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Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby swerb » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:09 pm

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby CharacterIV » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:30 pm

Saw this one coming a mile away, and that's where it'll end for the Knicks. No Wade, no Johnson, no Bosh, and no LeBron. Hope Amar'e is worth two tanked seasons and a gutted roster to the ever-faithful New York Knicks fans. Amar'e, soon to be the quintessential player putting up monster numbers on a bad team.

Anyone up for some Knick win total prognostication? (Barring the worst event in the world happening, LeBron taking leave of his senses.)
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby ajunior148 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:52 pm

I don't think this is as bad a move as most probably do. Danilo paired with Amare will prove to be two very gifted forwards in D'Antoni's offense, and Chandler will be solid for them as their first forward off the bench. They still need a defensive big man and a guard, but this is a solid first start in an off season where we will see at least one and probably two teams with massive cap room strike out.

If they can turn Lee into another good player, preferably at guard, they could be in very good shape.
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:12 pm

If the Knicks can flip for Agent Zero Common Sense, then it won't be a horribad offseason. They won't be serious contenders, but a playoff team that'll be entertaining to watch is light years ahead of what they've been the past decade.
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby CharacterIV » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:21 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:If the Knicks can flip for Agent Zero Common Sense, then it won't be a horribad offseason. They won't be serious contenders, but a playoff team that'll be entertaining to watch is light years ahead of what they've been the past decade.


Yes, I'd say Gilbert Arenas under the scrutiny of the NYC media will certainly be entertaining.

Inevitably better with Amar'e and other moves, but I am praying for the vindication of Knick fans' sugarplum visions of LBJ, Bosh and Wade lighting up MSG shattering to pieces.
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:38 pm

So, can anyone tell me what Gil did in terms of his craziness to ever hurt his on the court game beyond this Dec?
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby jb » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:13 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:So, can anyone tell me what Gil did in terms of his craziness to ever hurt his on the court game beyond this Dec?



Not the head but the knee.
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby ajunior148 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:19 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:So, can anyone tell me what Gil did in terms of his craziness to ever hurt his on the court game beyond this Dec?


I have no idea what your point is, but he did do this in January.

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Not sure what that has to do with the Knicks, though.
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:27 pm

jb wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:So, can anyone tell me what Gil did in terms of his craziness to ever hurt his on the court game beyond this Dec?



Not the head but the knee.


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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby RickNashEquilibrium » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:01 am

That team is going to be an epic joke without a GOOD point guard. I don't care what forwards they put out there, but without a premier ball-handler distributing in that offense, its going to be more of the same for D'Antoni and that poor excuse of a team playing in MSG.

For the record, I would take Gil in a heartbeat as long as his knee was up to snuff. The rest is just completely overblown and could imagine this happening a lot more than any insiders would say or regular folks suspect. JMHO.
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Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:10 am

I'm gonna be curious to see how Amare does playing a majority of his games against the East and their bigger front courts.
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby RickNashEquilibrium » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:25 am

Larvell Blanks wrote:I'm gonna be curious to see how Amare does playing a majority of his games against the East and their bigger front courts.


That and getting the rock fed to him by the 3-headed monster of Chris Duhon, Eddie House, and Sergio Rodriguez.

Amare: "Catch ball from Steve Nash and finish at rim very very good. Create own space with post moves and smarts very bad."
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby swerb » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:42 am

Yeah ... combination of leaving Nash, prior microfracture surgery, and fact he doesn't play D and is going to the league's worst defensive team ... I'd be shocked if they get their money's worth on this one.
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby pup » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:48 am

Is he really an upgrade over David Lee?
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:53 am

pup wrote:Is he really an upgrade over David Lee?



For New York, yeah. They wanted the star power as much as the player. David Lee is good (though if possible, he might play slightly worse defense than Amare) but Amare has the ability to put butts in the seats even on a bad team, which this will almost certainly be.
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Unread postby swerb » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:03 am

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:
pup wrote:Is he really an upgrade over David Lee?



For New York, yeah. They wanted the star power as much as the player. David Lee is good (though if possible, he might play slightly worse defense than Amare) but Amare has the ability to put butts in the seats even on a bad team, which this will almost certainly be.

Don't the Knicks draw well even when they suck though?

