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Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:11 pm

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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby redneckofsc » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:05 pm

Wedge is a loser. It made me sick to my stomach to see his face last night every time they showed him on camera. I hope him and The Game have a long season together.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby WarAdmiral » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:21 pm

I always tried to stay away from the fire "Mr. Grinder" talk, during his last few years here, but man I am so glad they have him and we don't. I don't see much success in his future as HMIC there. This little tit tat is a perfect example of why. This stuff should never be known about. Licked, pressed and sealed in the clubhouse, and that should of been it's course.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:25 pm

Wedge didn't anything wrong IMO. It's on Wilson for pulling himself and then saying Wedge pulled him.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:53 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Wedge didn't anything wrong IMO. It's on Wilson for pulling himself and then saying Wedge pulled him.


I'm with CDT. Jack Wilson make $5 mil per. Go out there, play hard, and STFU.

Wedge tried to cover for him.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby swerb » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:54 pm

redneckofsc wrote:Wedge is a loser. It made me sick to my stomach to see his face last night every time they showed him on camera. I hope him and The Game have a long season together.

No kidding. Made last nights game enjoyable on so many levels. The win, the 10 run inning, the QS from Carlos ... and then constant reminders that idiot Wedge is no longer ours with all the shots of him twitching away in the Mariner dugout.

He won't make it till the end of next season there.

Still cannot believe that idiot got rehired. It defies logic and speaks to what a shit org the Mariners are.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:59 pm

swerb wrote:
redneckofsc wrote:Wedge is a loser. It made me sick to my stomach to see his face last night every time they showed him on camera. I hope him and The Game have a long season together.

No kidding. Made last nights game enjoyable on so many levels. The win, the 10 run inning, the QS from Carlos ... and then constant reminders that idiot Wedge is no longer ours with all the shots of him twitching away in the Mariner dugout.

He won't make it till the end of next season there.

Still cannot believe that idiot got rehired. It defies logic and speaks to what a shit org the Mariners are.


Don't beat around the bush Swerb. What do you think of Wedge?
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby swerb » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:05 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
swerb wrote:
redneckofsc wrote:Wedge is a loser. It made me sick to my stomach to see his face last night every time they showed him on camera. I hope him and The Game have a long season together.

No kidding. Made last nights game enjoyable on so many levels. The win, the 10 run inning, the QS from Carlos ... and then constant reminders that idiot Wedge is no longer ours with all the shots of him twitching away in the Mariner dugout.

He won't make it till the end of next season there.

Still cannot believe that idiot got rehired. It defies logic and speaks to what a shit org the Mariners are.


Don't beat around the bush Swerb. What do you think of Wedge?

Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall inside the meeting of Mariner execs laying out the case to hire Wedge. Would have been like a Saturday Night Live skit.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:32 pm

Actually, ECK alerted me to the situation about 3 weeks ago. Wilson's been a SS, wants to be a SS, and heres comes Wedge.... (mooning)

It was great to hand Wedgie a big dump during their home opener with a full stadium..... :lmfao:

I'm thinking we should glomm all our wedgie sucks posts together and get ready to send them to a Mariners forum, save them some typin time...
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:54 pm

redneckofsc wrote:
Wedge is a loser. It made me sick to my stomach to see his face last night every time they showed him on camera. I hope him and The Game have a long season together.
No kidding. Made last nights game enjoyable on so many levels. The win, the 10 run inning, the QS from Carlos ... and then constant reminders that idiot Wedge is no longer ours with all the shots of him twitching away in the Mariner dugout.

He won't make it till the end of next season there.

Still cannot believe that idiot got rehired. It defies logic and speaks to what a shit org the Mariners are.


I'm just surprised he hasn't benched King Felix yet for a washed up 15 year veteran who "plays the game the right way." The Wilson episode aside (Wilson is actually being a bitch in that one), it was really satisfying to see the beginning of him going to 60 win territory with someone else. Like seeing a happily departed ex-girlfriend torture a new guy or something. Maybe I should be more angry at Shapiro and Dolan for retaining him but I just thought his low standard ho-hum attitude epitomized everything that was wrong with the organization.

