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by StewieG » Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:13 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:52 pm
by consigliere » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:57 pm
by leadpipe » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:57 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:32 pm
Consigliere wrote:Also, I believe Varejao is going to get a ridiculous contract from someone thsi offseason. You see it all the time. Teams overpay for big men. I think what he gets will dwarf what Gooden signed for, which will be interesting to see how the Cavs handle it. I'd hate to see Varejao go, but is he going to be worth $7-8M+ a year possibly? Would he be better served in a sign and trade to get something of value?
That is great to hear that Ferry can go over the luxury tax. This, to me, helps out mostly with resigning Varejao and Sasha, but even moreso on making trades. As Windhorst opined, we have some good trading chips to offer not only in young talent, but also expiring contracts. I think it would be nearly impossible to deal Hughes and Z, but everyone else is very tradeable if you ask me.Ferry has to get it right this offseason. This is his chance to correct his mistakes in the 2005 offseason.
by hermanfontenot » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:40 pm
by swerb » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:54 pm
HermanFontenot wrote:This is idle speculation (obviously), but Z strikes me as a guy who would rather retire than be traded at this point in his career. Moving him might not be feasible for that reason.
by consigliere » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:11 pm
by leadpipe » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:34 pm
Swerb wrote:HermanFontenot wrote:This is idle speculation (obviously), but Z strikes me as a guy who would rather retire than be traded at this point in his career. Moving him might not be feasible for that reason.I would agree with that 100%. He's lived here his whole life, has banked tens and tens of millions of dollars, and has stated his desire to play nowhere else. Add in the personal strife he and his wife went through this year, and I cannot see any chance of him being moved. He'd hang em up.
by DarNoor » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:23 pm
StewieG wrote::--Dan Gilbert has cleared Danny Ferry to go into the luxury tax. By the way, this is no small feat. Just ask some other GMs.
by consigliere » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:30 pm
DarNoor wrote:How refreshing is it to have an owner that isn't afraid to spend money in order to bring a winner to this town?!?
by Dozen » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:31 am
Consigliere wrote:DarNoor wrote:How refreshing is it to have an owner that isn't afraid to spend money in order to bring a winner to this town?!?Is this really a surprise though? The Cavaliers are making money hand over fist right now. While it is nice to hear, it's not like Gilbert is spending out of his own pocket. Just means he takes in less revenues and has a few less yachts.
by Mr. MacPhisto » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:22 am
Consigliere wrote:Mac, didn't Hughes get a $2M bump for each year of the remainder of his contract for the Cavs winning 48+ games? I recall a thread about that back in Feb/March that was from Windhorst or someone that said Hughes had an incentive clause in his contract that if the Cavs reached a certain win threshold this year, he gets a $2M bump per for the remainder of his contract.
by DarNoor » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:32 pm
by jfiling » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:46 pm
by pup » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:49 pm
by Dozen » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:23 pm
jfiling wrote:Not saying this is a great idea, but doesn't the "Ilgauskas would rather retire than be traded" thing maybe work in the Cavs favor? He's making $11-12 million per year, and if he retired wouldn't that come off the books for free agent signings?I'm just wondering if that money couldn't be used better on one or two free agents, not saying we should do it. In other words, what do you think?
by Dozen » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:28 pm
53. How do retired players count against the cap?Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player has retired. For example, James Worthy retired in 1994, two years before his contract ended. He continued to receive his salary for the 1994-95 and 1995-96 seasons, so his salary was included in the Lakers' team salary in those seasons. It is at the team's discretion (or as the result of an agreement between the team and player) whether to continue to pay the player after he has retired.There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player's entire salary for that season is removed from the team's team salary. For example, in March 2003 the Knicks were allowed to remove Luc Longley's entire 2002-03 salary from their books (and since the luxury tax is based on the team salary as of the last day of the regular season, the Knicks avoided paying any tax on Longley's salary). This provision can also be used when a player dies while under contract.Teams are not allowed to trade for disabled players and then apply for this salary cap relief. Only the team for which the player was playing when he was disabled may request this relief.If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#53
by Mr. MacPhisto » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:35 pm
by jfiling » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:40 pm
by Dozen » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:34 pm
jfiling wrote:I'm confused:It is at the team's discretion (or as the result of an agreement between the team and player) whether to continue to pay the player after he has retired.Assuming that's not a misprint, wouldn't it be up to the Cavs to decide whether or not to pay Z if he retired?At this point, I'm just asking from a hypothetical standpoint, and also to find out if I'm missing something really obvious.
by jb » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:38 pm
Kobe Bryant possibly being traded to Chicago scares the bejesus out of me.
by swerb » Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:24 am
by pod2dawg » Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:40 pm
Swerb wrote:Everything this guy touches turns to gold. He's doing very well financially right now.
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