Stoudemire to the Cavs?

[waborat]

The bottom line (if he's traded at all) is that it's all up to Amare and Amare only...it comes down to him being willing to sign an extension with any team who wants him? Who in their right minds would trade for him and rent him for one year? Maybe I'm wrong here and maybe he can't even sign an extension like LBJ until this summer, but if you're the GM and you have to trade pieces and picks to get him then wouldn't you want him for the long haul?

If he tells Sarver & Kerr that he's gone after the 09-10 season and that C-Town is the only one that he's willing to sign an extension then he's probably ours unless they want to gamble and see what this summer might bring in return

[stretch51]

Something big is going to happen, just patiently waiting.

Me too. I had a really good job interview on Thursday, and I'm doing the same thing.

On top of that, you have P&C reporting and then a potential Cavs trade.

Everything in my life right now is "Somethings gonna happen, just be patient".

[Chris]

Yeah, Consig, the team knows he posts there but he never posts details or jeopardizes dealings with what he posts. It's an understood thing.

Anyways, today was supposed to be the day, but so far, nothing. May have to wait until Thursday before anything is known. This is gearing up to be an extremely anticlimatic finish, folks.

[Dozen]

Reading that longwinded post by W&G, actually several now, makes me very skeptical. Not only do I find it unlikely that any Cavs high level exec would be posting on a message board, but it is downright not possible. The team would know about it and squash it immediately as that is just not the way they operate. Like the Indians have baseball ops people perusing these sites, I am sure the Cavaliers have people doing it too.

When I read those W&G posts it is almost like a rehash of the news from ESPN, SI, etc that just came out, just written differently and in a wordy exchange. It's like cracking open the horoscopes and how 7-10 things are predicted to happen or everything is intentionally vague so the forecast is never wrong. Which is what I am getting when reading W&G as if we deal for Amare he was right but if we don't he was right too.

Lemme know when Windhorst posts something, because otherwise I ain't buying what this guy is selling until he gives actual specifics and facts instead of lame posts with lots of noise but little substance. I may be completely off base, and I apologize, but just my two cents.

FWIW W&G has been solid over the last few years, I'd compare him to you and the Indians but I believe he may have closer ties. Like when you broke the Lofton trade, W&G has my respect. Also, Windhorst has some ties with that site, prolly more then we all know. Really not sure how you can view him like that when every writer on here is exactly the same in regards to rehash of the news from ESPN, SI, etc .

[4thQtrGlory]

According to Ferry, we shouldnt be expecting something to get done before the deadline. I'll translate....

Were trying to get something done before the trade deadline. We arent going to give up key players. If other teams comply, we will land a key player (camby & amare)

[Mr. MacPhisto]

According to Ferry, we shouldnt be expecting something to get done before the deadline. I'll translate....

Were trying to get something done before the trade deadline. We arent going to give up key players. If other teams comply, we will land a key player (camby & amare)

That's the best attitude. There was an article on one of the sports sites about there really only being 10 sellers to match two buyers. A lot of teams want to dump salary.

That means the Cavs are only going to want to give up ending deals.

[Cease]

I don't see anything happening until 5 mins before deadline either, but the thought of Amare/LeBron playing pick & roll, Redz and Mo lurking at 3 point line with Z on the block ready to crash the boards has me drooling a bit.

The olley-oop count would be sky high with Mo dribble-drive tosses to cutting Amare. Imagine if Varjao was the leaper Amare is, playing above the rim on all of his cuts.

We'll see Thursday? The Cavs will push many chips to center of table for Amare.

[consigliere]

Reading that longwinded post by W&G, actually several now, makes me very skeptical. Not only do I find it unlikely that any Cavs high level exec would be posting on a message board, but it is downright not possible. The team would know about it and squash it immediately as that is just not the way they operate. Like the Indians have baseball ops people perusing these sites, I am sure the Cavaliers have people doing it too.

When I read those W&G posts it is almost like a rehash of the news from ESPN, SI, etc that just came out, just written differently and in a wordy exchange. It's like cracking open the horoscopes and how 7-10 things are predicted to happen or everything is intentionally vague so the forecast is never wrong. Which is what I am getting when reading W&G as if we deal for Amare he was right but if we don't he was right too.

Lemme know when Windhorst posts something, because otherwise I ain't buying what this guy is selling until he gives actual specifics and facts instead of lame posts with lots of noise but little substance. I may be completely off base, and I apologize, but just my two cents.