And this has been covered ad nauseam but it's so funny that "play the right way" and "even keel" were his mantras. He couldn't handle anyone with a personality, put out horrid fundamental baseball every season, and had his few contending teams submarined by long losing streaks. After he was fired here (or even before), any debate of Eric Wedge's managerial acumen by a major league franchise should have ended with the following trump card: "Ramon Vazquez."
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Brook » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:55 pm

Wilson makes a grip of money and hits like a pitcher. If Wedge wanted to move him to pitcher Wilson should have kept his mouth shut. Been on the team for less than 2 seasons and is making good money and sucks at hitting. Shut your mouth and play. Good work Wedge, the team ran the last manager off and Wedge isn't going to let that happen to him.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby redneckofsc » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:22 pm

Aside from having The Game, I find it ironic he is reunited with Frankling Gutierrez. And I saw yesterday where they called up Cris Gimenez.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby swerb » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:39 pm

And the Wedge Porn Stache is in full blossom this year as well.

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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby redneckofsc » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:29 pm

How much longer before Peeker gets in here and defends his home boy?
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:29 pm

redneckofsc wrote:How much longer before Peeker gets in here and defends his home boy?


I don't care about Eric Wedge one way or the other 'Neck.

I do find it funny that the thread is the result of a tired old grinder like the estimable Jack Wilson being moved for a kid that can play the position better.

Ironic even. Flat-out fucking side splitting as a matter of fact.

Some people are fixated on the man. Is what it is. He didn't matter anymore here than he will there. Just like an Eric Wedge thread comes about when you can't bitch about the guy in your own dugout during a five game heater.

And when your org is signing guys like Wilson for $5m and trading for guys like Bradley and his $10m deal you have bigger problems than the cat taking the lineup card out each night and then dozing for nine innings.

Like your lineup card for instance.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:42 pm

Someone should tell Wilson not to worry, the youngster at SS will have a bad day or two, slump alittle with the bat, as all players do, and wedgie will begin the musical lineup.....probably put Wilson back at SS, the kid to the minors, move Itchiro to left, Franky at 1st, you know.....

It's early yet,... :pop:
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:47 pm

The Tribe Zone wrote:Someone should tell Wilson not to worry, the youngster at SS will have a bad day or two, slump alittle with the bat, as all players do, and wedgie will begin the musical lineup.....probably put Wilson back at SS, the kid to the minors, move Itchiro to left, Franky at 1st, you know.....

It's early yet,... :pop:


Someone should tell Wilson that if you ask to get taken out of a game and the manager covers for you, then you should shut your mouth!

Wedge has a lot of faults but this incident isn't one of them.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Brook » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:54 pm

Hamilton just said that Brenden Ryan ran onto the field during pregame introductions yesterday with a handheld camera and Eric Wedge wouldn't shake his hand until he put it in his pocket. Hamilton ripping Ryan for thinking that was OK.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby leadpipe » Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:57 pm

This ain't Jack Wilson's first problem. He was on the douchebag list with many of his ex-Pirate mates as well. Especially a few pitchers that weren't thrilled with his effort. Carries himself like he matters is the word around the campfire.

Anyway, good to see the Wedge talk firing back up. Let's understand he'll have no success there - like the guy before him.....and the next guy in. And Manny Acta had no success in Washington, like the guy before him.....and the next guy in. And while people distribute hand-jobs to Acta for a suicide squeeze, they must fail to remember the first half of last season in which the team was worse fundamentally than a Wedge squad ever was. And he made no difference.

A manager ain't turning any ship around. Cats that can PLAY will and do. And the proof is found simply by looking at the history of the game, wire to wire.

What all-time great manager do you give the Mariners that turns them into a winner? Give the greatest manger of all time the Yanks and he wins, give em' the expansion Mets and he's worst ever. Give a great modern manager the Yanks and he wins, give em' the Braves or the team in flux cause of an ownership divorce, and he loses. This is the cyle over and over....and over again.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:39 pm

I just want to say that it's so awesome reading about how people think that Seattle isn't good because of Eric Wedge.



