley to LF?


I read that too, but can't remember where. I do think what I read had it as conjecture. Was it Buff?
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby cozmeesah » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:28 pm

Not conjecture, Manny/Antonetti have said it. They discussed it with team doctors before deciding. Look at the latest Inbox on indians.com for Bastian's explanation. Center gives him more room to decelerate. Not as much abrupt stopping by the side wall
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:45 pm

cozmeesah wrote:Not conjecture, Manny/Antonetti have said it. They discussed it with team doctors before deciding. Look at the latest Inbox on indians.com for Bastian's explanation. Center gives him more room to decelerate. Not as much abrupt stopping by the side wall


Yeah, I do remember that now.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby 1Perry » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:47 am

As far as Sizemore balking about hitting 9th, Vizquel was willing to do it. Yes, it was a different team and all but he was still willing to bat 9th. This was also at a time that he was hitting at his peak averages. I don't know that he would have a problem with it though.

Like others have noted, I'd feel better if he had a month in Columbus. IMO 7th or 9th is where to start him off in the order.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby TonyIPI » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:51 pm

I'd be surprised if Sizemore is not hitting 7th or 8th when he comes back. No sense to mess with the top 6 in the lineup right now as they are doing just fine. Not a fan of Sizemore 6th right after Hafner 5th, so I keep O-Cab at 6 and insert Sizemore 7th and slide LaPorta to 8th. Pretty sure this is how it goes. Now, once Sizemore comes back and if he re-establishes himself, it will be an interesting decision with what they do with him.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby Prosecutor » Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:11 pm

What about batting Grady 6th and dropping Santana?

Carlos was brought up in June of last year and from June 11- June 30 he hit .345.

Since then he is 27-for-113 for an average of .203. That's right, take away his first three weeks and he's hitting .203 against major league pitching. So far this year he's at .209. No way he should be hitting 4th right now. His swing is too long and he's trying to pull everything. They're toying with him right now.

I might go with:

1. Brantley
2. Droobs
3. Choo
4. Pronk
5. O. Cabrera
6. Grady
7. Santana
8. LaPorta
9. Hannahan/Everitt

I'm not too crazy about hitting three lefties in a row at 3-4-5, but I can't justify batting either Santana or Grady at 3 or 4 right now ahead of Choo and Hafner. I would also play Marson a little more as long as he's swinging a hot bat and Santana is cold.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby swerb » Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:21 pm

Hafner should be moved to cleanup, regardless of what they do w Grady. He's clearly the teams best power bat right now. He looks outstanding.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:25 pm

^^^I think lefties at 3-4-5 is a worse scenario than having either Sizemore or Santana at the top of the lineup, despite Santana's struggles and Grady's...whatever reason we have for keeping him at the bottom of the lineup.

I'm not saying I'm opposed to dropping Santana, I'm just not very enthusiastic about that lineup.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:11 am

TonyIPI wrote:I'd be surprised if Sizemore is not hitting 7th or 8th when he comes back. No sense to mess with the top 6 in the lineup right now as they are doing just fine. Not a fan of Sizemore 6th right after Hafner 5th, so I keep O-Cab at 6 and insert Sizemore 7th and slide LaPorta to 8th. Pretty sure this is how it goes. Now, once Sizemore comes back and if he re-establishes himself, it will be an interesting decision with what they do with him.


Hopefully the way it goes is like this, meaning In a perfect world everybody stays healthy, Hafner is back, and Laporta continues to perform and gets better. With Laporta progressing you can switch his and Cabrera's spots in the lineup, I would imagine people want Sizemore behind Hafner instead of Cabrera because lets face it Sizemore is a far more dynamic offensive player with more power but you dont want the back to back lefties. LaPorta becomeing a legitimate power hitter negates this problem and then you have a right hander between the two lefties.

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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:17 am

CF and leadoff is allegedly where he's going.

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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:29 am

peeker643 wrote:CF and leadoff is allegedly where he's going.

Just sayin'...


