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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby OSU819903 » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:29 pm

At this rate there is no way that Masa makes this club right now. He is horrendous.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Destiny » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:33 pm

March 15, 2009
Game can be heard live on WMMS 100.7 FM, the Indians Radio Network and Gameday Audio.

INDIANS:
CF Grady Sizemore, RF Jamey Carroll, LF David Dellucci, C Kelly Shoppach, 1B Beau Mills, 2B Tony Graffanino, DH Matt LaPorta, 3B Wes Hodges, SS Andy Cannizaro. .. LHP Scott Lewis.

Also available to pitch:
RHP Kerry Wood, RHP Anthony Reyes, LHP Tony Sipp, RHP Greg Aquino, RHP Juan Salas.

BREWERS:
DH Tony Gwynn, CF Lorenzo Cain, SS Craig Counsell, 1B Prince Fielder, 2B Casey McGehee, RF Trot Nixon, 3B Mike Lamp, LF Chris Duffy, C Jonathan Lucroy. RHP Seth McClung.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:15 pm

After Sowers and Laffey staked their claim for the 5th spot, Scott Lewis has kept himself in the mix today with 4 good innings allowing 1 run off 3 hits without a walk.

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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby noles1 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:47 pm

Lewis showed up with a solid outing today as well. Good to see these starters start to tighten things up.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby ArtGold » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:09 pm

Bad inning from Saarloos, verifying that his earlier bashing by KC wasn't a fluke.

Just a confirmation of his career thus far.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Destiny » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:28 pm

MARCH 16, 2009

INDIANS:
CF Josh Barfield, LF Ben Francisco, DH Travis Hafner, C Victor Martinez, SS Jhonny Peralta, 1B Ryan Garko, 2B Asdrubal Cabrera, 3B Tony Graffanino, RF Trevor Crowe. ... LHP Jeremy Sowers.

Also available to pitch:
LHP Rafael Perez, RHP Vinnie Chulk, RHP John Meloan, RHP Jack Cassel, RHP Greg Aquino.

MARINERS:
CF Prentice Redman, C Jeff Clement, 3B Matt Tuiasosopo, DH Mike Sweeney, 1B Chris Shelton, LF Mike Carp, RF Mike Morse, SS Carlos Triunfel, 2B Reggie Corona. ... RHP Chris Jakubauskas.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Steve Buffum » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:57 pm

Destiny wrote:MARINERS:
CF Prentice Redman, C Jeff Clement, 3B Matt Tuiasosopo, DH Mike Sweeney, 1B Chris Shelton, LF Mike Carp, RF Mike Morse, SS Carlos Triunfel, 2B Reggie Corona. ... RHP Chris Jakubauskas.

Good grief, is this a split squad from the Mariners? Who the heck are these guys? (Okay, I know some of them, but not Redman, Corona, or Jakabauskas, and guys like Carp, Morse, and Tooey are Mooks Supreme.)
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby pup » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:23 pm

3B Matt Tuiasosopo



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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby redneckofsc » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:46 pm

Matt plays for the Mariners, his brother Marques plays for the Raiders, his other brother Zach plays for the Bucaneers. their father Manu used to be a defensive lineman for the Seahawks and 49ers.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Steve Buffum » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:57 pm

redneckofsc wrote:Matt plays for the Mariners, his brother Marques plays for the Raiders, his other brother Zach plays for the Bucaneers. their father Manu used to be a defensive lineman for the Seahawks and 49ers.

And the four of them will make identical contributions in major league baseball this season.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Destiny » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:04 pm

Steve Buffum wrote:Good grief, is this a split squad from the Mariners? Who the heck are these guys? (Okay, I know some of them, but not Redman, Corona, or Jakabauskas, and guys like Carp, Morse, and Tooey are Mooks Supreme.)

