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Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:25 am

Is quickly becoming my favorite prospect in quite some time. Possibly since Trevor Crowe.

MLB had a nice story on him:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... Id=rss_mlb

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Unread postby gotribe31 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:09 am

If you maintain the consistency of the last three drafts and combine that with the front office's proven ability to target young talent in trades...well, now we're cooking with gas.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:37 am

Guy should be the 3rd starter on the major league team when they break camp.

When does that statement get made with actual sincerity in it?

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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby gotribe31 » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:52 am

peeker643 wrote:Guy should be the 3rd starter on the major league team when they break camp.

When does that statement get made with actual sincerity in it?

:hide: :hide: :nanner:


The next time he records a strikeout. Doesn't matter, Wedge would ruin him anyway.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby TonyIPI » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:13 pm

motherscratcher wrote:Is quickly becoming my favorite prospect in quite some time. Possibly since Trevor Crowe.

MLB had a nice story on him:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... Id=rss_mlb

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Going to be interesting to see what he really does this year. Hopefully he pans out as the Indians finally had a top five pick for the first time since I believe Shuey in 1992 or 1993 off the top of my head. No doubt he has the goods....but as with anyone health and development will be the key.

Amazing when you think of it he has yet to throw a true professional pitch. Yes, he has pitched in Instructional League and Spring Training, but the guy has not yet made a pitch when the stats have counted. Looks like a guy who could factor into things mid-late next year if everything goes right.

I've talked to him a few times already, and I know his representation....he's interesting as he is not a "fun" personality like say Kipnis is, but he has a great head on his shoulders and seems to have the right people around him. Talking with people inside and outside the org, there is no doubt that there is a belief he could be a good major league pitcher. How good he is, well that is to be determined.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby Jumbo » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:06 pm

peeker643 wrote:Guy should be the 3rd starter on the major league team when they break camp.

When does that statement get made with actual sincerity in it?

:hide: :hide: :nanner:


Apparently, today.

http://theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-indians/5-indians-archive/7791-chisenhall-pomeranz-why-not

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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:09 pm

Pomeranz doesn't have a good third pitch yet. You cannot make a living as a starter as a two-pitch pitcher. He needs to develop a better change or a slider before he'll be ready for the bigs.

They'll be able to monitor his workload better in the minors. We can't have him going five-and-fly with our bullpen already on pace to throw a lot of innings.

Let the kid develop at his own pace.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby Dellucci TailGator » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:59 pm

Good starts will be described as Pomeranzian.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby gotribe31 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:13 pm

Or Pomeranian.

What do you mean 'brought it bowling'? I didn't rent it shoes. I'm not buying it a fking beer. It's not takinf your fking turn, Dude. Its a fking show dog with fking papers. You can't board it, its hair falls out.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:24 pm

He has a no hitter going through 5 innings in his second start after throwing 5.1 s hit shutout innings with 9 K's in his debut.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:41 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:He has a no hitter going through 5 innings in his second start after throwing 5.1 s hit shutout innings with 9 K's in his debut.


He's not long for Kinston.

Wonder what the chances are he's in Akron for the majority of the summer and then in C'Bus late for a look?

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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby gotribe31 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:54 pm

peeker643 wrote:
British_Pharaoh wrote:He has a no hitter going through 5 innings in his second start after throwing 5.1 s hit shutout innings with 9 K's in his debut.


He's not long for Kinston.

Wonder what the chances are he's in Akron for the majority of the summer and then in C'Bus late for a look?

Al?

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I think you'll see him on the Alex White path. Kinston for a couple months till the weather warms up, then Akron in late May/early June for the rest of the season. He'll likely be on an innings limit of around 150, like White was.

No reason to rush him to Columbus. He still really only has 2 pitches, and will need to refine the changeup before he can start in the majors. And as good as he looks now, there's still the possiblity that his curveball command could escape him for a stretch like it did last year in college.

I didn't get a chance to talk to him during my Goodyear trip this year, but a couple of the other players I spoke with mentioned, unsolicited, what a good guy he is and how he doesn't have a big head or acts like a typical bonus baby. They were also unanimous in talking about just how good he is. So that's always nice to see/hear.