FWIW W&G has been solid over the last few years, I'd compare him to you and the Indians but I believe he may have closer ties. Like when you broke the Lofton trade, W&G has my respect. Also, Windhorst has some ties with that site, prolly more then we all know. Really not sure how you can view him like that when every writer on here is exactly the same in regards to rehash of the news from ESPN, SI, etc .

I'm just not 100% convinced this guy is a true Insider. Now, that DWags guy on the Cleve Live boards from a few years ago, hell yes, that guy was most definitely an insider. The thing is, his post were short and to the point with facts....not this vague "could go either way" stuff like I have seen from W&G.

As an example, I know the Indians baseball ops department does in fact have people reading this site and boards here and other popular places. That said, they don't have people working secretly undercover throwing potential trade/signing ideas people's way. Knowing that, I have a hard time believing the Cavs would have someone doing the same thing.

Now, maybe this is an alter ego for someone like Windhorst or whoever....someone who won't attach their real name to things they know that they don't want connected to them. I can maybe believe that....and in fact I bet if W&G is anyone it is someone in the media like Windhorst or hell even a person like Austin Carr.

Like with Dwags, if W&G can come strong and say that Kevin Millwood is going to sign for 1 year $8M two weeks before he does, or mention that Victor, Sabathia and Hafner will sign extensions days in advance with contract specifics, etc......then I may start to believe. But like I said, all I am seeing is someone playing Miss Cleo giving longwinded wordy replies which basically sum up every scenario possible so they are not wrong either way.

As always, IMO and YMMV.

[buckeye319]

Reading that longwinded post by W&G, actually several now, makes me very skeptical. Not only do I find it unlikely that any Cavs high level exec would be posting on a message board, but it is downright not possible. The team would know about it and squash it immediately as that is just not the way they operate. Like the Indians have baseball ops people perusing these sites, I am sure the Cavaliers have people doing it too.

When I read those W&G posts it is almost like a rehash of the news from ESPN, SI, etc that just came out, just written differently and in a wordy exchange. It's like cracking open the horoscopes and how 7-10 things are predicted to happen or everything is intentionally vague so the forecast is never wrong. Which is what I am getting when reading W&G as if we deal for Amare he was right but if we don't he was right too.

Lemme know when Windhorst posts something, because otherwise I ain't buying what this guy is selling until he gives actual specifics and facts instead of lame posts with lots of noise but little substance. I may be completely off base, and I apologize, but just my two cents.

FWIW W&G has been solid over the last few years, I'd compare him to you and the Indians but I believe he may have closer ties. Like when you broke the Lofton trade, W&G has my respect. Also, Windhorst has some ties with that site, prolly more then we all know. Really not sure how you can view him like that when every writer on here is exactly the same in regards to rehash of the news from ESPN, SI, etc .

I'm just not 100% convinced this guy is a true Insider. Now, that DWags guy on the Cleve Live boards from a few years ago, hell yes, that guy was most definitely an insider. The thing is, his post were short and to the point with facts....not this vague "could go either way" stuff like I have seen from W&G.

As an example, I know the Indians baseball ops department does in fact have people reading this site and boards here and other popular places. That said, they don't have people working secretly undercover throwing potential trade/signing ideas people's way. Knowing that, I have a hard time believing the Cavs would have someone doing the same thing.

Now, maybe this is an alter ego for someone like Windhorst or whoever....someone who won't attach their real name to things they know that they don't want connected to them. I can maybe believe that....and in fact I bet if W&G is anyone it is someone in the media like Windhorst or hell even a person like Austin Carr.

Like with Dwags, if W&G can come strong and say that Kevin Millwood is going to sign for 1 year $8M two weeks before he does, or mention that Victor, Sabathia and Hafner will sign extensions days in advance with contract specifics, etc......then I may start to believe. But like I said, all I am seeing is someone playing Miss Cleo giving longwinded wordy replies which basically sum up every scenario possible so they are not wrong either way.

As always, IMO and YMMV.

Consigliere, I asked about this elsewhere and here is my understanding: Gilbert actually is OK with this, because it keeps the fans interested and excited and W&G doesn't really give out any top secret info, anyhow. Likewise, and this seems a bit conspiratorial to me, if they want they can spread some misinformation that would get spread around the web. It's almost like the intel field, according to some.

