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Unread postby neoleo » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:47 pm

Thanks Joe Borowski. Does that melt down even count as a blown save, since it wasn't even a save situation?
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Re: That was fun

Unread postby tribetalk » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:40 pm

NEOLeo wrote:Thanks Joe Borowski. Does that melt down even count as a blown save, since it wasn't even a save situation?


I find it hard to believe you are actually blaming this one on Borowski.
--First off he should've never had pitched with a 4 run lead in the 9th.
--Since he did pitch and began to struggle, Wedge needs to talk to him and have someone up in the pen.
--Finally: if we had an offense, this would've never been a close game.
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Unread postby consigliere » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:24 pm

First off, yes that was NOT a blown save. Fricking hilarious. Maybe they need a stat called "blown win."

Also, Borowski SHOULD have pitched the 9th. Look, going into the 9th inning we were up 5-2. Borowski gets up and warms up, while Betancourt already knows he is done and is doing the typical stuff pitchers do when finished (ice, arm wraps, or whatever). Borowski was coming in whether we scored zero runs in the 9th, or scored 30 runs.

I have no problem with that.

Bottom line, Borowski gave up 6 runs. SIX RUNS!! That has to be some sort of record for a closer. Dude just flat out lost it. Most of the blame is on him, no matter how many bonehead moves we all think Wedge made. Borowski still has to make quailty pitches, which is what he DID NOT do.
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Re: That was fun

Unread postby neoleo » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:48 am

tribetalk wrote:I find it hard to believe you are actually blaming this one on Borowski.
--First off he should've never had pitched with a 4 run lead in the 9th.
--Since he did pitch and began to struggle, Wedge needs to talk to him and have someone up in the pen.
--Finally: if we had an offense, this would've never been a close game.


Was it such a bad decision to bring him in when the first two batters were retired easily? Or was that just good pitching and as soon as it goes bad its bad managing? I don't think you can plan for your closer to have a an epic meltown with 2 outs and nobody on. You think the bullpen is bad now, wait until you have a guy unnecessarily warming up every inning, even when there's nobody on base. Don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest Wedge fan, but let's not get crazy here. The fact is, JOE BOROWSKI gave up 5 runs in 2/3 of an inning.

And why shouldn't Borowski have been in there? He was already warmed up (it was a save situation before we added the insurance run in the top of the 9th). I could maybe understand your argument if Borowski threw a bunch of pitches in a meanigless situation (like yesterday should've been) and then came back the next day to either not be available or to not be effective.

Also, the offense was pitiful yesterday with men on base (about as pitiful as Joe Borowski), yet your blame seems to go towards (gasp) the players. Why's that?
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Unread postby neoleo » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:50 am

Consigliere wrote:Bottom line, Borowski gave up 6 runs. SIX RUNS!! That has to be some sort of record for a closer. Dude just flat out lost it. Most of the blame is on him, no matter how many bonehead moves we all think Wedge made. Borowski still has to make quailty pitches, which is what he DID NOT do.


Exactly Consig, my whole rant could've been summed up much easier if I just quoted you.
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Unread postby tribefan333 » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:25 am

This is not all on Wedge good Lord settle down.

Borowski messed up, bad, but it wasn't all Wedge.
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