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by consigliere » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:20 am
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by Dozen » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:24 am
February 19, 2007Deal or no deal?When it comes to the final days before the trade deadline, things can change drastically in a matter of hours. With that being said, Kings exec Geoff Petrie said Saturday afternoon that there was nothing of significance cooking at that time."Right now, for us, there’s nothing that could be called on the front burner," Petrie said. "I’m not even sure if the stove is turned on."And the prospects for things heating up soon?"We’ll see," he said. "It’s like any deadline, like when you file your taxes you wait until the very last day to get them in there. Right now, there’s nothing of any interest for us."I was told by a source to keep a keen eye on Cleveland, which already had talks with the Kings regarding Mike Bibby that died down quite some time ago. The Cavs wanted point guard Andre Miller from Philadelphia, but Bibby is supposedly high on their list, too. Asked whether a three-team deal might be the more plausible means toward making a move, Petrie said, "Not necessarily. I mean right now we’re at ground zero. (And) the more moving parts you have, the harder it is to get things done in general."- Sam Amickhttp://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm
by swerb » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:34 am
Lead Pipe wrote:Lastly, someone has stuck me with the tagline/avatar "Ted Stepien fan Club" I just want it to be known that while Ted was an enormous boob he isn't that far ahead of many in a horrible organization. Yeah, you can rip on the Stepien era, or you could turn your attention to the fact they let an alcoholic, Lew Alcindor tradin' Wayne Embry call the sots for years. Or, maybe we can concentrate on the worst GM in basketball history, Paxson, if we like. Or, we could focus on about 100 other extremely dumb things the Cavs have done in thier history. It may have begun with Ted, but it doesn't end there.
by Dozen » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:56 am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cavs still want guard helpTrade deadline is approaching; team managers keep on talkingBy Brian WindhorstLAS VEGAS - The Cavaliers and general manager Danny Ferry have a little less than three days to make a move before the NBA's trading deadline, which strikes at 3 p.m. Thursday.Ferry and his other front office executives have been in conversations with teams for weeks judging the market. They were on hand for the general managers meetings over All-Star Weekend, where talks often get serious.The Cavs don't feel pressured to make a deal just to make a deal, but they have made one on deadline day in each of the past two years.One worked quite well: picking up Flip Murray for Mike Wilks last year. One didn't: swapping the 2007 first-round pick for Jiri Welsch in 2005.The Cavs are in the market for a guard, one who can handle the ball and can shoot a little. While they'd love to be able to get a player who could be a long-term fit, they also would take a short-termer that could buoy what they already have on the roster.According to league sources, the Cavs have made everyone on their roster available, with the exception of LeBron James.But unless they feel it is a slam-dunk move, they won't want to disturb their core.Especially considering the team played well before the All-Star break, winning six of its last nine games.Here's a look at point guards who may be on the market and what the Cavs have to offer:Potential targetsMike Bibby, Kings -- The Cavs have been in on-and-off talks with the Kings about their point guard for a long time. It is believed the Kings would move Bibby for the right deal but the Cavs don't have the parts needed. A third team needs to get involved and both sides have been looking.Juan Dixon, Trail Blazers -- He's not a pure point guard. He's more of a combo guard and may be too much like Daniel Gibson for the Cavs to consider. But he can handle the ball, he's available and he could help.Beno Udrih, Spurs -- He's lost his playing time again and is constantly in and out of coach Gregg Popovich's doghouse. Ferry was a part of the team that drafted Udrih three years ago and he likes the lefty's game. It is questionable whether the Spurs would let him go, though.Travis Diener, Magic -- The Magic have been shopping their quick guard, according to reports. But potential playoff opponents aren't usually trading partners.Marko Jaric, Timberwolves -- He's been in rumors for months now, ever since he voiced some displeasure earlier in the season. The Cavs looked at him in the summer of 2005, when he was a free agent, but the hefty contract he eventually signed makes him prohibitive. He's very unlikely to be going anywhere.Jason Hart, Kings -- Never plays, isn't happy, wants to be traded. He's the type of player the Cavs could get cheap and he could be a change-of-pace ballhandler for the stretch run.Potential assetsSasha Pavlovic -- His talent and recent run of good play make him a desirable prospect, especially considering he's in the final year of a contract.Anderson Varejao -- Everyone who calls the Cavs wants him, but the Cavs won't give him up unless it is for a prime player in return.Scot Pollard -- His $2.2 million deal is expiring, which makes him attractive. He's also a versatile big man, someone always in demand for a team looking to stock for the playoffs.David Wesley -- He also has an expiring deal, worth $1.75 million, with just $250,000 guaranteed for next year.Trade exception -- The Cavs have one worth $2.1 million, which they can swap for a player. But it cannot be used in a combination with players in a deal.Dan Gilbert's checkbook -- Teams can include up to $3 million in a deal, and the Cavs owner hasn't been timid in writing checks before to teams looking to limit losses.Dribbles• Even if the Cavs can't make a move, they might look at other options.The Cavs are expected to take a hard look and even perhaps make a hard sell on Scottie Pippen, who wants to make a comeback.Pippen has said he prefers a warm-weather town, especially Miami, but playing for a contender is most important.He's watched the Cavs play and believes he can help handling the ball.One thing the Cavs might be able to offer him to sweeten the pot is a player/coach role, which would enable him to share his experience and give him a place to go without losing face if the comeback doesn't go well.