Cavs/Celtics Game 6

[Triple-S]

Ohio state is not a cleveland team.

You should come visit Cleveland some time. Preferably during the fall.

by that definition the Steelers are a cleveland team.

I mean, don't get me wrong, Madre, I love Tressel and the mean of the scarlet and grey (from September to January( as much as the next guy, but I don't consider them a "cleveland" team.

[noles1]

Make sure you shake all their hands, LBJ. Cement that legacy. Oooh and hugs too, nice touch.

No shit.

Hell, give em a kiss while you'll at it too. Jesus. That end of th game scene and the jersey takeoff and everything, it seemed like Bron was relieved at this point. Shocking.

I'll say this, that guy is gone, gone, gone.

Chicago or New York. Guaranteed.

Indians may enjoy the attendance boost in the coming years...

Oh fuck you.

He doesn't shake he gets killed.

Hr shows c;ass you kill him.

Red fucking herrings you retards

Fuck that, JB.

I ain't and NEVER been in that crowd.

Pure BS. The end of that game was a crock of shit and gutless. Can't defend it. Period. Pure shit by everyone. That was an F-You to Mike Brown at the very least. Bron after that was pathetic with his shit.

[Ziner]

I feel sick. Expand later... discussing Business Ethics... gag me.

[waborat]

Who is starting the official Roker axe watch thread

His shits already been sent out in a yellow cab...

His security clearance is no more...

Door's locked

[Doc]

Weakest 27/19/10 ever?

[waborat]

Weakest 27/19/10 ever?

Be even worse if he was a model

[JJN]

Couldn't care less right now, not letting this get to me like last year. Don't want to hear a word about the Cavs until LBJ decides where he is going. Honestly, might not want to know when that happens either.

[Orenthal]

Make sure you shake all their hands, LBJ. Cement that legacy. Oooh and hugs too, nice touch.

No shit.

Hell, give em a kiss while you'll at it too. Jesus. That end of th game scene and the jersey takeoff and everything, it seemed like Bron was relieved at this point. Shocking.

I'll say this, that guy is gone, gone, gone.

Chicago or New York. Guaranteed.

Indians may enjoy the attendance boost in the coming years...

Oh fuck you.

He doesn't shake he gets killed.

Hr shows c;ass you kill him.

Red fucking herrings you retards

Thank you jb. I gotta lay low for a minute. Lot's here had too much to drink. You'd think the Cleveland sports history live or in montage form, would be enough to desensitize...

[Ziner]

Weakest 27/19/10 ever?

You mean 27/19/10/9

At least he showed up tonight. More than we can say about Jamison. Pussy

[papacass]

Ohio state is not a cleveland team.

You should come visit Cleveland some time. Preferably during the fall.

OSU has a huge Cleveland fan base, but it's not a Cleveland team. If Cincinnati can share equally in the celebration, it's not a Cleveland team. And it's college. There's that, too.

[noles1]

Weakest 27/19/10 ever?

Hey, give him credit... he had 9 turnovers too that probably led to 16 pts. too!

Lost in this though is that Jamo sucked about as bad as one could suck! Anyone re-thinking that Amare deal now??? Jesus Christ.

[aoxo1]

Jamison was the worst player on the floor this series.

[Ziner]

Weakest 27/19/10 ever?

Hey, give him credit... he had 9 turnovers too that probably led to 16 pts. too!

Lost in this though is that Jamo sucked about as bad as one could suck! Anyone re-thinking that Amare deal now??? Jesus Christ.

or low balling the shit out of GS for S. Jackson

[aoxo1]

It's no wonder he has always been on shitty, shitty teams. Who would have thought the reason the Wiz had any modicum of success was Gil?

[Orenthal]

Same old, same old on offense; lots of 1 man dribbling while otherwise useful guys, who have proven it on other teams, are relagated to watching at the three point line. No more complicated then that. Roker not being fired is the only thing that would put me through the roof, I am too apathetic to the rest of the drama.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Ohio state is not a cleveland team.

You should come visit Cleveland some time. Preferably during the fall.

OSU has a huge Cleveland fan base, but it's not a Cleveland team. If Cincinnati can share equally in the celebration, it's not a Cleveland team. And it's college. There's that, too.

Implying there's no Cavs fan in Cincy.

Implying a College NT doesn't as much as a Pro title.

Implying implying implying.

[aoxo1]

Same old, same old on offense; lots of 1 man dribbling while otherwise useful guys, who have proven it on other teams, are relagated to watching at the three point line. No more complicated then that. Roker not being fired is the only thing that would put me through the roof, I am too apathetic to the rest of the drama.

Truth.