Yep it is, this was on the [url=http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=seaofficial site[/url] where you click on to listen to the game (where the numbers and pictures are) The Mariners will send split squads into action Monday at 1:05 p.m. PT against the Dodgers and the Indians :lol: They have two games going at the same exact time.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby cozmeesah » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:06 pm

Heh, Grady was supposed to be the successor to Marques Tooey at QB for the UW Huskies, and therefore the Huskies didn't recruit another QB that year. (I know, I know, Grady wasn't a QB in HS. But they were planning on turning him into one....my guess is he would be running the option a lot, semi-noodle arm and all.) Then dropped out, even after signing a letter of intent, when he was drafted by Montreal. Leaving UW with no QB recruit.

Matt Tooey did the same exact thing to UW in 2003. Jake Locker damn near did it to them recently as well. He chose football though. Methinks UW needs to stop recruiting QB's that also play baseball. They don't have a good track record, lol.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby redneckofsc » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:17 pm

And the four of them will make identical contributions in major league baseball this season.


Matt was considered 1st round material out of high school, but he had a lot of football scholarship offers, so the Mariners took him in the 3rd round. They gave him a $2.3M signing bonus.

He is hitting .500/.538/.861 in ST so far.

Other note: His brother Marques was drafted by the Twins in 1997 in the 34th round, but chose football.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Steve Buffum » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:28 pm

redneckofsc wrote:
And the four of them will make identical contributions in major league baseball this season.


Matt was considered 1st round material out of high school, but he had a lot of football scholarship offers, so the Mariners took him in the 3rd round. They gave him a $2.3M signing bonus.

He is hitting .500/.538/.861 in ST so far.

FWIW, I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, but he sure looked Not Ready in his cuppacawfee last year (.159/.213/.250, 16 K and 2 BB in 47 AB), and his numbers in Tacoma weren't that hot for a hitter's league. I suppose they could trade Beltre and he'd get a shot, but my guess is 2009 is not going to be the Year Of Matt.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby redneckofsc » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:35 pm

I suppose they could trade Beltre and he'd get a shot, but my guess is 2009 is not going to be the Year Of Matt.


He always struck me as a Drew Henson, Chris Weinke, and Josh Booty type...should have stuck with football.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:49 pm

Sowers with another solid 4 inning performance.

4IP, 3H, 1R, 1BB, 2K, 8 GB, 1 FB

Chris Gimenez with a walk-off 3-run HR in the bottom of the 9th for a 4-1 Tribe win.

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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby TitoFrancona » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:23 am

dazindiansfanuk wrote:Sowers with another solid 4 inning performance.

4IP, 3H, 1R, 1BB, 2K, 8 GB, 1 FB

Chris Gimenez with a walk-off 3-run HR in the bottom of the 9th for a 4-1 Tribe win.

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/news/b ... b_clemlb_1


At this point, I'd love for them to bid farewell to Dellucci, Marte and Barfield and simply tell Crowe and Giminez they have made the team. I don't think there's a possibility in the world they can be worse and most likely will be better.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby redneckofsc » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:28 am

At this point, I'd love for them to bid farewell to Dellucci, Marte and Barfield and simply tell Crowe and Giminez they have made the team. I don't think there's a possibility in the world they can be worse and most likely will be better.



I dont see how they can justify keeping Dellucci. He needs to go.

Marte I am fine with going to AAA to see if he has anything left.

I can't figrue out Barfield. I think they just need to trade him back to some NL team.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby cozmeesah » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:32 pm

This is damn near an actual REAL Major League game today, lol:

3/17 @ Rangers:


Today's 4:05 p.m. ET game is available exclusively through the Gameday Audio feature.

INDIANS: CF Grady Sizemore, 2B Jamey Carroll, DH Travis Hafner, 3B Jhonny Peralta, RF Ben Francisco, C Kelly Shoppach, SS Asdrubal Cabrera, LF Matt LaPorta, 1B Michael Aubrey. LHP Cliff Lee.

Also available to pitch: RHP Kerry Wood, RHP Joe Smith, RHP Masa Kobayashi, LHP Tony Sipp.