Also, way to talk about the no hitter. His final line for today: 5 2/3 IP, H, R (unearned), 2 BB, 8 K.

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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:11 pm

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Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:28 pm

Nice to see him deal again. That knuckle curve is going to be so sweet to see at the ML level.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby gotribe31 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:30 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:finished with 8K's in 5.2 innings allowing 1 hit and an unearned run


I know I didn't use the Queen's English, but isn't that remarkably similar to what I wrote in the post immediately preceeding yours?

Also, not sure if there's an equivalent in cricket, but here in the states we try not to talk about no hitters when they are in progress.
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Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:34 pm

gotribe31 wrote:Also, not sure if there's an equivalent in cricket, but here in the states we try not to talk about no hitters when they are in progress.


Which applies pretty much only if you're sitting on the bench near the pitcher. Anything else is hopeless superstition and utter nonsense.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby gotribe31 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:37 pm

WiscTribeFan wrote:
gotribe31 wrote:Also, not sure if there's an equivalent in cricket, but here in the states we try not to talk about no hitters when they are in progress.


Which applies pretty much only if you're sitting on the bench near the pitcher. Anything else is hopeless superstition and utter nonsense.


He talked about it, Pomz gave up a hit. I have established a relationship!
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:45 pm

gotribe31 wrote:
British_Pharaoh wrote:finished with 8K's in 5.2 innings allowing 1 hit and an unearned run


I know I didn't use the Queen's English, but isn't that remarkably similar to what I wrote in the post immediately preceeding yours?

Also, not sure if there's an equivalent in cricket, but here in the states we try not to talk about no hitters when they are in progress.



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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby gotribe31 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:55 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:
gotribe31 wrote:
British_Pharaoh wrote:finished with 8K's in 5.2 innings allowing 1 hit and an unearned run


I know I didn't use the Queen's English, but isn't that remarkably similar to what I wrote in the post immediately preceeding yours?

Also, not sure if there's an equivalent in cricket, but here in the states we try not to talk about no hitters when they are in progress.



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I was mostly kidding. I can see that it didn't translate to English.
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:48 pm

Not much chance of a no-hitter when they're not going to let him pitch more than six innings even if he had a perfect game going.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby gotribe31 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:05 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Not much chance of a no-hitter when they're not going to let him pitch more than six innings even if he had a perfect game going.


Exactly. He's on a pitch limit regardless.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby onlyindreams » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:58 am

A couple mores starts like this and I'd move him up. You're not really being challenged enough if you're allowing an .088 BA and striking out hitters at the rate of 13.9 per 9. He's talking about leaving a fastball up to allow one single. :thud:
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:57 am

gotribe31 wrote:
WiscTribeFan wrote:
gotribe31 wrote:Also, not sure if there's an equivalent in cricket, but here in the states we try not to talk about no hitters when they are in progress.


Which applies pretty much only if you're sitting on the bench near the pitcher. Anything else is hopeless superstition and utter nonsense.


He talked about it, Pomz gave up a hit. I have established a relationship![/quote]

Damn stat heads and your correlations and R2 crap. How many win shares did it cost him? :cheers:
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby TonyIPI » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:40 pm

To me, based on Pomeranz's performance the past two months in spring training and to start the season, he is the unquestionable #1 prospect in the organization. It was tough to consider him for that spot in the offseason because he had only pitched in a handful of Instructional League games last year....but he is the real deal. He's left-handed with FOR potential, which easily trumps Chisenhall/Kipnis and even Alex White. Nothing against those guys either as they are all very good players/prospects, but to me Pomeranz is just on a completely different level.

Hearing a lot of "promote him now" stuff with Pomeranz. First off, you can't promote a guy when there is no spot available. Who you gonna bump from a crowded/loaded rotation in Akron with Packer, Adams, Gardner, Barnes and De La Cruz? All five of those guys are legit starting pitching prospects and important to the organization. Then in Columbus they have 5-6 arms there. So the crowd at the top I think will keep Pomeranz in Kinston for awhile, at lease until injuries/callups/performance start to affect things in the upper levels. I also don't think it would harm anything to keep Pomeranz in Kinston for 2-3 months and get 10-12 starts there. He's still likely to pitch in Akron for a majority of the season, just may not get there until late May or mid-June.
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Unread postby Erie Warrior » Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:04 pm

TonyIPI wrote:Hearing a lot of "promote him now" stuff with Pomeranz. First off, you can't promote a guy when there is no spot available.