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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:41 pm

Naaa...I will never buy the managers don't make a difference post, no matter how many times its posted....

And I don't know any manager, after giving Garko practice in the outfield, would say, Yeah...he looks pretty good out there, lets put him in...... other than Wedge....
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:41 pm

Seattle is the suicide capitol of the world, right?

It also appears to be the place where former Tribe managers go, right?

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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:45 pm

The Tribe Zone wrote:Naaa...I will never buy the managers don't make a difference post, no matter how many times its posted....

And I don't know any manager, after giving Garko practice in the outfield, would say, Yeah...he looks pretty good out there, lets put him in...... other than Wedge....


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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby leadpipe » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:13 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
The Tribe Zone wrote:Naaa...I will never buy the managers don't make a difference post, no matter how many times its posted....

And I don't know any manager, after giving Garko practice in the outfield, would say, Yeah...he looks pretty good out there, lets put him in...... other than Wedge....


Mistakes were made.


Waht about another Seattle/Cleveland connection.

Grover was a good manager here, than all the good players left...and he wasn't.

On to a bad Seattle team where he couldn't win, however, dollars to doughnuts had he been there with a healthy Griff in his prime, Edgar G. and the Unit, he's a won as many games as Sweet Lou....who incidentally won with teams that had good players, and lost with those who didn't......an on..... and on....

Again - throw the guy at me that'll turn Seattle around with his butt slaps and atta boys from the dugout? Will it change things if he hits the fungoes himself or changes his pace on the way out to the mound.

A really good manager can help a bit, a lousy one can hurt a bit, but there's so many more things going on out there that make wwaaaaayyyyy more of a difference than a 162 game chaperone.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:43 pm

leadpipe wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
The Tribe Zone wrote:Naaa...I will never buy the managers don't make a difference post, no matter how many times its posted....

And I don't know any manager, after giving Garko practice in the outfield, would say, Yeah...he looks pretty good out there, lets put him in...... other than Wedge....


Mistakes were made.


Waht about another Seattle/Cleveland connection.

Grover was a good manager here, than all the good players left...and he wasn't.

On to a bad Seattle team where he couldn't win, however, dollars to doughnuts had he been there with a healthy Griff in his prime, Edgar G. and the Unit, he's a won as many games as Sweet Lou....who incidentally won with teams that had good players, and lost with those who didn't......an on..... and on....

Again - throw the guy at me that'll turn Seattle around with his butt slaps and atta boys from the dugout? Will it change things if he hits the fungoes himself or changes his pace on the way out to the mound.

A really good manager can help a bit, a lousy one can hurt a bit, but there's so many more things going on out there that make wwaaaaayyyyy more of a difference than a 162 game chaperone.


No way. You're looking at this all wrong. You must always start with this: "Shapiro is always wrong". Go from there. If you do then there is no other conclusion to be made other than "Seattle would be in the playoffs if not for Wedge."

Think of all the rings we would have had here in Cleveland. It's depressing.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:52 am

With the team he has in place there, Wedge will be as successful as Acta has been with the Tribe the last two years.

You don't think there are folks on the Nats boards that feel the same way about him as some of you do about Wedge?

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Unread postby Jumbo » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:16 am

WiscTribeFan wrote:With the team he has in place there, Wedge will be as successful as Acta has been with the Tribe the last two years.


No kidding. That team is on track for another 100 loss season, although Pineda may compete for ROY and a 14-11 King Felix for the Cy.

Of course, with the way the Yankees and Red Sox rotations have struggled, you have to wonder if they'll both start offering the farm for Felix.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

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WiscTribeFan wrote:With the team he has in place there, Wedge will be as successful as Acta has been with the Tribe the last two years.

You don't think there are folks on the Nats boards that feel the same way about him as some of you do about Wedge?

Let it go, boys. Let it go.


Some aren't happy unless they're miserable. This has been established here. There is nothing to complain about in terms of how fucked up the Indians are this week.

So we turn back the clock and complain about who we hated when....