RANGERS: 2B Ian Kinsler, 3B Michael Young, CF Josh Hamilton, RF Nelson Cruz, DH Marlon Byrd, LF David Murphy, 1B Chris Davis, C Jarrod Saltalamacchia, SS Elvis Andrus. RHP Scott Feldman.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:42 pm

Cliff Lee is having as bad a spring as Masa Kobyashi and Edward Mujica yet nobody worries about him yet wants the latter two guys dropped in middle of the desert. Four runs given up in his first inning today.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:48 pm

Chris wrote:Cliff Lee is having as bad a spring as Masa Kobyashi and Edward Mujica yet nobody worries about him yet wants the latter two guys dropped in middle of the desert. Four runs given up in his first inning today.


Winning 22 games has a knack of giving you some wriggle room in the minds of fans..... this time last year people were calling for Cliff's head too (apart from me! :woot: :wow: )
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:52 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:
Chris wrote:Cliff Lee is having as bad a spring as Masa Kobyashi and Edward Mujica yet nobody worries about him yet wants the latter two guys dropped in middle of the desert. Four runs given up in his first inning today.


Winning 22 games has a knack of giving you some wriggle room in the minds of fans..... this time last year people we call for Cliff's head too (apart from me! :woot: :wow: )


I remember Lee being hit or miss last Spring. He'd have a good outing, then a bad one, then a good one. This year it's just a big massive shit on the pitchers mound. Just ST, I know, but it's just ST for other guys like I said. It's like he isnt even trying to get people out.
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Unread postby cozmeesah » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:01 pm

Chris wrote:It's like he isnt even trying to get people out.


He might not be. Could just be working on a certain pitch or two or is just trying to get his innings in.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:02 pm

cozmeesah wrote:
Chris wrote:It's like he isnt even trying to get people out.


He might not be. Could just be working on a certain pitch or two or is just trying to get his innings in.


True, hope so!
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby cozmeesah » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:11 pm

This 3rd inning is just plain Cliff poopy....as he's now given up 10 runs in 3 innings. 6 in this one. But that first was aided by two errors by Grady and Kelly. This is just uuugly, lol.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:20 pm

10-0 texas

Cliff Lee.... :hide:

Sorry if I'm just not a Cliff Lee believer, I've never liked this guy and he's only tolerable because he won the Cy Young. I desperately want him to be good again this year but I have serious worries about him, and that was before the 20 ERA in ST.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Wahoot » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:28 pm

Wake me up the next time Hafner gets a base hit.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:29 pm

Wahoot wrote:Wake me up the next time Hafner gets a base hit.


I know, it's been like 4 games :/
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby cozmeesah » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:38 pm

Wake up, lol. Even if it probably should have been ruled an error.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby onlyindreams » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:47 pm

I might start to worry if the vets got bombed in their last couple of starts of the spring, but even then, they're vets and it's spring training. Don't worry.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:03 pm

Another scoreless inning for Wood with a K.

Sizemore has hit his first HR of the spring and LaPorta is 2-for-3 as the Indians have cut the deficit to 10-5.

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Unread postby cozmeesah » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:15 pm

Joe Smith with a nice inning as well. Struck out Josh Hamilton.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:23 pm

cozmeesah wrote:Joe Smith with a nice inning as well. Struck out Josh Hamilton.


A lefty.... hopefully a sign of things to come!
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby TitoFrancona » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:03 pm

Chris wrote: I remember Lee being hit or miss last Spring. He'd have a good outing, then a bad one, then a good one. This year it's just a big massive shit on the pitchers mound. Just ST, I know, but it's just ST for other guys like I said. It's like he isnt even trying to get people out.


Apparently you don't. From what I have heard, all Lee is doing right now is throwing his fastball. That's not unusual for veteran pitchers to do.

The difference between an established veteran and a Kobyashi or others is that, their not hear to win a job. Their only goal is to be ready for the season. Guys like Kobyashi are on the bubble. They can't afford to be upstaged by rookies or vets signed to minor league deals who are trying to win a job with the ML team.

I'll start worrying about Lee his last 2 appearances or so. He already has the number 1 spot in the rotation locked up.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:48 pm

TitoFrancona wrote:
Chris wrote: I remember Lee being hit or miss last Spring. He'd have a good outing, then a bad one, then a good one. This year it's just a big massive shit on the pitchers mound. Just ST, I know, but it's just ST for other guys like I said. It's like he isnt even trying to get people out.