If he is who you say he is, shouldn't he get priority? I'm not pimping the idea, just saying he has more potential then those other yoots.
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Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:15 pm

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TonyIPI wrote:Hearing a lot of "promote him now" stuff with Pomeranz. First off, you can't promote a guy when there is no spot available.


If he is who you say he is, shouldn't he get priority? I'm not pimping the idea, just saying he has more potential then those other yoots.


It's also his first professional season. I'd be inclined to give the kid a couple of months to get used to the grind of professional baseball before moving him around. See how he transitions to the pro game, espeically when the weather starts to warm up, along with the flight of the ball. There's no need to rush him at this point, IMHO. Best to move him up when he's ready so as to never have to move him back down.
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Unread postby Erie Warrior » Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:22 pm

WiscTribeFan wrote:It's also his first professional season. I'd be inclined to give the kid a couple of months to get used to the grind of professional baseball before moving him around. See how he transitions to the pro game, espeically when the weather starts to warm up, along with the flight of the ball. There's no need to rush him at this point, IMHO. Best to move him up when he's ready so as to never have to move him back down.


I dig, and the third pitch thing is huge, but if he's steamrolling the competition then he needs to see better competition.

And his IP alone is worth keeping him semi-stable.
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:24 pm

I dont care when he gets here as long as he gets here and stays and is actually a good pitcher.

If we actually want to think about winning a world series, outside of acquiring a top pitching prospect, this kid is about the only chance we have of getting a #1 pitcher to head are rotation in the immediate future.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby TonyIPI » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:00 am

Erie Warrior wrote:
TonyIPI wrote:Hearing a lot of "promote him now" stuff with Pomeranz. First off, you can't promote a guy when there is no spot available.


If he is who you say he is, shouldn't he get priority? I'm not pimping the idea, just saying he has more potential then those other yoots.


He will get priority, but the five guys in Akron are pretty high priority guys too. An interesting situation to say the least because the Indians have two very deep rotations in Columbus and Akron. All five guys in Akron are arguably Top 15-25 prospects in the system. While Pomeranz is no question better than all of them, it may also allow him an opportunity to stick in Kinston a little while longer and work on the changeup and command. He certainly needs challenged, but I would like to see if the performance the first two games continues for another 5-6 starts and then go from there. By then maybe an injury crops up that allows Pomeranz to move to Akron (and Knapp to slide into Kinston for Pomeranz's vacated spot as expected).
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby jb » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:13 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Pomeranz doesn't have a good third pitch yet. You cannot make a living as a starter as a two-pitch pitcher.



How's White's third pitch developing this year so far?
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby skatingtripods » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:20 pm

jb wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Pomeranz doesn't have a good third pitch yet. You cannot make a living as a starter as a two-pitch pitcher.



How's White's third pitch developing this year so far?


Hell if I know.

I just know that all draft reports had Pomeranz with two plus pitches and an average change and slider. Hopefully, he's developing that pitch.
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby metalhead9x9 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:29 pm

jb wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Pomeranz doesn't have a good third pitch yet. You cannot make a living as a starter as a two-pitch pitcher.



How's White's third pitch developing this year so far?


Didn't the Indians make him stop throwing his awesome splitter he had in college? Anyone know if he's allowed to start throwing it again?
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Re: Pomeranz

Unread postby TonyIPI » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:48 pm

White is throwing his splitter...more this year than last...but it is his best pitch. He needs to develop his third pitch his slider which has potential but he never really threw it in college. Pomeranz has more feel for his third pitch (changeup), but both are expected to have the two plus pitches and average third offering.

Really pleased with what White is doing in Columbus so far. Throwing strikes, limiting walks, getting groundballs, and some Ks.
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