[RIBrownsFan]

The cast just wasn't good enough again. Between Deer in the headlights Jamison, Shaq's corpse, and One Game a Series Mo, they just weren't what we all hoped for or what they were advertised as.

If he stays, there will be better days. If he goes, then I'll be enjoying cheaper tickets at the Q again.

[Cease]

You ever notice how every time a Cleveland team has a chance to win a championship, something always thwarts them, without fail?

Um, yes.

[waborat]

If he stays, there will be better days. If he goes, then I'll be enjoying cheaper tickets at the Q again.

Only if you go see a Monsters' game...

When's the last time you remember a professional sport's team lowering prices?

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

Same old, same old on offense; lots of 1 man dribbling while otherwise useful guys, who have proven it on other teams, are relagated to watching at the three point line. No more complicated then that. Roker not being fired is the only thing that would put me through the roof, I am too apathetic to the rest of the drama.

Doc Rivers is merrily chugging away at ring #2.

Not sayin' Roker doesn't deserve the door, but this goes beyond Xs and Os and not having Kuenster around to save the offense's bacon.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

If he stays, there will be better days. If he goes, then I'll be enjoying cheaper tickets at the Q again.

Only if you go see a Monsters' game...

When's the last time you remember a professional sport's team lowering prices?

I hear the Monsters are pretty expensive too.

[papacass]

Roker is gone, Ferry might be gone part-and-parcel style. Shaq is gone. Z is gone. I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

Bron is coming back. There is six weeks of lag time to free agency. It's not like he's going to storm off in a huff and sign with the Knicks tomorrow.

The sting will subside, cooler heads will prevail, and Bron will make the right decision. Which is to not leave up-front money on the table with the CBA set to expire after next season.

As for legacy and titles? Screw that for right now. If the King himself can't guarantee that he's going to show up title-ready in the playoffs, he needs to concentrate on what he can control. And what he can control is accepting the offer that pays the most money.

[e0y2e3]

Same old, same old on offense; lots of 1 man dribbling while otherwise useful guys, who have proven it on other teams, are relagated to watching at the three point line. No more complicated then that. Roker not being fired is the only thing that would put me through the roof, I am too apathetic to the rest of the drama.

Doc Rivers is merrily chugging away at ring #2.

Not sayin' Roker doesn't deserve the door, but this goes beyond Xs and Os and not having Kuenster around to save the offense's bacon.

And Doc Rivers is riding the coat tails of a guy widely considered the best D coordinator in the league.

All Doc has to do to coach that team is keep the egos in check, nothing more.

Honestly, WTF are you trying to get at here. Guys that have produced elsewhere don't here, rotations get jacked around for no logical reason, etc.

We've loaded, changed, and done everything w/ this roster. There are two variables left to change, coach and LBJ. I know which one I want changed.

[RIBrownsFan]

If he stays, there will be better days. If he goes, then I'll be enjoying cheaper tickets at the Q again.

Only if you go see a Monsters' game...

When's the last time you remember a professional sport's team lowering prices?

Plenty of teams have done it recently. The Oakland A's and Detroit Lions among others. If he leaves and the Cavs are back into DaJuan Wagner "Get Close" mode, then they're not going to have a choice...

[Gradysmanldy]

Ouch. Im numb, I think game 5 set me up for what was coming. At least Lebron gave it an effort, although that was still the exact same Lebron we saw the rest of the series, minus some physicality. (IE, someone completely different from what were used to seeing)

[e0y2e3]

I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

No one is taking the Mo or Jamo contracts and you almost have to resign Shaq if you cannot find another center for the mid-level.

This roster is pretty much locked in for next year, if LBJ stays. If he goes you dump the useful players for draft picks.

[JoJo White]

I guess this is all the championship swag we'll get. Again.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

And Doc Rivers is riding the coat tails of a guy widely considered the best D coordinator in the league.

Which was Roker's title up until he got elevated to head coach.

All Doc has to do to coach that team is keep the egos in check, nothing more.

Ding.

Does Roker coach Rondo up into a series MVP? Does he keep everybody focused on winning instead of wondering what happens in July?

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Roker is gone, Ferry might be gone part-and-parcel style. Shaq is gone. Z is gone. I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

Bron is coming back. There is six weeks of lag time to free agency. It's not like he's going to storm off in a huff and sign with the Knicks tomorrow.

The sting will subside, cooler heads will prevail, and Bron will make the right decision. Which is to not leave up-front money on the table with the CBA set to expire after next season.

As for legacy and titles? Screw that for right now. If the King himself can't guarantee that he's going to show up title-ready in the playoffs, he needs to concentrate on what he can control. And what he can control is accepting the offer that pays the most money.

You really think he's coming back?

