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by CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:56 am

by jb » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:57 am
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:It was a bit of an obscene charade, no?
by CharacterIV » Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:57 am
by CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:01 am

by jb » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:02 am
by Funky Cold Luis Medina » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:36 am
by jfiling » Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:36 am
jb wrote:any cavs player who feels the neede to suck up needs to go now, like Mo in tweet
# @DaKidLilMo chill homie. He did what's best for him bro. Don't do that. U better than that 36 minutes ago via Echofon in reply to DaKidLilMo
# Well fuck, I gotta be honest. I'm sick ass a dog. I feel like my heart has been pulled out. But I'm happy for my friend. Shittttttttt 43 minutes ago via Echofon
# Congrats to my homie @kingjames. Love u homie. It's been great. about 3 hours ago via Echofon
by Spin » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:02 am

by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:19 am

by jfiling » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:24 am
mogotti2
1. I'm still can't believe he gone y'all. 4real no bs. I think we all took it for granted and thought it was a nobrainer and he was resighning half a minute ago via Echofon
2. We got to step it up now that's all. We will be good next year. And hearing our owner keeps me convinced. 2 minutes ago via Echofon
3. The night of the unexpected. Who am I kidding 3 minutes ago via Echofon
4. I know we all angry, mad, disappointed. But remember that's a triple double walking. Let's pray he have a change of heart 2nite. It is the 4 minutes ago via Echofon
5. But we will make it thru. Fuuuuuuuuck 31 minutes ago via Echofon
6. To have played with such a special player. We were so damn close. So damn close now we have taken leaps and bounds backwards. This will be 31 minutes ago via Echofon
7. It in cle a whole lot more. But I have no idea what went on behind closed doors but I can sit here today and say that I am truly blessed 32 minutes ago via Echofon
8. Love u bron and always will. I knowu made your decision for the rt reason but we could have got it done here and u would have enjoyed 33 minutes ago via Echofon
9. Never see this again. 34 minutes ago via Echofon
10. On national tv. But this was history so we might not understand the magnitude today. But when we look back on this, we might not 35 minutes ago via Echofon
11. The only thing, and I mean the only thing I disagree with is.... If he knew somewhere else was the destination. He should have spared cle 37 minutes ago via Echofon
12. I can't believe this is really real. This is surreal. So many emotions on one man decision. I wonder what is our next move. 41 minutes ago via Echofon
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:25 am

by Spin » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:30 am
by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:30 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Oh and just look at Wade's comments on the matter, trust that most of the players in tAssociation feel the same:
"I think I'm happy that I have the owner that I have here in Miami," Wade told The Associated Press late Thursday night. "I'm happy Micky Arison is my owner. I couldn't believe it. I'm speechless. It's very unfortunate and I think it makes LeBron that much better about his decision.
-Wade
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:32 am

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:41 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Hiko, if you think most every star in the NBA isn't thankful they don't have an owner that would do this you are on crack.
Wade's comments are not surprising, but they ring true.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:44 am

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:50 am
e0y2e3 wrote:A. When has Cuban personally attacked a player, because I'd love to see it
B. If you want NFL level mediocrity be my guest, we were able to offer $30MM more and lost a player because we built a sub-par team. That's fair to me.
C. Really, that is your argument. The only FA's we have missed out on in the LBJ era stayed home for the extra $30MM or wouldn't sign long term because LBJ wouldn't commit and they had offers from contenders. We have never been in a situation where we had young talent and a chance to reup a stud. If you put those things together you keep the LBJ's and KD's of the world. Bosh spurned us to go to South Beach w/ Wade, so what, that says nothing about the fact that talent and winning attracts Free Agents.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:53 am