No actual questions will be answered. There is no interest in discussing the Mariners roster and the fact Jack Wilson is on it in the first place and that Milton Bradley is their $10m run-producing threat.

Many of them are the same people who told me about the benefits in attendance that having Sandy Alomar stand at 1B and collect gloves and pads would have. If you don't remember Sandy you'll be able to pick him out Friday when the team returns. It's easy against the solid green back drop of empty seats.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:22 pm

1) Jack Wilson's career games played at SS before this season = 1,220. Jack Wilson's career games played at 2B before this season = 0. Orlando Cabrera's career games played at SS before this season = 1,804. Orlando Cabrera's career games played at 2B before this season = 33. Orlando Cabrera's career games played at 2B this century before Opening Day 2011 = 1, and for all of three innings.

So how is Wedge the idiot for Jack Wilson playing 2B (or not playing it, as it turns out) when the Indians are doing pretty much the same thing?

2) Jack Wilson wasn't replaced by a young up-and-coming stud. He was replaced by a POS 29-year-old SS who hit .223 with a SLG below .300 last season. Brendan Ryan's career batting ratios are .257/.313/.341. Jack Wilson's numbers are .267/.309/.372. They have almost identical career fielding percentages. So Jack Wilson wasn't replaced by a better player. He was replaced by himself. Most likely he thinks he was replaced by a POS player, because anyone who looks at Brendan Ryan knows immediately he is looking at a POS player. What Jack Wilson doesn't realize is that he himself is a POS player. He looks at Brendan Ryan and thinks he has lost his job -- a position he has played for 1,220 games (albeit mostly for the most piss-poor team in baseball the last two decades) -- to a worse player and gets mad. Thing is, Brendan Ryan isn't worse. He's equally crappy.

Jack Wilson knows no better because he thought he was King Shit as one of the Pittsburgh Pirates' highest-paid players. A GM giving Jack Wilson a few million to play SS for the Pirates doesn't make Jack Wilson good, it makes a GM an idiot.

Orlando Cabrera has come from a line of winners. He knows his place in the baseball world because he has been surrounded by pretty good players for the past decade. Meanwhile, Jack Wilson actually thought he was one of the best players for the past decade. Instead, he's like the hot girl from Omaha who goes to LA and winds up in porn.

3) Apparently Wedge is not a racist anymore since Jack Wilson is white.

4) This is the first year a Manny Acta team has been over .500 after six games. Don't build a statue of him just yet.

5) Yes, I am glad Wedge is gone. That time was past. He looks like he should be wearing a Civil War uniform, not a baseball uniform. But both Manny Acta and leadpipe have said it, and I agree with it -- players win, not managers. Seattle will not win with jokes like Brendan Ryan, Jack Wilson, Miguel Olivo, and Michael Saunders playing up the middle. Their combined career OBP is under .310. They will not win sending Ryan Langerhans and his career .228 average up to the plate in the 9th inning as the a pinch-hitter. Whoever put that team together should be fired. And Felix Hernandez should walk off the mound every inning with his middle finger raised to the rest of his team.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:35 pm

Think of all the rings we would have had here in Cleveland. It's depressing.


Think of all the seasons, right from the start we didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting anywhere near the rings...

Some aren't happy unless they're miserable. This has been established here. There is nothing to complain about in terms of how fucked up the Indians are this week.

I don't see many complaining here, quite the opposite, we're all thrilled. And some love to complain how others complain.....not sure the point here,other than because it's moot?

Or did I click somehow into the Good Humor. Com Forum???

I think we've seen enough of Acta to note there is subtle differences between him and Wedgehole...

I think Gardenhire always manages in having the team that is notoriously labeled a 'speedy, defensive, fundamental' team and Wedges teams could never ever 'sniff' this label. Different managers, different styles of teams, different definitions of 'contending teams'....

I don't think Sweet Lou was considered a great manager. Very Entertaining maybe, outspoken...I liked Lou for entertainment value, if nothing else...was Fan Appeal part of Lou's success and Wedgies downfall? Wonder why?????

I don't think Yankee's hold any value in this discussion....You or I could probably manage them....Picking the worse team in baseball doesn't work either.