• A review by the Gastonia (N.C.) Gazette showed that Cavs' coach Mike Brown is the fifth-lowest-paid coach in the NBA at an average salary of $2.2 million.Brown, who seemed to get a fair market value contract for a first time coach two years ago, actually is making less than $2 million this year before bonuses.The Cavs did pick up an option in Brown's contract worth more than $2 million for the 2008-09 season last spring. Of course, the Cavs are still paying Paul Silas $4 million this season to finish the coaching contract he signed in 2003.http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/...s/16738698.htm
by consigliere » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:17 am
by Dozen » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:30 am
Consigliere wrote:If the Cavs land Bibby, I will be elated. Depending on what we give up, I'd consider us a favorite in the East and a legit title contender THIS year. Again, depends on what we were to give up, but then again I don't see any untouchables on this roster minus of course Lebron.Get it done Ferry.
by Dozen » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:24 pm
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by pup » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:14 am
by Dozen » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:20 am
Consigliere wrote:Interesting.Before the game on TNT tonight, David Aldridge reported that the Kings have found a 3rd team to pair up with the Cavs and according to him the Cavs "are feverishly working to get Bibby" but don't want to give up Varejao.Also, supposedly Pippen is in town.
by consigliere » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:42 am
by Dozen » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:19 am
by papacass » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:06 am
by Dozen » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:13 am
I think rumors that Brown is on thin ice are exaggerated, if not downright false. I don't think that just because LBJ and Brown had a difference of opinion on how the offense is run necessarily means Brown is teetering on the brink
by swerb » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:25 am
Dozen wrote:You dont hire a coach to be a puppet unless you are the Oakland Raiders.
by consigliere » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:25 pm
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by Dozen » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:46 pm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------February 21, 2007Brown? Snow? Gooden? The possibilitiesThere's still time before Thursday's trade deadline, but the Kings are having a difficult time moving Mike Bibby. The challenge is simple, with most of the difficulty coming because of the size of his contract ($28 million in the next two seasons) and the uncertainty of his situation. A team willing to pay for his services has no guarantee he won't opt out after this season, and those looking for salary cap space that would come by acquiring him and Bibby opting out have no guarantee he won't stick around. His recent play is probably a small factor, but it can't help matters that he's offering very little on the floor.Cleveland remains the closest thing to a frontrunner, though a three-team situation continues to appear the most likely way. Interestingly, I was playing craps at the Palms a few days ago when I could hear a conversation between Cleveland's Eric Snow and Chicago's P.J. Brown, both of whom would seem to have some chance of landing in Sacramento. Snow was venting about how he'd recently lost his starting job, and Brown -- who has wanted out of the Windy City for some time -- was saying the trade talk had been quiet but he was sure the Bulls would pull something off when he least expected it.The Cavs could send Snow and Drew Gooden -- who I was told the Kings want -- for Bibby, but obviously that deal hasn't had legs. As for Brown, he matters only because a source told me the Bulls are interested in Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Brown makes $8 million while Abdur-Rahim makes approximately $5 million, so another piece would have to be offered from the Kings. But Brown would not only offer a veteran, defensive-minded, rebounding presence behind Brad Miller but an expiring contract.-- Sam AmickPosted by grobertson at 09:16 AMhttp://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/
by consigliere » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:06 pm
by consigliere » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:24 pm
Cavaliers, Two Other Teams Call Phoenix On Banks 21st February, 2007 - 1:25 pm East Valley Tribune - According to league sources, the Suns are talking with several teams as the trade deadline nears. Marcus Banks and Kurt Thomas are the players other teams are bringing up in the discussions. The Cleveland Cavaliers and at least two other teams have inquired about Banks, and the Suns might be willing to move him as a way to trim their payroll without getting anything in return .