by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:55 am

by Triple-S » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:56 am
Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:05 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Bosh had his sit down w/ Wade and LBJ and made his decision.
I'll give you this, in the future if a FA has the opportunity to go to South Beach w/ a star and Pat Riley or come to Cleveland w/ LBJ (maybe, we have no idea if LBJ even actually tried to sell him or that was just spin) he may choose the former.
Even w/ Bosh our roster had plenty of holes.
I editted for you dropping examples.
I hate the NFL system, you like it, whatever, this is the first time on record a FA of LBJ's caliber has dropped the $30MM. But, you sort of follow this stuff so you know.
And again, Cuban calling out a player for a playoff series against his team is totally different then enabling a star and then ripping him publicly when he turns down your offer. Apples and oranges. Employee versus competitor.
by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:08 am
e0y2e3 wrote:And just for shits and giggles, Kevin Durant, Michael Redd, Chauncy Billups, etc.....
Money, young talent and the chance for rings wins out 99.999999999% of the time.
The Browns are the biggest joke in the NFL but because Lerner has thrown big money at people they have signed there. So goes the sports world.
Stop being a self loathing Clevelander for a minute.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:08 am

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:08 am
Triple-S wrote:Was curious, if this was indeed set up like the NFL, how different would the league look right now?
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:10 am
Hikohadon wrote:Triple-S wrote:Was curious, if this was indeed set up like the NFL, how different would the league look right now?
LeBron would be bitching about having the Franchise Tag slapped on him.

by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:12 am
Hikohadon wrote:Soon enough, Gilbert's comments will be forgotten or conveniently ignored IF he can turn the Cavs into a winning team AND pay the players the way they want to be paid, same as Cuban's comments are.

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:12 am
e0y2e3 wrote:As I said, Ariza said point blank he wouldn't come because of LBJ and Artest took less money for a ring.
Bosh is the only example of a player spurning Cleveland when presented a golden opportunity, it, the only one.
The others, Ray Allen and Michael Redd stayed for the extra $30MM and, ironicly w/ how they have aged they would not have sniffed that $30MM had they not taken it.
This notion that FA's hate Cleveland is absurd, they follow the money and the chance for ring sometimes one overrules the other. It isn't about winter or Cleveland.
You can have Chris Bosh, I'll take the rest of the decade in the NBA.
by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:13 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Hikohadon wrote:Triple-S wrote:Was curious, if this was indeed set up like the NFL, how different would the league look right now?
LeBron would be bitching about having the Franchise Tag slapped on him.
And then the Cavs would have to surround him w/ an even gagglier collection of scrubs because he would eat the entire cap and we could be promised playoffs annually that feature sub-par talent committing turnovers and penalties like a high school team.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:14 am
Hikohadon wrote:The only point that I was trying to make is that the Free Agents that already weren't coming here won't extra not come here because the owner is mouthy. And if Free Agents truly follow winning and money, then they'll come here if Gilbert can provide either or both, no matter what he said.

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:15 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Hikohadon wrote:Soon enough, Gilbert's comments will be forgotten or conveniently ignored IF he can turn the Cavs into a winning team AND pay the players the way they want to be paid, same as Cuban's comments are.
Agents never forget.
Cubans comments were never in the ballpark of Gilberts.
And hell, even Cuban has learned that he had to start shutting the fuck up to win.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:16 am
Hikohadon wrote:
Which would be inferior to losing him with zero compensation in what way?

by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:17 am

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:17 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Hikohadon wrote:The only point that I was trying to make is that the Free Agents that already weren't coming here won't extra not come here because the owner is mouthy. And if Free Agents truly follow winning and money, then they'll come here if Gilbert can provide either or both, no matter what he said.
When peeps are looking at big fat offers from Fortune 100 companies spread about different locales the idea of working for a hot head who will knife you in the back can be a pretty intense turn off.
by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:18 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Hikohadon wrote:
Which would be inferior to losing him with zero compensation in what way?
Well, he could have just followed the NFL superstar model and demanded a trade as well.
Of course, we could have Sign and Traded him in this situation, but Gilbert didn't want to give him the satisfaction.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:19 am
Hikohadon wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:Hikohadon wrote:
Which would be inferior to losing him with zero compensation in what way?
Well, he could have just followed the NFL superstar model and demanded a trade as well.
Of course, we could have Sign and Traded him in this situation, but Gilbert didn't want to give him the satisfaction.
And then the team could have followed the NFL front office model and told him to go fuck himself.