Never considered Grover a great manager.

To me, it's not an argueable discussion, it's opinion, and either you see it or you don't.

When we can define what a managers role/job is, then we're getting somewhere.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:42 pm

GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:Meanwhile, Jack Wilson actually thought he was one of the best players for the past decade. Instead, he's like the hot girl from Omaha who goes to LA and winds up in porn.



Very nice post overall. But this quote is particularly well done. :thumb up:
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:47 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:Meanwhile, Jack Wilson actually thought he was one of the best players for the past decade. Instead, he's like the hot girl from Omaha who goes to LA and winds up in porn.



Very nice post overall. But this quote is particularly well done. :thumb up:


Yeah - quote of the year thus far on TCF.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:39 pm

The Tribe Zone wrote:I don't see many complaining here, quite the opposite, we're all thrilled. And some love to complain how others complain.....not sure the point here,other than because it's moot?

Or did I click somehow into the Good Humor. Com Forum???


Dude- you started the thread to get exactly what you've gotten. That plays right into the hands of people with an agenda like you have of discussing a guy that's not here any longer and doesn't make a bit of difference whatsoever to TCF.

Tickle someone else's ass with a feather and then hide behind 'complaining about complaining'. It's just weak Mike.

Or don't. It's fine with me. But if you run the same boring shit about the flag pole and beg people to look at you then don't be bitter about what they see and say.

If ya started the thread because of an agenda you got called on it. If you started the thread to have people comment or post their opinions then you got that.

There's no issue based rationale for it. You and others won't even comment on the fact that Wilson being moved is the right move and that you were bent when he didn't make the move here with BP years before. Best player plays SS (regardless of how relative that may be).

IMO it's hypocritical and I said that in my initial response in the thread. Actual issue based reasoning that you choose to ignore for the complain 'bout complaining' straw man.

You got skills brotha- start a I still Hate Wedge.com site and have a blast. ;-) ;) :wink:

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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby hermanfontenot » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:40 pm

Wedge just got the wrong Jack Wilson on his roster.

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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Brook » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:55 pm

FUDU wrote:Seattle is the suicide capitol of the world, right?

It also appears to be the place where former Tribe managers go, right?

Just sayin.



Not sure about the world, but for USA Las Vegas is #1 and its not even close. Seattle tied for 27th in 2009 (they actually tied with Cleveland). Its just a huge myth that Seattle is the biggest suicide city (probably because there have been well known people from Seattle that commited suicide and it rains a ton), they have never been in the top 10 for total suicides or suicide rate for any single year.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:09 pm

Dude- you started the thread to get exactly what you've gotten.


I didn't even bother reading the rest of your gack......eh, maybe later. I could probably guess...

I posted it because it headlined a news feed...

feh...


So what it is, "Lets do everything, youuuuuu wanna do" now???

Or, do you fail to see where or how discussions can go?

Like Defining a managers job?

Impress us all.....give it a shot.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:19 pm

The Tribe Zone wrote:So what it is, "Lets do everything, youuuuuu wanna do" now???

Or, do you fail to see where or how discussions can go?

Like Defining a managers job?

Impress us all.....give it a shot.


I have no idea what you're saying or what you're asking Mike. I know you believe yourself to be clever and funny but most fail to catch it. Probably us being dumb and not in any way possible you're just neither clever or funny.

Anyway, my best guess is that determining which way the discussion will go or what defines a manager's job is probably contained in the 400 threads that have discussed it all in the past. Just type in your username and look through all of those you've started or contributed to and see where they lead.

The 400 that existed before are likely a decent enough indication of where the latest will go. Because (and I understand this is difficult for you to come to terms with) the fact the thread is yours and that you've commented in it, well, that just doesn't shine all that much light on anything.

You don't need me to impress you Mike. There's no one here that can do that anywhere near as well as you do it yourself.

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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:25 pm

Anyway, my best guess is that determining which way the discussion will go or what defines a manager's job is probably contained in the 400 threads that have discussed it all in the past.


I would say if it is, your definitely smart enough to find it...