But from what I've heard, he is an insider and the Cavs front office very much know that he posts at RCF.

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Consigliere, I asked about this elsewhere and here is my understanding: Gilbert actually is OK with this, because it keeps the fans interested and excited and W&G doesn't really give out any top secret info, anyhow. Likewise, and this seems a bit conspiratorial to me, if they want they can spread some misinformation that would get spread around the web. It's almost like the intel field, according to some.

But from what I've heard, he is an insider and the Cavs front office very much know that he posts at RCF.

That's exactly what it is. W&G has said that the Cavs know he posts. MYoung and others say he's legit and he has yielded info before anyone else has.

[aoxo1]

Reading that longwinded post by W&G, actually several now, makes me very skeptical. Not only do I find it unlikely that any Cavs high level exec would be posting on a message board, but it is downright not possible. The team would know about it and squash it immediately as that is just not the way they operate. Like the Indians have baseball ops people perusing these sites, I am sure the Cavaliers have people doing it too.

When I read those W&G posts it is almost like a rehash of the news from ESPN, SI, etc that just came out, just written differently and in a wordy exchange. It's like cracking open the horoscopes and how 7-10 things are predicted to happen or everything is intentionally vague so the forecast is never wrong. Which is what I am getting when reading W&G as if we deal for Amare he was right but if we don't he was right too.

Lemme know when Windhorst posts something, because otherwise I ain't buying what this guy is selling until he gives actual specifics and facts instead of lame posts with lots of noise but little substance. I may be completely off base, and I apologize, but just my two cents.

FWIW W&G has been solid over the last few years, I'd compare him to you and the Indians but I believe he may have closer ties. Like when you broke the Lofton trade, W&G has my respect. Also, Windhorst has some ties with that site, prolly more then we all know. Really not sure how you can view him like that when every writer on here is exactly the same in regards to rehash of the news from ESPN, SI, etc .

I'm just not 100% convinced this guy is a true Insider. Now, that DWags guy on the Cleve Live boards from a few years ago, hell yes, that guy was most definitely an insider. The thing is, his post were short and to the point with facts....not this vague "could go either way" stuff like I have seen from W&G.

As an example, I know the Indians baseball ops department does in fact have people reading this site and boards here and other popular places. That said, they don't have people working secretly undercover throwing potential trade/signing ideas people's way. Knowing that, I have a hard time believing the Cavs would have someone doing the same thing.

Now, maybe this is an alter ego for someone like Windhorst or whoever....someone who won't attach their real name to things they know that they don't want connected to them. I can maybe believe that....and in fact I bet if W&G is anyone it is someone in the media like Windhorst or hell even a person like Austin Carr.

Like with Dwags, if W&G can come strong and say that Kevin Millwood is going to sign for 1 year $8M two weeks before he does, or mention that Victor, Sabathia and Hafner will sign extensions days in advance with contract specifics, etc......then I may start to believe. But like I said, all I am seeing is someone playing Miss Cleo giving longwinded wordy replies which basically sum up every scenario possible so they are not wrong either way.

As always, IMO and YMMV.

Of course there is reason to be skeptical. However, if he is a real insider the reason for these posts is BECAUSE nothing is set in stone yet and he can't very well say they are going to acquire Amare when no one knows that for sure yet. He does provide us with insight into what is actually going on, instead of the generally baseless speculation of most reporters.

I haven't paid enough attention to know if he has announced things before they have happened, but apparently he has. Plus he seems revered enough on RCF, which looks like a huge community, that he must have provided reliable info plenty of times. They were basically threatening to ban a bunch of the new people who flooded in this past weekend for talking shit to him and pestering him so much, as they were apparently worried he would stop posting.

I don't know either way, but the fact that he apparently has that kind of credibility makes me think he is legit. This isn't some kiddie who came in one day and posted some shit, he's been posting for years.

[Frank Duffy]

I'd love to think we are getting real inside info from this guy, but one of the things I respect about Ferry is how discreet he is. Did WG know about the Mo trade? I don't remember seeing a word from anyone about that. And, we didn't hear that Ferry offered Wally straight up for VC before the Mo trade until Rod Thorn told a NJ reporter last winter. Why would Ferry let his inner thoughts be broadcast to every minor fan in greater Cle by someone high enough in the org to know them?
By the way, for conspiracy theorists, isn't it amazing that Bill Simmons puts a totally gratuitous plug for Hickson in one of his most read yearly columns at ESPN, at the same time Windy is saying JJ's light bulb may never go on. So, a national writer inflates JJ's value while a local one prepares us to lose him. It's obvious Windy knows more than he's saying. Is Ferry really this much of a manipulator?