[Orenthal]

Same old, same old on offense; lots of 1 man dribbling while otherwise useful guys, who have proven it on other teams, are relagated to watching at the three point line. No more complicated then that. Roker not being fired is the only thing that would put me through the roof, I am too apathetic to the rest of the drama.

Doc Rivers is merrily chugging away at ring #2.

Not sayin' Roker doesn't deserve the door, but this goes beyond Xs and Os and not having Kuenster around to save the offense's bacon.

I'll give you Doc, but his circumstances are pretty unique. Larry Brown, Phil Jackson, Popovich, Pat Riley, Rudy T., Chuck Daley, Doc Rivers.

I think it isn't hard to see the outlier...

Not that that is the only problem, lord knows I don't want to get flamed in the aftermath...

[papacass]

Ohio state is not a cleveland team.

You should come visit Cleveland some time. Preferably during the fall.

OSU has a huge Cleveland fan base, but it's not a Cleveland team. If Cincinnati can share equally in the celebration, it's not a Cleveland team. And it's college. There's that, too.

Implying there's no Cavs fan in Cincy.

Implying a College NT doesn't as much as a Pro title.

Implying implying implying.

There are no Cavs fans in Cincy. They mostly hate the NBA down there, and if they do like a team, it's probably the Celtics, Bulls or Pacers.

College titles mean more in Tuscaloosa and Gainesville. In Cleveland, they don't.

[RIBrownsFan]

I guess this is all the championship swag we'll get. Again.

and for the benefit of CDT, it'll be discounted, too!

[e0y2e3]

And Doc Rivers is riding the coat tails of a guy widely considered the best D coordinator in the league.

Which was Roker's title up until he got elevated to head coach.

All Doc has to do to coach that team is keep the egos in check, nothing more.

Ding.

Does Roker coach Rondo up into a series MVP? Does he keep everybody focused on winning instead of wondering what happens in July?

Roker never, ever ever ever ever was as widely respected as Thibodeau. Not even close.

And wtf, first you say this goes beyond X's and O's and try to alleviate Roker of the blame then you place the blame on him as an ego checker? Make up your mind. Kuester installed the O last year but didn't call the O, that was all Roker. Roker has called the X's and O's for this team forever and they have been crap. His D the last two post seasons has been beyond troubling and his O has continued to suck.

So if you want to say it is X's and O's and letting your team fall apart at the seems chemistry wise, be my guest.

But don't pretend like this is a built in roster issue.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Ohio state is not a cleveland team.

You should come visit Cleveland some time. Preferably during the fall.

OSU has a huge Cleveland fan base, but it's not a Cleveland team. If Cincinnati can share equally in the celebration, it's not a Cleveland team. And it's college. There's that, too.

Implying there's no Cavs fan in Cincy.

Implying a College NT doesn't as much as a Pro title.

Implying implying implying.

There are no Cavs fans in Cincy. They mostly hate the NBA down there, and if they do like a team, it's probably the Celtics, Bulls or Pacers.

College titles mean more in Tuscaloosa and Gainesville. In Cleveland, they don't.

Well it should. OSU is the only hope for a title right now.

[Orenthal]

I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

No one is taking the Mo or Jamo contracts and you almost have to resign Shaq if you cannot find another center for the mid-level.

This roster is pretty much locked in for next year, if LBJ stays. If he goes you dump the useful players for draft picks.

The talent is there, time for a top flight coach that does not have a problem checking his superstar. No more pandering to LeBron, if he stays I am sure he will accept it, he will have too.

[CP]

LeBron will have even more say because his ironclast grip on Gilbert's future earning potential has been lead-reinforced.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

No one is taking the Mo or Jamo contracts and you almost have to resign Shaq if you cannot find another center for the mid-level.

This roster is pretty much locked in for next year, if LBJ stays. If he goes you dump the useful players for draft picks.

The talent is there, time for a top flight coach that does not have a problem checking his superstar. No more pandering to LeBron, if he stays I am sure he will accept it, he will have too.

What top flight coach do you see out there?

[Orenthal]

And Doc Rivers is riding the coat tails of a guy widely considered the best D coordinator in the league.

Which was Roker's title up until he got elevated to head coach.

All Doc has to do to coach that team is keep the egos in check, nothing more.

Ding.

Does Roker coach Rondo up into a series MVP? Does he keep everybody focused on winning instead of wondering what happens in July?

It can't not be about X's and O's, while Rivers gets the kudos for keeping the ego's in check, when that was one of the few attributes that Roker has been given credit for.

So far it looks like both his vaunted strengths, defense and being a player's coach, have proven woefully misplaced come playoff time.

[JoJo White]

I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

No one is taking the Mo or Jamo contracts and you almost have to resign Shaq if you cannot find another center for the mid-level.