Apparently you don't. From what I have heard, all Lee is doing right now is throwing his fastball. That's not unusual for veteran pitchers to do.

The difference between an established veteran and a Kobyashi or others is that, their not hear to win a job. Their only goal is to be ready for the season. Guys like Kobyashi are on the bubble. They can't afford to be upstaged by rookies or vets signed to minor league deals who are trying to win a job with the ML team.

I'll start worrying about Lee his last 2 appearances or so. He already has the number 1 spot in the rotation locked up.


I dunno, giving up 10 runs is pretty terrible, even if it's just spring training. Just saying. I don't expect Lee to be ace-quality in 2009, and I hope I'm wrong. I've just never really liked Lee. I want to believe he turned a corner in 2008, but I'll reserve that judgement.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:50 pm

That being said, Lee had a point. He was basically throwing nothing but fastballs. Only five or six of his 60-some pitches were offspeed. He was throwing fastballs in counts he'd never throw them in-season, and he said he also took into account the fact that he'll be facing this Rangers team in less than three weeks, when the games count.


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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Toxicadam » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:04 pm

If you watched that 30/30 show, during the Cliff Lee interview, he said his #1 focus was locating his fastball. That's no doubt what today's start was all about.

So, it's no surprise those goons from Texas feasted on his fastball.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby pup » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:05 am

Chris wrote:
TitoFrancona wrote:
Chris wrote: I remember Lee being hit or miss last Spring. He'd have a good outing, then a bad one, then a good one. This year it's just a big massive shit on the pitchers mound. Just ST, I know, but it's just ST for other guys like I said. It's like he isnt even trying to get people out.


Apparently you don't. From what I have heard, all Lee is doing right now is throwing his fastball. That's not unusual for veteran pitchers to do.

The difference between an established veteran and a Kobyashi or others is that, their not hear to win a job. Their only goal is to be ready for the season. Guys like Kobyashi are on the bubble. They can't afford to be upstaged by rookies or vets signed to minor league deals who are trying to win a job with the ML team.

I'll start worrying about Lee his last 2 appearances or so. He already has the number 1 spot in the rotation locked up.


I dunno, giving up 10 runs is pretty terrible, even if it's just spring training. Just saying. I don't expect Lee to be ace-quality in 2009, and I hope I'm wrong. I've just never really liked Lee. I want to believe he turned a corner in 2008, but I'll reserve that judgement.


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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:15 am

Pup wrote:
Chris wrote:
TitoFrancona wrote:
Chris wrote: I remember Lee being hit or miss last Spring. He'd have a good outing, then a bad one, then a good one. This year it's just a big massive shit on the pitchers mound. Just ST, I know, but it's just ST for other guys like I said. It's like he isnt even trying to get people out.


Apparently you don't. From what I have heard, all Lee is doing right now is throwing his fastball. That's not unusual for veteran pitchers to do.

The difference between an established veteran and a Kobyashi or others is that, their not hear to win a job. Their only goal is to be ready for the season. Guys like Kobyashi are on the bubble. They can't afford to be upstaged by rookies or vets signed to minor league deals who are trying to win a job with the ML team.

I'll start worrying about Lee his last 2 appearances or so. He already has the number 1 spot in the rotation locked up.


I dunno, giving up 10 runs is pretty terrible, even if it's just spring training. Just saying. I don't expect Lee to be ace-quality in 2009, and I hope I'm wrong. I've just never really liked Lee. I want to believe he turned a corner in 2008, but I'll reserve that judgement.