[Ziner]

I'd love to think we are getting real inside info from this guy, but one of the things I respect about Ferry is how discreet he is. Did WG know about the Mo trade? I don't remember seeing a word from anyone about that. And, we didn't hear that Ferry offered Wally straight up for VC before the Mo trade until Rod Thorn told a NJ reporter last winter. Why would Ferry let his inner thoughts be broadcast to every minor fan in greater Cle by someone high enough in the org to know them?
By the way, for conspiracy theorists, isn't it amazing that Bill Simmons puts a totally gratuitous plug for Hickson in one of his most read yearly columns at ESPN, at the same time Windy is saying JJ's light bulb may never go on. So, a national writer inflates JJ's value while a local one prepares us to lose him. It's obvious Windy knows more than he's saying. Is Ferry really this much of a manipulator?

Why would Ferry want Windy to deflate Hicksons value? I am not following.

[peeker643]

I'd love to think we are getting real inside info from this guy, but one of the things I respect about Ferry is how discreet he is. Did WG know about the Mo trade? I don't remember seeing a word from anyone about that. And, we didn't hear that Ferry offered Wally straight up for VC before the Mo trade until Rod Thorn told a NJ reporter last winter. Why would Ferry let his inner thoughts be broadcast to every minor fan in greater Cle by someone high enough in the org to know them?
By the way, for conspiracy theorists, isn't it amazing that Bill Simmons puts a totally gratuitous plug for Hickson in one of his most read yearly columns at ESPN, at the same time Windy is saying JJ's light bulb may never go on. So, a national writer inflates JJ's value while a local one prepares us to lose him. It's obvious Windy knows more than he's saying. Is Ferry really this much of a manipulator?

Why would Ferry want Windy to deflate Hicksons value? I am not following.

I disagreed with that element of the post too. I don't think it's a question of deflating or giving JJ a gratuitous plug. Look at these boards as well. There's a legit disparity between a lot of people on JJ's upside. Not just Simmons and Windhorst.

[StewieG]

I missed Windy's comments about JJ. Did he really say that he didn't think the light would ever go on for JJ, after half a year? Because if he did, isn't that a bit of a quick judgment?

[buckeye319]

I missed Windy's comments about JJ. Did he really say that he didn't think the light would ever go on for JJ, after half a year? Because if he did, isn't that a bit of a quick judgment?

Windy basically said J.J.'s not learning from his mistakes, does not have a high basketball IQ, and may just never have a high one. And that Brown really doesn't want to put him out there come playoff time, which is fairly obvious already.

[Frank Duffy]

Yeah, Stewie, that was my point. Windy is very careful. It seemed odd he would criticize a guy Ferry's been high on. Just speculating he was helping Ferry prepare us for a trade. Like I said, just a conspiracy theory.

[waborat]

Well everything coming out of PHO looks as though they'll stand pat...

That was some sweet tastin' Kool-Aid while it lasted...

carry on

[mmonast]

Anything new posted from the W&G guy? i dont know the website where he usually posts

thanks

[Chris]

No, Amare Watch 09 is pretty much over. Looks like he's staying in Phoenix and not coming to Cleveland even if he's moved. Oh well. At least we have Wally and JJ Hickson for our championship run.

[Bill the Butcher]

I'm not that saddened. We're really good the way we are right now. Let's get back to work, baby!!!

[Chris]

I'm not that saddened. We're really good the way we are right now. Let's get back to work, baby!!!

Not lately. We are not playing Cavaliers basketball, we are playing bad defense, killed in the paint, getting out rebounded, etc. We need to get healthy and see where we are.

[drewd]

Anything new posted from the W&G guy? i dont know the website where he usually posts

thanks

From W&G who supposedly just had a heart attack a couple days ago...

It appears Brother Redbush has kept you all abreast of the trials and tribulations of my life .... I'm alive and well. Anxious to get back in the flow of what's been happening with my team !! Looks as if the Amare side of things has dropped off the prospect list for the Cavs. That's my take. If Phoenix liked what offers were avialable to them, I would have thopught something would have happened yesterday. All that happened was their coachiong change, and to me, that's telling.

