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by consigliere » Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:03 am
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Musings: Don't forget about the IndiansTuesday, February 27, 2007BY DAN GRAZIANONJ Star-Ledger Staff The team of the moment is the Cleveland Indians. We love everything about them. Well, except for the "Cleveland" part. The Indians came out of nowhere and almost sneaked into the playoffs in 2005. Last year, they were a fourth-place disappointment. But that's okay. Happens all the time. Team on the rise takes a step back, then comes roaring back the following year and everybody says, "Oh yeah. We remember now. They were supposed to be good." Welcome to 2007, and listen to the roar. By the end of this season, you'll be proudly asserting to all of your friends that the Indians have the best hitter (Travis Hafner) and the best all-around player (Grady Sizemore) in the American League. Both would have been legitimate MVP candidates last year if Cleveland had been any good and if Hafner hadn't broken his hand at the beginning of September. Even with that final month off, Hafner finished third in the American League in home runs (42), fourth in walks (100) and sixth in RBI (117). His .439 on-base percentage and .659 slugging percentage were tops in the AL. He doesn't turn 30 until June. And his nickname is "Pronk." Which, as Ricky Bobby would say, is an awesome nickname. Sizemore is only 24. And all he did last year, in his second full major-league season, was hit 53 doubles (if that sounds like a lot, that's because nobody hit more), 11 triples and 28 home runs. His 349 total bases were good for second in the league, behind a fella by the name of Dave Ortiz. And his 134 runs were 26 more than anybody else in the league scored. So there's that. But more importantly, there's this: The Indians worked to correct their biggest weakness by signing relievers Joe Borowski, Aaron Fultz and Roberto Hernandez. (They signed Keith Foulke, too, but then he retired for some reason). They have a true ace in C.C. Sabathia, and a strong No. 2 in Jake Westbrook. Players like David Dellucci, Trot Nixon and Casey Blake give their lineup flexibility. And they're hungry, because they got to smell the postseason in 2005 and know they should have won more games in 2006. Indians. We're telling you. Remember where you heard it.
by DGeneral » Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:56 am
by leadpipe » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:44 pm
by Dozen » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:44 pm
Blake is so versatile and athletic
by hermanfontenot » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:21 pm
by consigliere » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:44 pm
Lead Pipe wrote:Consig, you DO love the Tribe. "They are surely a very good team" Look, they have a nice offense, some really good young players, but, man, that bully, that defense, an unsettled end of the rotation. These question marks and/or problems a very good team doesn't have. I hope things work out (someone in the bully, perhaps Miller etc.) but lets not get carried away. They are going to have to overachieve to get out of the division. As far as predictions go, I once had a Sports Illustrated Baseball preview cover on my wall touting the Tribe to go all the way. Unfortunately, coever boy Cory Snyder and the boys just couldn't get it done.
by leadpipe » Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:00 am
by consigliere » Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:18 am
Lead Pipe wrote:No, actually, I could care less what anyone else says. I make my own choices, comments and decisions. And, if in a rare instance I was to be influenced, it wouldn't be by the local media. For example, if I learned all I knew from Roda and Brinda, I would know little of value. So, if the media loves or hates the Tribe it makes no never mind to me.
I'm not saying they are horrible, we must have a different definition of what a very good team is. As far as the national media being in unison, that is you hanging a hat on that. They are wrong as often as they are right. That's why, well, see the first paragraph.
Lastly, you can't describe a very good team by outlining the weaknesses of others. Because the Twins have a rotation shortage and the Bosox don't have a closer doesn't mean the Tribe is a very good team. It may mean they can win games without having everything fall their way, but it does not make them a great team. If they were truly a very good team whoever else other teams had wouldn't make as much of a difference.
by Dozen » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:07 am
I don't consider this a good team because of the weaknesses of other teams. That was not the original point. THe point is, people bitch about the bullpen or defense or whatever. They act like no one else has any serious issues which will make or break their season.
by leadpipe » Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:38 pm
by consigliere » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:19 pm
Lead Pipe wrote:Consig, I think you might be interpreting some of my post incorrectly. Just because I don't think that the Tribe is a "very good team" doesn't mean I think they blow or they are a horrible organization. I do think they find themselves in the group of teams that are in a market which greatly restricts what they can do. When you are in this situation you needs to make A LOT of corect decisions and you need A LOT of "if" situations to fall in your favor. The difference between you and I is our optimism on the above issues. They aren't top to bottom stone cold stupid like the Cavs for crying out loud.
by consigliere » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:46 pm
by swerb » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:50 pm
by jb » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:49 pm
Hey, sure beats everyone predicting us to come in last in the division. But, you have to take notice when just about every national media outlet is predicting big things from the Tribe. I hope them doing so doesn't put expectations to out of whack with this team.
by FUDU » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:54 pm
by consigliere » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:04 pm
by bookelly » Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:24 am
Swerb wrote:It's downright eerie ... Gammons love affair with the Indians.Goes way back, even to the mid-90's. The guys been artificially inflating our hopes for over a decade now.I respect no one's opinion more too. Just wish he'd be right one of these years.
by swerb » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:10 am
bookelly wrote:Swerb wrote:It's downright eerie ... Gammons love affair with the Indians.Goes way back, even to the mid-90's. The guys been artificially inflating our hopes for over a decade now.I respect no one's opinion more too. Just wish he'd be right one of these years.Watch ESPN's Indians games and you'll see Shap and PGam cozy on the third base line. This relationship goes both ways...Shap feeds him GM dirt, and PGam gives him mental handjobs on SportsCenter.\(can't believe i capitalized teh 'c'.)
by consigliere » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:24 am
bookelly wrote:Watch ESPN's Indians games and you'll see Shap and PGam cozy on the third base line. This relationship goes both ways...Shap feeds him GM dirt, and PGam gives him mental handjobs on SportsCenter.
by consigliere » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:15 pm
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by hermanfontenot » Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:20 pm
The Wall Street Journal has the Indians winning the World Series, beating the Yanks in the ALCS and the Mets in the WS.
by consigliere » Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:30 pm
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