This roster is pretty much locked in for next year, if LBJ stays. If he goes you dump the useful players for draft picks.

The talent is there, time for a top flight coach that does not have a problem checking his superstar. No more pandering to LeBron, if he stays I am sure he will accept it, he will have too.

What top flight coach do you see out there?

Mike Dunleavy.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

No one is taking the Mo or Jamo contracts and you almost have to resign Shaq if you cannot find another center for the mid-level.

This roster is pretty much locked in for next year, if LBJ stays. If he goes you dump the useful players for draft picks.

The talent is there, time for a top flight coach that does not have a problem checking his superstar. No more pandering to LeBron, if he stays I am sure he will accept it, he will have too.

What top flight coach do you see out there?

Mike Dunleavy.

FUDU just came.

[papacass]

Roker is gone, Ferry might be gone part-and-parcel style. Shaq is gone. Z is gone. I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

Bron is coming back. There is six weeks of lag time to free agency. It's not like he's going to storm off in a huff and sign with the Knicks tomorrow.

The sting will subside, cooler heads will prevail, and Bron will make the right decision. Which is to not leave up-front money on the table with the CBA set to expire after next season.

As for legacy and titles? Screw that for right now. If the King himself can't guarantee that he's going to show up title-ready in the playoffs, he needs to concentrate on what he can control. And what he can control is accepting the offer that pays the most money.

You really think he's coming back?

This is not going to be an emotional decision rooted in bitterness for LeBron. It's going to be about money. And while other teams can show LeBron how he might make more money in New York or Chicago or wherever, the Cavs can show him how he WILL make the most money.

LeBron might consider all these other scenarios and shell-gaming, but in the end, I think he comes back to the highest offer. Which is what the Cavs will have.

[e0y2e3]

Chad Ford already says three GM's told him they strongly believe LBJ ends up in Chicago.

It makes the most sense, that much I know.

[Orenthal]

I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

No one is taking the Mo or Jamo contracts and you almost have to resign Shaq if you cannot find another center for the mid-level.

This roster is pretty much locked in for next year, if LBJ stays. If he goes you dump the useful players for draft picks.

The talent is there, time for a top flight coach that does not have a problem checking his superstar. No more pandering to LeBron, if he stays I am sure he will accept it, he will have too.

What top flight coach do you see out there?

I'm haven't really looked, but know my opinion of Roker's status would not change much. I know Larry Brown aid he would never coach for anybody but Jordon, but we know Larry Brown and promises. I'd have to do more research once this cools down, but I am 100% sure there is a better option then Roker.

Your favorite coach Jeff Van Gundy is out ther...

btw the guy passing out is me in those emoticons. I'm not a season'd as the rest of you drunks...

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Roker is gone, Ferry might be gone part-and-parcel style. Shaq is gone. Z is gone. I think Mo should be gone in exchange for an actual PG.

Bron is coming back. There is six weeks of lag time to free agency. It's not like he's going to storm off in a huff and sign with the Knicks tomorrow.

The sting will subside, cooler heads will prevail, and Bron will make the right decision. Which is to not leave up-front money on the table with the CBA set to expire after next season.

As for legacy and titles? Screw that for right now. If the King himself can't guarantee that he's going to show up title-ready in the playoffs, he needs to concentrate on what he can control. And what he can control is accepting the offer that pays the most money.

You really think he's coming back?

This is not going to be an emotional decision rooted in bitterness for LeBron. It's going to be about money. And while other teams can show LeBron how he might make more money in New York or Chicago or wherever, the Cavs can show him how he WILL make the most money.

LeBron might consider all these other scenarios and shell-gaming, but in the end, I think he comes back to the highest offer. Which is what the Cavs will have.

Man, I hope you're right.

[Lebowski]

What top flight coach do you see out there?

Ron Jeremy's brother.

[e0y2e3]

JVG actually strikes me as a viable option considering the names available. Beyond him you're looking at the Lawrence Frank and Avery Johnson's of the world.

Hell see if the corpse of Hubie wants to coach for a year or two.

Sucks this isn't one of those off-seasons w/ an Adelman and Carlyle available.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

And wtf, first you say this goes beyond X's and O's and try to alleviate Roker of the blame then you place the blame on him as an ego checker?

You misread me, I wasn't alleviating Roker of anything.

[papacass]

Offer full control of basketball ops to Gregg Popovich.

[noles1]

Chad Ford already says three GM's told him they strongly believe LBJ ends up in Chicago.

It makes the most sense, that much I know.

If I was betting I would put it on Chicago.

Chicago 60% NYC 35% Cleveland 5%

That's my breakdown when all said and done. Look at the rosters. It's nearly plain as day at this point, IMO.