Telling in the sense that I might be more inclined to think that now they may look to move Shaq first and foremost ...the may be looking to amp up their running game more now. We'll see, though.

I'm out of the loop right now, obviously. But, I'll get back in the loop quickly. I NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. It's just how I'm wired up. I've been laying in bed for almost three days and I can't live like that. Won't do it.

Anyways, I'm going to be catching up a bit, flying home tomorrow.

I'll be throwig up things that I feel are relevant as I go...

Take care ..thanks for all the wonderful sentiments.

[StewieG]

Unless I missed something, nobody specifically said "heart attack" with W&G, just chest pains.

[Chris]

Unless I missed something, nobody specifically said "heart attack" with W&G, just chest pains.

No, you're right. There was no mention of a heart attack. Chest pains.

[CharacterIV]

Well everything coming out of PHO looks as though they'll stand pat...

That was some sweet tastin' Kool-Aid while it lasted...

carry on

Yes. Great idea. Obviously the one holdover from D'Antoni's staff (who you could logically say he didn't want in NYC) will lead them to victory using the same philosophy that D'Antoni used to get beaten by the Spurs every spring and with personnel less suited to that philosophy. Stupid Phoenix jerks. Give us your superstar!

Exiting petulant child mode. Sorry, I just liked that Kool-Aid a lot, and got cranky when they took it away.

[Chris]

Is this seriously how teams work? Does Phoenix really think they are going ANYWHERE this year even if they squeak into the playoffs? The naivete of some of these professional sports teams astound me, they seem to think 8th seed playoff berths/first round exits are reason to hold onto all your assets instead of getting financial relief or young talent.

[reppination7]

now that chicago traded, looks like we are the 2nd favorites to get amare, behind the suns

[Ziner]

now that chicago traded, looks like we are the 2nd favorites to get amare, behind the suns

Its not happening, not a chance. They are going to hold on to him as they should

[reppination7]

now that chicago traded, looks like we are the 2nd favorites to get amare, behind the suns

Its not happening, not a chance. They are going to hold on to him as they should

thats why i said "behind the suns"

[Ziner]

now that chicago traded, looks like we are the 2nd favorites to get amare, behind the suns

Its not happening, not a chance. They are going to hold on to him as they should

thats why i said "behind the suns"

good call, i'll work on my reading compehension

[waborat]

Damn, 65/16 in 56 minutes the last 2 nights

[rebelwithoutaclue]

Damn, 65/16 in 56 minutes the last 2 nights

Against the Clippers. And the Suns scored 282 total points so his percentage of the teams points scored isn't very high. In that context it's not very impressive; just like LeBron scoring 23 in back-to-back games if the Cavs scored 100 each time. And I'll say it again; it was against the CLIPPERS. If those 2 beatdowns didn't get them to realize that Camby ain't helping them anytime soon, I don't know what will (even though he didn't play in both).

[waborat]

Damn, 65/16 in 56 minutes the last 2 nights

Against the Clippers. And the Suns scored 282 total points so his percentage of the teams points scored isn't very high. In that context it's not very impressive; just like LeBron scoring 23 in back-to-back games if the Cavs scored 100 each time. And I'll say it again; it was against the CLIPPERS. If those 2 beatdowns didn't get them to realize that Camby ain't helping them anytime soon, I don't know what will (even though he didn't play in both).

Yeah, yeah, you like to burst my bubble there Reb....Still love the pt+ a minute...

Found it interesting that PHO was still trying to move AS to MEM late yesterday though? Can't blame the Bears for turning them down with those demands though

[AK-ROWDY]

What were the demands?

[rebelwithoutaclue]

What were the demands?

The Suns are all over Rudy Gay; like mancrush all over him. They'd trade Stoudemire for a package including him in a second. Memphis' reluctance is the only thing holding it up.

[waborat]

What were the demands?

Gay, Warrick, Conley & MEM's #1 this year

[AK-ROWDY]

What were the demands?

Gay, Warrick, Conley & MEM's #1 this year

Thanks

[CharacterIV]

What were the demands?

Gay, Warrick, Conley & MEM's #1 this year

Wow, no wonder we didn't stand a chance in the Amare derby.