Question Pup should have asked - if they attract no other big name FA ... is this a major upgrade to Lee? Lee plays no D whatsoever either though. Lee was 20 & 12 last year ... Amare was 23 and 9. Also, Suns scored over 110 ppg last year, Bricks were down at 102 ppg ... so it's not like Amare is going to a much more fast paced O with a lot more possessions per game.
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Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:07 am

RickNashEquilibrium wrote:
Larvell Blanks wrote:I'm gonna be curious to see how Amare does playing a majority of his games against the East and their bigger front courts.


That and getting the rock fed to him by the 3-headed monster of Chris Duhon, Eddie House, and Sergio Rodriguez. Amare: "Catch ball from Steve Nash and finish at rim very very good. Create own space with post moves and smarts very bad."


Make that a 2 headed monster

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5357340

Free agent point guard Chris Duhon agreed to a four year, $15 million dollar contract with the Orlando Magic, his agent, Kevin Bradbury, told ESPN.com.


So does this open up Tony Parker to go to NY since Amare has spoken to him?
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby CP » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:16 am

swerb wrote:Yeah ... combination of leaving Nash, prior microfracture surgery, and fact he doesn't play D and is going to the league's worst defensive team ... I'd be shocked if they get their money's worth on this one.


On the court, they will not get their money's worth. Off the court, they'll probably do OK. He at least gives them a legit All-Star player with some buzz to his name and is more marketable than his predecessor, David Lee.
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby jb » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:23 am

swerb wrote:
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:
pup wrote:Is he really an upgrade over David Lee?



For New York, yeah. They wanted the star power as much as the player. David Lee is good (though if possible, he might play slightly worse defense than Amare) but Amare has the ability to put butts in the seats even on a bad team, which this will almost certainly be.

Don't the Knicks draw well even when they suck though?

Question Pup should have asked - if they attract no other big name FA ... is this a major upgrade to Lee? Lee plays no D whatsoever either though. Lee was 20 & 12 last year ... Amare was 23 and 9. Also, Suns scored over 110 ppg last year, Bricks were down at 102 ppg ... so it's not like Amare is going to a much more fast paced O with a lot more possessions per game.


At the risk of inspiring a flmaethrower my way, I don't even know if STAT and Bosh are what woul normally be considered "max" FA's. They aren't Bron and D wade. They are in the right place at the right time (let alone Johnson).

They are very good players. They are not "great". Bosh couldn't lift T-town to do jack squat and Amar'e's knees is what it is.


Neither blow me away.

Upgrade over Le? You bectha. At opportunity cost and expectations? No way.

In two year sthe biggest story will be the non-impact the sumer of 2010 made on the Assocation. One guy isn't the way to go unless it is a bona fide MVP type candidate.
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:34 am

I think NY was desperate to upgrade in a way that MIGHT induce a guy like LBJ or Wade to more strongly consider NYC. If one of them does consider NYC and ends up there because Amare went (and I doubt they do) then Amare was well worth the max. I think you'll better be able to gauge Amare's value based on whether it induces anyone else to play with him in NYC.

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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:38 am

From what people out west said, there was hope for Sergio Rodriguez....he could eventually turn into a serviceable bench rotation guard. Back court is a disaster in NY though.

He'll never live to carry Gorin Dragic's jock, though...Amar'e was much better suited staying in Phoenix to keep his previous numbers. I liked the tweet (think it was simmons) that said that clearly the Knicks didn't watch what happened to Shawn Marion when he left the Steve Nash circle of trust.

The rip on Gilbert going forward isn't his ability to put the ball in the hoop; he's always been a fantastic shooter with decent handles. The fear is that the knee injury is going to quickly erode what remains of his lateral quickness, and he wont be able to d up ANYONE. He was already the worst rated defensive PG in the league last year, wasn't great before that, and is creeping up the wrong side of his peak.

The head thing doesn't bother me, until he brought the guns in, he was one of the most entertaining guys in hoop. "Quit watching me watching you watching me"
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby aoxo1 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:39 am

Going to quickly erode? What is this, 2008?
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Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:23 pm

Gilbert arenas lateral quickness
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Re: Amar'e the First Domino to Fall

Unread postby Orenthal » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:04 pm

Spanish Chocolate went back to Europe.

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