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:20 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Oh and not to mention that Gilbert acting like a five year old also did LBJ the favor of getting the national spotlight and heat taken off of him.
by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:21 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Hikohadon wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:Hikohadon wrote:
Which would be inferior to losing him with zero compensation in what way?
Well, he could have just followed the NFL superstar model and demanded a trade as well.
Of course, we could have Sign and Traded him in this situation, but Gilbert didn't want to give him the satisfaction.
And then the team could have followed the NFL front office model and told him to go fuck himself.
Yep, then lost him for nothing next year.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:22 am

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:27 am
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:27 am

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:29 am
e0y2e3 wrote:And, of course, I am just singling this out as another symptom of Gilbert having no control over his emotions when it comes to running this franchise. He hasn't shown the ability to live up to his promise in anyway and has shown himself to be nothing more then a reactionary and emotionally spastic owner that lacks long term vision.
by e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:35 am
Hikohadon wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:And, of course, I am just singling this out as another symptom of Gilbert having no control over his emotions when it comes to running this franchise. He hasn't shown the ability to live up to his promise in anyway and has shown himself to be nothing more then a reactionary and emotionally spastic owner that lacks long term vision.
Regardless of your feeling about him, I would hope that he learned an important lesson from all of this. I don't care if he's emotional if he makes the right decisions. They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:37 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Hikohadon wrote:e0y2e3 wrote:And, of course, I am just singling this out as another symptom of Gilbert having no control over his emotions when it comes to running this franchise. He hasn't shown the ability to live up to his promise in anyway and has shown himself to be nothing more then a reactionary and emotionally spastic owner that lacks long term vision.
Regardless of your feeling about him, I would hope that he learned an important lesson from all of this. I don't care if he's emotional if he makes the right decisions. They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
Up to this point he hasn't once made the right decisions and his decisions have all been dictated by emotions, that is my point.
Sure there is hope he learned from this, but I doubt it.
by Hikohadon » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:44 am
e0y2e3 wrote:Two years in a row is the max I thought, and either way after the next CBA it will be one.
by British_Pharaoh » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:58 am

by British_Pharaoh » Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:04 am
CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:This letter destroys any chance of LeBron waking up in the morning and saying "Fuck. My bad. I really shouda stayed. That contract's not finalized yet, is it?"

by Fire Marshall Bill » Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:07 am
by waborat » Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:19 am
peeker643 wrote:
Tonight he's one of us. Hopefully in a week he's not.
by pup » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:21 am
by leadpipe » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:47 am
pup wrote:Eoy - If you can't see Gilbert's letter as a reaction to "The Decision" rather a reaction to the decision itself, then you are as most have painted you. Nothing more than a bored nothing better to do with more time than you know what to do with that hunts around, reads a bunch of info and the regurgitates it anywhere your attitude hasn't run you from.
Had The Princess done this like everyone else, and simply held a press conference in his new city, and said I think Miami gives me the best shot to win, there would not be a peep around, including Dan Gilbert, who could attack him. Plenty could not agree, but nothing to the level that it is today. Had he had the decency to make a phone call to Dan Gilbert, a man who has gone over the top and out of his way to make LeBron as happy as possible over the years, and not have him find out the way he did, that letter would be completely different.
At the end of the day, James chose what he thought was an attempt at winning over money. Sucks for us. But nothing to be taken to the woodshed for. In most circles, he should be getting commended for it. We bitch about CC and Thome and Belle and the likes, and what he did should be refreshing. Instead, he is being almost universally killed today. Should tell ya something.
But no, The Princess got her way. Now he can take it like his old lady.
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