But let me save you the trouble...

It isn't there.

Apparently we'd much rather attack each other, when our brains can't keep up..
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:35 pm

You got skills brotha- start a I still Hate Wedge.com site and have a blast.


I read the rest of your gack, SOS, Peek..

I could say start a I will always love Wedge.com and spend the rest of your days attacking people...

Would you then call me Mr. Kettle, or Mr. Black?

I'm not running from it bro, get past it, or not, I'm throwing high and tight back at you...... :thumb up:
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:43 pm

The Tribe Zone wrote:Apparently we'd much rather attack each other, when our brains can't keep up..


Fair enough...

Suffice it to say that I'm of the belief that 85-95% of what a manager needs to do is done or not done before the game starts.

I'm not being obtuse or vague but I clearly believe that a manager's job responsibilities are way more related to managing personalities than removing a pitcher or calling for a hit and run. Especially in the American league.

I don't know if you want specific examples of that 85-95% or not but if you've managed people at work or on a job you have a basic understanding. You need to be an advocate of those you manage, you need to be a lightning rod to absorb criticism directed at them, you need to set clear expectations and have the ability to elevate the performance of some who aren't meeting those expectations while managing those who fail to meet them multiple times out of your organization.

Most of your work is done before the game is ever played. That's a start.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:51 pm

peeker643 wrote:
The Tribe Zone wrote:Apparently we'd much rather attack each other, when our brains can't keep up..


Fair enough...

Suffice it to say that I'm of the belief that 85-95% of what a manager needs to do is done or not done before the game starts.

I'm not being obtuse or vague but I clearly believe that a manager's job responsibilities are way more related to managing personalities than removing a pitcher or calling for a hit and run. Especially in the American league.

I don't know if you want specific examples of that 85-95% or not but if you've managed people at work or on a job you have a basic understanding. You need to be an advocate of those you manage, you need to be a lightning rod to absorb criticism directed at them, you need to set clear expectations and have the ability to elevate the performance of some who aren't meeting those expectations while managing those who fail to meet them multiple times out of your organization.

Most of your work is done before the game is ever played. That's a start.


Thank You sir.

I will try to explain my end....when time permits, I'll be back.

My whole line of reasoning has been, if we can't define a managers job, then we are not experts, and it's strictly matter of opinion.


I don't care what anyones opinion is, we all see it differently.

Now...if we can define a managers job, maybe we can get past the bickering, and we'll all be better for it.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:07 pm

Guess who's playing SS today for the M's?

An even bigger stiff than Jack Wilson and Brendan Ryan. Luis Rodriguez, who has a career .243/.316/.323 AVG/OBP/SLG. When they invented the term utility infielder they had this guy in mind.

Here is the M's batting order, with position and career OBP listed. Looks like Chris Gimenez's check to Wedge cleared:

Ichiro 9 .376
Figgins 5 .358
Kennedy 4 .330
Cust DH .377
Smoak 3 .312
Langerhans 8 .333
Rodriguez 6 .316
Saunders 7 .281
Gimenez 2 .267
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby The Tribe Zone » Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:05 am

As crappy as the list is, I think it's more than I've seen anywhere. Many of these I took from articles on the net.

DUTIES
1)Plans and directs coaches with player training including conditioning (during season, ST)
2)Assesses player skills and assigns positions
3)Evaluates own and opposition team capabilities to determine game strategies
4)Participates in discussions with other teams concerning player trades
5)Constructs The Starting Lineup
6)Evaluates bench strengths and weaknesses
7)Executes 'in game' strategies offense and defense
8)Keep players focused and sharp (includes pitching)
9)Assist players to achieve goals
10)Adhesion to player contracts
11)Spokeman for the team (media,fans, functions, promos)
12)Maintain positive clubhouse team atmosphere( dicipline actions, etc)

Anyone cares to add (or subtract), post it and I will add it.

#9 always pissed me off. Kind of surprised with all the youngsters and talk of developement no ROY...I dunno, you'd think we'd get like 1 maybe. But it's not something so big I would hang on.

