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by Goozer » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:26 pm
by neoleo » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:26 pm
Orenthal wrote:Said the deal is an obvious steal for the Cavaliers. Z being brought back making the deal JJ for Amare. Has no concerns of a personal problem between Shaq and Amare, just the fact they did not mesh well in PHO. Will Amare "fit in" like Shaq has and be a piece of a championship team, or will he be more concerned about getting his looks and a max deal. Windy sees the deal as high risk/high reward due to that concern. He likes Jamo better for this season, but understands that if Amare buys in it is by far a better talent deal for the Cavaliers.Cavaliers do not want to trade JJ for a non all star that has more money left on thier deal. Amare continues the flexibility that Ferry craves and is an all star...
by aoxo1 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:27 pm
Goozer wrote:Windy:- To get max contract, risk is definitely there that STAT would not buy in to being a 4th or (best case) 3rd option on this team
by aoxo1 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:29 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:What about those of you that muck through the crap at RCF. Any noncommittal updates from W&G?
by neoleo » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:31 pm
aoxo1 wrote:Goozer wrote:Windy:- To get max contract, risk is definitely there that STAT would not buy in to being a 4th or (best case) 3rd option on this team Do not understand this. Amare is the #2 option on this team; I guess maybe because it is a midseason acq he might not, but his skills on the offensive end are EASY to fit in. Not exactly hard to get him his points.
by e0y2e3 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:34 pm
by Anglefan » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:36 pm
Goozer wrote:Listen pal.Not only did Windy say what I state above, he has said it repeatedly on about 3-4 different occasions over the last couple of weeks via different venues. When KNR uploads the interview, I ask that you kindly listen to it sans your Windhorst is a pessimist viatrol and hear what he said. Not trying to be an asshole, but getting the facts straight is important.
by e0y2e3 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:41 pm
by Anglefan » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:45 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Windy negative?I mean have you read the Sam Smith's the beat writing world? How about Peter Vescey? Eff even the entire Boston Globe sports section.Windy shoots straight and tries to not lean one way or another. Anyone that calls him negative is just pissed he isn't a pom pom pushing fan, like someone that states openly today LBJ IS RESIGNING WE KNOT THIS DAMNIT! Fans want to hear what they want to hear and Windy tries to only spread the truth. Pom Pom pushers cannot handle it at times.That is straight truth.
by Spin » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:51 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:53 pm
Spin wrote:So, if the trade happens before the All Star Game tonight, will Amare play for the East?
by Anglefan » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:58 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Deal w/ it.
by neoleo » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:00 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Mo Williams will never, ever, in a million years be the second option ahead of STAT unless he is enfuego and is just getting hot shooters touches.Mo is a #3 or #4 ideally on a team and this lets him be that. The real essentials here would be LBJ continuing his 10+ dime a game nights, as once Mo went down and LBJ went into mad distribution mode JJ started getting more and more open touches.That said it is inarguable that there are a lot more people to get touches here then in Phoenix and Nash is not really a first option. He's a pure PG looking to dish then shoot. You know this aoxo.
by tired » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:07 pm
by StewieG » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:16 pm
tired wrote:Guy's what am I missing here ??? I mean what are the chances of Z making it through waivers ??? It seems to me a team that's in the race would pick him up just so he doesn't come back to the Cav's.
by rebelwithoutaclue » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:19 pm
Anglefan wrote:He basically just whined for 20 minutes about how he's not sure if it's a good move. When asked to put a percentage on the likelihood, he just said he spoke to five people yesterday who all said it was going to get done, but he doesn't know. Windy doesn't seem to grasp the fact that this is the Cavs last chance to get an all star caliber player. After Thursday, that's it. We lose our expirings and are already way over the cap for the foreseeable future. So him having admitted that Amare is a better long term solution than Jamison, I don't see why he wouldn't say this is the best move the Cavs can make.
by peeker643 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:21 pm
Anglefan wrote:Goozer wrote:Bull Shit.No, you heard wrong. I don't see how anyone could listen to that and not hear the constant negativity.
Goozer wrote:Bull Shit.
by Anglefan » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:31 pm
by peeker643 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:45 pm
Anglefan wrote:I have no idea what he understands. I understand it and you understand it, so what's the big deal?
by Anglefan » Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:02 pm
by peeker643 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:16 pm
Anglefan wrote:Really seems like you're just looking for something to be confrontational about. I'm a Cavs fan. I want the team to win a lot of championships. If you're really that upset over one sentence that I typed about my opinion about what a beat reporter's perception is, I am SO sorry. There's no reason I should be putting people through that kind of stress.
by peeker643 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:10 pm
by peeker643 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:29 pm
WojYahooNBA If Cavs do Amar'e deal, it would surprise many GMs. Unlike Jamison or Murphy, this would be dramatic change for Cavs. Most expected subtle. 11 minutes ago from web
WojYahooNBA Along those lines, many execs believe Cavs are posturing with Amar'e to get asking prices lowered for Jamison and Murphy. High-stakes poker. 5 minutes ago from web
WojYahooNBA You have to admire this about Cavs organization: Unlike most of NBA, they're always going for it. They spare no expense to win. 17 minutes ago from web
by Orenthal » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:33 pm
by hermanfontenot » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:35 pm
by peeker643 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:37 pm
HermanFontenot wrote:Wojnarowski will cry himself to sleep if this deal goes down.