Man, if the Tribe levels off a bit, whether it's due to this change or not, it's going to be all aboard the apeshit train.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby 1Perry » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:08 am

I have no idea why they want to mess with things now. Fingers crossed that it all works out. It's a huge risk with little upside at this point.

If Grady hits well at #1, things stay the same. If they put him at #9 for a while which most would understand, and he hits well, the team is incredibly hard to beat.

As noted, if he struggles, things will get ugly.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:26 am

1Perry wrote:I have no idea why they want to mess with things now. Fingers crossed that it all works out. It's a huge risk with little upside at this point.

If Grady hits well at #1, things stay the same. If they put him at #9 for a while which most would understand, and he hits well, the team is incredibly hard to beat.

As noted, if he struggles, things will get ugly.


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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:03 pm

leadpipe wrote:
peeker643 wrote:CF and leadoff is allegedly where he's going.

Just sayin'...


Man, if the Tribe levels off a bit, whether it's due to this change or not, it's going to be all aboard the apeshit train.



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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby 7foot3 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:15 pm

1Perry wrote:I have no idea why they want to mess with things now. Fingers crossed that it all works out. It's a huge risk with little upside at this point.

If Grady hits well at #1, things stay the same. If they put him at #9 for a while which most would understand, and he hits well, the team is incredibly hard to beat.

As noted, if he struggles, things will get ugly.


Even if Grady hits well, this team isn't going to continue to play +.700 ball. Right now this team is 5th in the AL in OPS, but 3rd in runs scored because of some great hitting with RISP. The offense is pretty good, but it's not so good that we can outright refuse to make any changes. When that .327 BA w/ RISP drops to a more normal level, we're going to see the offense drop, and hopefully people don't blame this move.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby 1Perry » Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:25 pm

leadpipe wrote:
1Perry wrote:I have no idea why they want to mess with things now. Fingers crossed that it all works out. It's a huge risk with little upside at this point.

If Grady hits well at #1, things stay the same. If they put him at #9 for a while which most would understand, and he hits well, the team is incredibly hard to beat.

As noted, if he struggles, things will get ugly.


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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:02 pm

7foot3 wrote:When that .327 BA w/ RISP drops to a more normal level, we're going to see the offense drop, and hopefully people don't blame this move.


This is funny.

Either because you fully know that there will be a vocal minority here who will think nothing other than moving Grady to the 1-hole was the problem or because you're not.

Suffice it to say there will be blood either way because you're right about reverting to mean and because others will never understand temperance, variance or baseball.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:11 pm

Suffice it to say there will be blood either way because you're right about reverting to mean and because others will never understand temperance, variance or baseball.


I agree...I don't think it's that bad here on this forum, but that's me.

I can also see the side of the arguement that says, if there was ever a good time to try Grady OUT of the leadoff, nows a good time too....since you don't lose anything at the leadoff position....

Sometimes people just need help seeing the other side......eh, no big deal.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby TonyIPI » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:41 pm

Balls move by Indians to insert Grady right back into the leadoff spot and toy with messing with chemistry and good karma and early going. Will be interesting to see how it works out. One thing not discussed is how Brantley sliding to 7th may be smart and create that Lofton-like thing back in 2007 with the second leadoff guy late in the lineup. Just saying.
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Re: Lineup when Sizemore comes back?

Unread postby 7foot3 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:39 pm

TonyIPI wrote:Balls move by Indians to insert Grady right back into the leadoff spot and toy with messing with chemistry and good karma and early going. Will be interesting to see how it works out. One thing not discussed is how Brantley sliding to 7th may be smart and create that Lofton-like thing back in 2007 with the second leadoff guy late in the lineup. Just saying.



Completely disagree. Even if there was reason to have even the slightest hysteria over the lineup, inserting what you consider to be your best offensive player at the top of the lineup is not a "balls move". Now, we can debate to no end how healthy Sizemore actually is, but none of us can be truly certain. If the team trusts the doctors evaluation that Sizemore can play, then Acta should be putting him at the top of the lineup until it is demonstrated that he isn't the same player. And a second leadoff guy? This isn't little league where you have to keep everyone's spirit up.
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