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I don't mean I HATE Lee or anything. That hat incident just rubbed me the wrong way as it would any fan, and his whole demeanor is kind of off the wall in interviews. He pitches for the Tribe and I will cheer for him therefore, obviously...I'm just saying, though. I'm sure a ton of you guys thought the guy was a punk too, and I just question whether his head is fully in the game or if it is in other places at this point. I'm sure you can understand that, my man.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:36 pm

Chris wrote:I don't mean I HATE Lee or anything. That hat incident just rubbed me the wrong way as it would any fan, and his whole demeanor is kind of off the wall in interviews. He pitches for the Tribe and I will cheer for him therefore, obviously...I'm just saying, though. I'm sure a ton of you guys thought the guy was a punk too, and I just question whether his head is fully in the game or if it is in other places at this point. I'm sure you can understand that, my man.


It seems like his head was pretty well attached last season, unless you consider what he did to be extremely lucky.

For a guy with a spot as the #1 starter, he has the luxury of working on things in ST because his statistics are meaningless. Now if he was going out there with the intention of throwing every pitch he had and trying to get guys out, I'd be concerned. He was working on spotting his fastball. Once the Rangers picked up on that, it's a bit easier to sit back and go after those pitches and hammer them, especially a great hitting team like Texas.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:45 pm

Yup. We'll see. Hopefully Lee makes a believer and a fan out of me this year.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby consigliere » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:49 pm

Chris wrote:Yup. We'll see. Hopefully Lee makes a believer and a fan out of me this year.


What does he have to do to prove himself to you? Just curious.

Cause he has only really had one bad season (2007), but had one great season (2008) and three pretty good ones (2004, 2005, and 2006). So the one bad one outweighs the one great one and three good ones?

Me, I'm hoping for what he did from 2004-2006....I'll take that because that's what i think he is (he is not an ace, he's a #2/#3 to me).
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:32 pm

Consigliere wrote:
Chris wrote:Yup. We'll see. Hopefully Lee makes a believer and a fan out of me this year.


What does he have to do to prove himself to you? Just curious.

Cause he has only really had one bad season (2007), but had one great season (2008) and three pretty good ones (2004, 2005, and 2006). So the one bad one outweighs the one great one and three good ones?

Me, I'm hoping for what he did from 2004-2006....I'll take that because that's what i think he is (he is not an ace, he's a #2/#3 to me).


He needs to follow up on his performance last year and show that he is truly the ace of the staff. That's all. You say you don't think he's an ace. Well, we're in trouble then. I hope you are wrong.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:37 pm

Chris wrote:He needs to follow up on his performance last year and show that he is truly the ace of the staff. That's all. You say you don't think he's an ace. Well, we're in trouble then. I hope you are wrong.


Well then prepare to be disappointed. He is not a true #1 or ace. Yes, he is the defacto ace of this staff, but he is more Barry Zito in Oakland to me who was a good pitcher as a #2/3 guy and not a true front of the rotation guy.

If he pitches like the #2/3 I think he is, we are not in trouble. We are in trouble if the other guys in the rotation bomb.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:18 pm

Consigliere wrote:
Chris wrote:He needs to follow up on his performance last year and show that he is truly the ace of the staff. That's all. You say you don't think he's an ace. Well, we're in trouble then. I hope you are wrong.


Well then prepare to be disappointed. He is not a true #1 or ace. Yes, he is the defacto ace of this staff, but he is more Barry Zito in Oakland to me who was a good pitcher as a #2/3 guy and not a true front of the rotation guy.

If he pitches like the #2/3 I think he is, we are not in trouble. We are in trouble if the other guys in the rotation bomb.


I really don't like this rotation at all. It went from our biggest strength to our biggest weakness in a single year. If what you say is true (and honestly, it probably is) then we have no legitimate ace, Carmona is a question mark, and everyone after that is an enormous question mark.

I'm praying we catch lightning in a bottle with a young kid or with Pavano/Carmona having big comeback years.
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Unread postby TouchEmAllTime » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:29 pm

Chris wrote:
Consigliere wrote:
Chris wrote:He needs to follow up on his performance last year and show that he is truly the ace of the staff. That's all. You say you don't think he's an ace. Well, we're in trouble then. I hope you are wrong.


Well then prepare to be disappointed. He is not a true #1 or ace. Yes, he is the defacto ace of this staff, but he is more Barry Zito in Oakland to me who was a good pitcher as a #2/3 guy and not a true front of the rotation guy.