by consigliere » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:30 pm
by pup » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:38 pm
3-way deal between Cavs, Kings and Wolves on the table. Cavs would get Bibby, Sac would get Gooden and Mike James, and the Timberwolves would get Sasha and filler (Pollard or Wesley). Reportedly the Cavs are holding this deal up because they don't want to give up Sasha.
by consigliere » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:48 pm
by Dozen » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:49 pm
Consigliere wrote:From WTAM:They just mentioned this potential deal reported on NBA Coast to Coast:3-way deal between Cavs, Kings and Wolves on the table. Cavs would get Bibby, Sac would get Gooden and Mike James, and the Timberwolves would get Sasha and filler (Pollard or Wesley). Reportedly the Cavs are holding this deal up because they don't want to give up Sasha.
by leadpipe » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:58 pm
by Dozen » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:13 pm
As potential trades go, the best ones were either dehydrated, prostrate or about to have their plugs pulled. But with less than 24 hours to go, the Cleveland Cavaliers were making a final all-out attempt at reviving their candidate patient.His name is Mike Bibby, and the Cavs were still hoping to acquire his contract by the NBA trade deadline of 3 p.m. ET Thursday.League sources report that the Cavaliers spent the early part of Wednesday trying to acquire Bibby in a multi-team deal that would have left Sacramento with power forward Drew Gooden, point guard Marcus Banks (via Phoenix) and the expiring contract of center Scot Pollard, whose $2.2 million comes off the books this summer.The Kings thought about it for awhile before, said no thanks -- then invited Cleveland to come back with another offer that includes more expiring dollars. I'm speculating here: Gooden, a No. 1 pick and another expiring contract to go with Pollard's.It was a logical response from Sacramento president Geoff Petrie, who is willing to yield Bibby only if he nets the expiring money that will enable the Kings to be free-agent players this summer, in addition, of course, to one or more draft picks and one or more young players.Why is the trade important to Cleveland? It would instantly make the Cavaliers (31-22) a legitimate NBA Finals contender in the woeful East, where they stand just 2½ games behind the conference-leading Pistons. Bibby is shooting a career-worst 38.8 percent this season, and his averages of 16.6 points and 5.2 assists are four-year lows. But he's only 28 and would give the Cavaliers the starting point guard they've long desired. He's also one of the best clutch shooters in the league with 3-point range. Cleveland would create immense matchup problems with LeBron James, Bibby and Larry Hughes on the wing, which would generate more space inside for center Zydrunas Ilgauskas.The East is available to be stolen this spring, and Bibby would help the Cavaliers swipe it.Instead of folding Banks into a deal with Sacramento -- the Suns have been trying to unload his regrettable five-year, $21.4 million contract all season -- the Cavaliers must now find a way to lure in one or more expiring contracts instead of or in addition to Pollard's. A few of the possible suspects include:• Jamaal Magloire ($8.4M), though the Blazers desire a high draft pick.• P.J. Brown ($8.6M), though the Bulls are unlikely to aid a divisional rival.• Austin Croshere ($7.3M), though the tax-paying Mavericks would need something delicious in return for the expense.• Morris Peterson ($4.6M), though the Raptors need someone like him to help them win their first divisional title. Sacramento has been aggressive in pursuing a new home for Bibby, who has suffered while trying to complement Ron Artest. The Kings offered him to Dallas for young point guard Devin Harris and Croshere's expiring money, according to NBA sources, but the Mavericks weren't going to risk the league's finest chemistry just two months before the playoffs.
by jb » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:39 pm
Pup wrote:BibbySashaLBJGooden/AndyZGibsonMarshallJonesYes that is better.
by consigliere » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:46 pm
JB wrote:I know this is the contrarian POV and the immediate reaction is going to be those looking at Bibby's 20 / 6 line of previous years, wanting to win it all now and call me nuts, but I don't see the cavs being about 2007 yet. Bron needs to be more hungry & focussed, the team needs to gel more, and SSB , Gibson and Sasha can be so much better in 2 years if we keep this group together instead of being impatient.This is the wrong deal for the right player at the wrong time.
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