WojYahooNBA Cavs believe this: The best chance to keep LBJ comes with winning title now. They'll make move they think gives them that chance. 31 minutes ago from webWojYahooNBA As Y! reported Saturday, LeBron is very behind the Amar'e deal; but there's no sense that comes with assurance it alone gets LBJ to re-sign. 41 minutes ago from web
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:48 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:52 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Who is this Wojnarowski guy?
by peeker643 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:00 pm
by jfiling » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:38 pm
by mrburns » Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:13 pm
by JoJo White » Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:20 pm
It will make teams think twice before gambling. What if Z couldn't re-sign with CLE and wound up in, say, BOS backing up Perkins? 3 minutes ago from web If Z gets dealt (anywhere) and returns to Cavs in 30-days, NBA MUST change that rule. No player allowed to return to same team after trade 4 minutes ago from web My point on the 'system' is that the Cavs have played with two natural bigs all season. In PHX, it was one and a bunch of shooters. 12 minutes ago from web I still wouldn't be surprised to see Cavs do a 180 and take another run at Jamison. This could be Ferry trying to scare Wizards price down 16 minutes ago from web RT @Hoopdata: @chrismannixsi Phoenix led the league in OffEff last season. Amare-Shaq offensively worked for them. It worked incredibly ... 18 minutes ago from web Sometimes when you play w/a top defender and a coach who requires D, your own D gets better. May not be Russell, but STAT could get better 18 minutes ago from web Warns though, that STAT won't get a lot of transition buckets. Points out that CLE's running game are one-man breaks with LBJ and Mo-Will. 22 minutes ago from web STAT also gives Cavs option to go LBJ at 4, STAT at 5 against Orlando and get out on shooters and D up Howard on perimeter 23 minutes ago from web Scout also likes STAT's mid-range game. Doesn't have Jamison's range but effective from 15 feet. 24 minutes ago from web Scout told me today he thinks STAT-Shaq can work because Cleveland O designed for 2 bigs, unlike PHX which puts premium on perimeter players 25 minutes ago from web Unlikely STAT commits to Cleveland without knowing LeBron would be a Cav. Otherwise, why leave a cushy situation like Phoenix? 27 minutes ago from web IF Amare deal goes down-one trusted NBA source I talked to isn't so sure it will-AND he signs long term with the CLE, most believe LBJ stays 27 minutes ago from web
by FUDU » Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:27 pm
by comish » Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:29 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:46 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:58 pm
by GreatGoo » Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:22 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Windy does love him some Jamo (in his 30's makes him sound a bit younger than 34):PDcavsinsider: Also, Cavs are not out of it for Jamison. Wiz can look around but not many teams want a guy in his 30s making $27 mill over next 2.PDcavsinsider: It isn't just tough finding a trade partner for Jamison,it would be finding an expiring like Cavs have. WAS could be $12m+ under cap w/deal
by aoxo1 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:45 am
by aoxo1 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:47 am
by Ziner » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:52 am
aoxo1 wrote:BTW, why is Amare's nickname STAT?Please don't tell me it's as stupid as "he gets a lot of stats".
Earned the nickname STAT (Standing Tall and Talented) and has that name tattooed on his right arm
by aoxo1 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:58 am
Ziner wrote:aoxo1 wrote:BTW, why is Amare's nickname STAT?Please don't tell me it's as stupid as "he gets a lot of stats".Earned the nickname STAT (Standing Tall and Talented) and has that name tattooed on his right arm http://www.nba.com/playerfile/amare_stoudemire/bio.html
by Ziner » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:07 am
aoxo1 wrote:Ziner wrote:aoxo1 wrote:BTW, why is Amare's nickname STAT?Please don't tell me it's as stupid as "he gets a lot of stats".Earned the nickname STAT (Standing Tall and Talented) and has that name tattooed on his right arm http://www.nba.com/playerfile/amare_stoudemire/bio.htmlThat is awful.
by davemanddd » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:16 am
by Cleveland Transplant » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:59 am
by rebelwithoutaclue » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:46 am
by Ziner » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:49 am
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nba-notes15-2010feb15,0,2607531.storySays the Cavs have a finalized trade on the back-burner of JJ/Z for Troy Murphy. Don't know how much I believe this but is scares the piss out of me. Wouldn't mind Z straight up for Murphy and JJ/Z for Amare is my first choice. No way in hell would I give up both Z and JJ for Murphy.
by e0y2e3 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:52 am
by papacass » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:53 am
by peeker643 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:57 am
Ziner wrote:rebelwithoutaclue wrote:http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nba-notes15-2010feb15,0,2607531.storySays the Cavs have a finalized trade on the back-burner of JJ/Z for Troy Murphy. Don't know how much I believe this but is scares the piss out of me. Wouldn't mind Z straight up for Murphy and JJ/Z for Amare is my first choice. No way in hell would I give up both Z and JJ for Murphy.Agreed, I cant believe Ferry is dumb enough to trade JJ for Troy Murphy. I wouldnt mind a Wally S&T or Z straight up being bought out, but I would give no talent up for Murphy. I'd rather see him stand pat and take the chance on JJ continuing to develop.
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