This is. I wasn't impressed when Lee was pitching a nice game into the 8th, alittle high on the pitch count, and his thunder was stolen by not letting him go the 9th. You just don't do that.

I don't know Wilson at all. Is he a hothead? But I'm always willing to give a player 3 strikes, and that's 1. Like I said, give it time, he'll be back in the lineup, somewhere, if he shuts his mouth...
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby Eckersley » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:12 pm

Count me as 1 who is extremely pleased that Wedge is now with another team.

I :lmfao: when many posters (not many on this board) stated that Wedge would make a good replacement for Bobby Cox in Atlanta. They didn't waste their time or even throw him a bone for an interview.

The only ones to hire a loser like Wedge would be a losing org. like the M's or his best buddy Shapiro. Wedge would still be in Cleveland if Shapiro had his way. That tells me that we have more problems in Cleveland as Shapiro was more interested in keeping his buddy on the payroll than hiring somebody who knew what he was doing.

I agree with Swerb...Wedge will be pink slipped before his current contract is up, but by then, every catcher on their roster will have played multiple positions, so they have that going for them.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:56 pm

Eckersley wrote:I :lmfao: when many posters (not many on this board) stated that Wedge would make a good replacement for Bobby Cox in Atlanta. They didn't waste their time or even throw him a bone for an interview.

The only ones to hire a loser like Wedge would be a losing org. like the M's...


They won me a sweatshirt though. I heart the M's. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:14 pm

It's amazing how many people really hate Wedge. He must have shit on their doorstep or something.
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby redneckofsc » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:39 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Eckersley wrote:I :lmfao: when many posters (not many on this board) stated that Wedge would make a good replacement for Bobby Cox in Atlanta. They didn't waste their time or even throw him a bone for an interview.

The only ones to hire a loser like Wedge would be a losing org. like the M's...


They won me a sweatshirt though. I heart the M's. ;-) ;) :wink:



1) It was a hoodie, not a sweatshirt.

2) Didnt you win it for the Indians firing him, not the M's hiring him?
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:43 pm

I can't keep up with all the shit I've won here 'Neck. Hoodies, sweatshirts, cash from the college football pick 'em contest....

You find a good table to play and that's where you sit and catch a few cards.

I think TCBinaFlash still needs to buy/donate a couple Tribe tix for a Ben Francisco wager he made. But like I said, it's too hard to keep up with.

The cash is easier. I have no idea how many hoodies are in that closet and who they were from. Except yours. It's under glass and on the wall. Waiting for you to get up here so you can sign it.

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peeker643 wrote:
Eckersley wrote:I :lmfao: when many posters (not many on this board) stated that Wedge would make a good replacement for Bobby Cox in Atlanta. They didn't waste their time or even throw him a bone for an interview.

The only ones to hire a loser like Wedge would be a losing org. like the M's...


They won me a sweatshirt though. I heart the M's. ;-) ;) :wink:



1) It was a hoodie, not a sweatshirt.

2) Didnt you win it for the Indians firing him, not the M's hiring him?
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Re: Wedge - Jack Wilson Feuding

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:04 pm

Eric Wedge put six guys in the lineup with career .334 OBP or lower, then ripped them after they were shutout today.

His rant to the media afterwards make him sound like a crazy person. His quotes are quite comical.
"You're doing the work, but ultimately you've got to take it into the game,'' he said. "I want them to have the mindset that's aggressive and such to where we're up there ready for anything. Anything and everything. Whether it be at home plate or out in the field or wherever it may be.

"I don't want to be in-between. In-between doesn't win ballgames.''


"I don't think we've been in it for a little while in regard to what I've been seeing,'' he said. "We've done an OK job of getting runners on base. But we're leaving about eight to 10 on when we do that. You've got to finish off ABs. You've got to finish off innings.''

He added that: "We've got to stick together on this. But we just didn't play good baseball at all today. That's what (ticks) me off more than anything. We just didn't play very good baseball.''


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Unread postby redneckofsc » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:15 am

Everytime I see something about this loser, it makes me even more happy Shapiro fired his ass.
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