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by DGeneral » Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:43 pm
by pup » Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:54 pm
by British_Pharaoh » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:06 pm
by pup » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:17 pm
Dgen dont bring ur Dolan Bashing and pessimism here
I post here to get away from u lot on the cleveland.com forum
by British_Pharaoh » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:25 pm
Dgen dont bring ur Dolan Bashing and pessimism here All are welcome here. I post here to get away from u lot on the cleveland.com forumLucky us
by DGeneral » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:53 pm
DGeneral, welcome to the boards!Great first post.The only thing I disagree with is the Dolan part. He gave Shapiro the money, but Shapiro's ego spent it on reclamation projects and journeymen guesses instead of proven talent. Sure Shapiro can get lucky and these guys pan out. More than likely though it will be another season of trades, so we can acquire young talent, then never have the balls to play the young talent and replacing them with over the hill never weres.
by British_Pharaoh » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:15 pm
DGeneral, welcome to the boards!Great first post.The only thing I disagree with is the Dolan part. He gave Shapiro the money, but Shapiro's ego spent it on reclamation projects and journeymen guesses instead of proven talent. Sure Shapiro can get lucky and these guys pan out. More than likely though it will be another season of trades, so we can acquire young talent, then never have the balls to play the young talent and replacing them with over the hill never weres.A $65m payroll is still a puny sum given the task at hand. A 17% percent increase in spending isn't good enough put this team over the top. Dolan does not get a pass for continuously funding one of the lowest payrolls in baseball the past 5 years. 07 payroll will likely be in the bottom 10 of the league again.Good point about Shapiro not using the solutions dangling under his nose to improve the team. Dumping Phillips in favor of Vaquez was a horrific miss last year. Squandering $4m on the stiff Johnson instead of promoting Jeremy Sowers to the rotation was another huge blunder.The 07 Shapiro ineptitude is already set up with not even giving Garko a chance to prove himself at 1b.
by furls » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:36 pm
by pup » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:12 pm
why are you basing this teams success, how Shap has performed in the offseason and how you think the team will do this season on how much money we spend?
2 best players in our division
reliable bullpen arms
We got 4 count em FOUR veteran arms
Too much is amde of injuries today and its something the Dolan haters love to grab onto in order to criticise the FO.
Fact is Millwood, Howry, Elarton, Sauerbeck and others all came to Cleveland injured with their careers in jeopardy, and they helped form a 92 win team.
Tony Sipp who is the second coming of Mo Rivera and you better believe it.
so our number 2 hitter this year will have a 50 point increase in his On base %.
Wedge isnt gone and thats all we can moan at Shapiro for.
by British_Pharaoh » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:01 pm
I am not. I am basing it on who we spent it on.
In a division with the reigning MVP and Cy Young winners, that is a pretty hard statement to justify.
Which we still need.
But not reliable.
I am on the record as not being a Dolan hater. Here is my problem, once again, with the bulpen additions: Fultz, Hernandez and Borowski have been getting by in the NL. They have been decent, but hardly great, pitching in AAAA. This does not translate to getting it done in the AL. Like I said, it could happen, but more than likeley these three plug along as we fall out of contention, then get traded to NL contenders, for some more kids who will not get a chance to play here in 08 because we will waste the $20mil Dolan gives Shapiro on Fultz, Browski, Hernandez and Foulke.
That was supposed to be the beginning of a great run, not the pinnacle. And Scott Saursuck had nothing to do with that team winning 92 games. Millwood won 9 games. Howry and Elarton were terrific, then allowed to wonder out of town.
So many things, where to begin? How about here: Stop the insanity. Now this is where my argument about the shitty off season really starts. All I keep hearing is about the volatility of MLB bullpens. About how you cannot predict what you will get out of relievers from year to year. Then someone please explain to me why in the hell would that be the one area you invest 80% of your FA budget on? Why not improve another area with someone who will impact 160 games, and count on all these great kids we have acquired over the last 6 years to handle the bullpen?
But we don't need offense, you have said so yourself many times. Plus, I don't know why everyone gives Delucci and Nixon so much love for being good with the glove? Delucci has been a DH most of his career and while right field in Fenway has some wierd angles, it hardly requires a great defender. You have no responsibility to cover the line since their is no foul ground and your center fielder gets to shift toward right since the Monster makes left field a turn and catch position.
by leadpipe » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:18 pm
by British_Pharaoh » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:20 pm
When evaluating pitching there is nothing more important than their injury history. Many smokers liked to talk about how George Burns lived till' he was 90, yet most of em' died much earlier than that. Fact is, a pitcher with an arm injury, especially multiple, are very likely to have one again.
by pup » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:32 pm
even if these pitchers had had sub 2 ERA's the 'NL is weaker' argument would still be your only ammunition
doesnt translate into failure in the AL.
my point in this part of text was that pitchers coming off injury in cleveland especially seem to rebound with great years and that fans should not just dismiss a pitcher and consider him a non factor just cos he is coming off an injury. The majority of fans wanted Gagne to sign here more than any other reliever we went after and he was coming off the worst injury out of the lot of them.
The majority of fans wanted Gagne to sign here more than any other reliever we went after and he was coming off the worst injury out of the lot of them.
I am not mad they did not sign him, I have been anti-Gagne since the first time it was mentioned.
if not we hand over to one of the youngsters who should have gotten some experience during the 2007 season.
That was a pretty thin argument to try and play down the Trot Nixon acquisition and his play in the OF, can you attempt any positives words on anything I've brought up in this post?
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