If he pitches like the #2/3 I think he is, we are not in trouble. We are in trouble if the other guys in the rotation bomb.


I really don't like this rotation at all. It went from our biggest strength to our biggest weakness in a single year. If what you say is true (and honestly, it probably is) then we have no legitimate ace, Carmona is a question mark, and everyone after that is an enormous question mark.

I'm praying we catch lightning in a bottle with a young kid or with Pavano/Carmona having big comeback years.


I echo your sentiment the more I think about everything, and with Hafner being a huge question mark, and having to hope Victor will stay healthy and hit for power again, where will the power come from on this team? Is it a good thing that our leadoff hitter is our best power hitter? It is an odd year, and our division isn't strong, so not getting too nervous yet, just realistic concerns I think.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Chris » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:34 pm

TouchEmAllTime wrote:
Chris wrote:
Consigliere wrote:
Chris wrote:He needs to follow up on his performance last year and show that he is truly the ace of the staff. That's all. You say you don't think he's an ace. Well, we're in trouble then. I hope you are wrong.


Well then prepare to be disappointed. He is not a true #1 or ace. Yes, he is the defacto ace of this staff, but he is more Barry Zito in Oakland to me who was a good pitcher as a #2/3 guy and not a true front of the rotation guy.

If he pitches like the #2/3 I think he is, we are not in trouble. We are in trouble if the other guys in the rotation bomb.


I really don't like this rotation at all. It went from our biggest strength to our biggest weakness in a single year. If what you say is true (and honestly, it probably is) then we have no legitimate ace, Carmona is a question mark, and everyone after that is an enormous question mark.

I'm praying we catch lightning in a bottle with a young kid or with Pavano/Carmona having big comeback years.


I echo your sentiment the more I think about everything, and with Hafner being a huge question mark, and having to hope Victor will stay healthy and hit for power again, where will the power come from on this team? Is it a good thing that our leadoff hitter is our best power hitter? It is an odd year, and our division isn't strong, so not getting too nervous yet, just realistic concerns I think.


I expect us to compete for the division this year, not much more. I have my sights set on 2010 when I think we could be a WS contender if our talent develops the way we want it to. But we need better starting pitching, that much is certain. The lineup is the least of my concern right now, and no I dont think Hafner is coming back, sadly. He's my favorite Indian, but I think he's done.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby consigliere » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:44 am

Chris wrote:I expect us to compete for the division this year, not much more. I have my sights set on 2010 when I think we could be a WS contender if our talent develops the way we want it to. But we need better starting pitching, that much is certain. The lineup is the least of my concern right now, and no I dont think Hafner is coming back, sadly. He's my favorite Indian, but I think he's done.


This is what separates baseball from other sports. You just need to get into the playoffs. Home field, seeding, record, performance wire-to-wire don't mean a whole lot. Once you get in, then everyone has a shot. Some a little better than others, but nothing like the big gap in chances for some of the lower playoff teams in the NFL and NBA.

So, if we compete and can win our division this year, 2009 is just as great a chance as 2010 to win it all. I agree that this team is setup to be really strong in 2010 and be a bigtime contender, but I wouldn't overlook 2009 so quickly.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby cozmeesah » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:44 pm

Well aside from the two guys still playing in the WBC, we have our MLB lineup going today.... just ignoring Dellucci, lol.

Indians (7-11-1): CF Grady Sizemore, LF David Dellucci, C Victor Martinez, SS Jhonny Peralta, 1B Ryan Garko, RF Ben Francisco, 2B Asdrubal Cabrera, 3B Josh Barfield and LHP Aaron Laffey.

Brewers (9-8): C Jason Kendall, 2B Rickie Weeks, SS J.J. Hardy, 1B Prince Fielder, RF Corey Hart, CF Mike Cameron, 3B Bill Hall, LF Chris Duffy and LHP Manny Parra.
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Re: Spring Training Games Thread

Unread postby Steve Buffum » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:52 pm

Dellucci facing a left-hander. Joy.
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