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So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Nicastro13 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:44 am

It'll be telling if Bosh and wade don't opt out. The heat need all three to opt out because no way should those other two be making max money and they need room to add some depth. If they opt in then I think he leaves and then the Lebron free agent frenzy will begin all over again.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby StewieG » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:02 pm

Yeah, LeBron opting out isn't much of a story, in that it pretty much had to happen for the Heat to have any flexibility. It depends on what the other 2 do. If they opt in, THAT's the story. But I fully expect them to op out as well.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Love child of shawn kemp » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:54 pm

I don't know how D Wade opts out. No way he's getting anything in the free agent market anywhere near what he is owed already.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:34 pm

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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Spin » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:52 pm

Miami Heat fans will be exercising their option to opt off the bandwagon!
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby bookelly » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:41 pm

I think he's coming to Cleveland folks. And Pau Gasol signs the mid-level exemption. LBJ will want to keep Andy, so they'll have to get creative in term of moving contracts to clear the space. I hope they can hang onto Dion. With this new coach I think he would find a way to make it work with both Kyrie and Dion on the floor. Of just use him as he is best suited, in a 6th man role. If they can move Jarret Jack (throw in picks) I think they can do it.

Kyrie/Delly
Dion/Wiggins/Felix
LBJ/Karasev/Bennent
TT/Andy
Gasol/Zeller/Haywood

That's a pretty good squad right there. And fufils the mythical 3 stars rule.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby furls » Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:00 am

I don't know about LeBron coming to Cleveland, I tend to doubt it, but there are somethings that make it a better option than many are giving it credit for.

-I think he has to know that the Heat as constituted is going to really struggle going forward. Many that consider the big 3 as a key selling point for the Heat are ignoring the obvious.... it is the Big 1, Medium 1 and the rapidly deteriorating 1.

-A return to Cleveland provides him a great opportunity to repair the LBJ brand. He gets to go and build his own team (that has a lot of youth) and fix the damage he did in 2010 with a couple of small words.

-LBJ doesn't need South Beach (or NYC or LA) to build his brand. He is one of those players that is independent of a brand. Changing teams, chasing the next title contender just makes him appear as more of a mercenary or a guy that acknowledges that he cannot do it himself ala Jordan.

-I think the biggest issues for the Cavs are that they suck and they have a coach that has never coached an NBA game. Those 2 things probably outweigh the above things except for perhaps the LBJ Brand thing.

IMO coming back to Cleveland is the only way that James can ever be a "hero" figure again. The 2010 shenanigans did a lot of damage to his image inside his hometown, but also nationally. He is still cashing big checks, but he is not a hero. He is just the best basketball player in the world.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby furls » Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:01 pm

The number I keep seeing for the Heat is $5.5M.

That is the number that the Heat are reportedly offering the "4th" player of the team that they are trying to bring in (Lowery, Gasol, Deng, etc.). I gotta say fat chance to getting that 4th at about 1/2 fair market value.

It is only going to get harder to win in Miami as the Bostrich and Wade continue to age. I think he bails, but I don't know where he will go.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby bookelly » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:32 am

At this point I'd have to say LBJ is back. Because if he lets this bullshit float and turns this fan base down again he'll become the biggest villain in ALL of sports history.

Or he could just really, really hate Cleveland and wants to troll the shit outta us.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:02 am

Right now I think it is even money between Miami and Cleveland...maybe 49% Miami and 49% Cleveland and 2% field/all other.

If he goes with someone besides Miami or Cleveland everyone is really going to think he is a huge frontrunner and it will further kill his brand. "he really does need lot's of other stars" type of thinking. He will get killed all over the internet for abandoning another team for a third greener pasture.

His initial 1 year best plan might be to roll the dice on a one year deal with Miami and see if they can win another one and also see what the Cavs can build during that time.
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:08 am

Hey Furls, since you're back posting any chance you can give us some OSU updates? Things certainly picked-up on the recruiting side the past couple of weeks.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby dmiles » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:18 am

Like Chicago said Miami is the one where we don't know what Riley is up to at this point. The major media is pointing out that they have struck out with everyone who has gone down to meet with Heat, but that doesn't mean they are just collecting the "what do you need to play here" and going back to the three for how best to make their contracts fit what what the free agents need.. Of course Lebron insisting on a Max contract hampers that.

I am too lazy to look it up, but can he sign a one year deal or even "opt-back-in" at this point? I didn't think they were able to sign short-term deals like that but again I am not a capologist and don't know the "length-of-contract" rules. Obviously there are provisions for short-term guys but I thought it was at the lower end of the pay-scale?
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby coachMueller » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:54 am

I don't know the salary cap rules either, but I heard this morning that since Melo opted out with the Knicks, if he returns he cannot make as much as he was making prior to opting out. The reporter said that if he returns to the Knicks now, he will lose something like $900,000/year just to have taken his free agent tour. Lebron wasn't maxed out from 2010-2014, so that wouldn't necessarily apply to him, but I would think it would apply to DWade.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby pod2dawg » Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:11 pm

Sources on ESPn say that LeBron will have his decision in 72 hours.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Love child of shawn kemp » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:52 pm

You think D Wade will be kicking himself for opting out when LeBron and Bosh leave and Wade is stuck losing 20MM in salary cuz he was trying to help the team.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby ole uncle charle » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:06 pm

Thats why I'm not buying it. We are to believe that these guys have never had this conversation prior to the end of the season. Looks like ESPN BS to me, but then again there is no way the heat can improve their roster if they are paying Wade 10-15 million LBJ and Bosh have to realize that.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby furls » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:15 pm

Broussard on ESPN said that Bosh came out of a meeting with James this weekend seriously considering his max offer from Houston. That tells me that the Big 3 are likely breaking up. I don't know if James is coming back to Cleveland, but I do think he is leaving Miami.

Like another poster said, going to a 3rd team makes him look even more like a front runner. I think his smartest career choice (for the LBJ Brand) is to make Cleveland a winner. That doesn't mean that his management team knows that. These guys didn't think the "Decision" was a really bad idea.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby scrambler » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:15 am

ole uncle charle wrote:Thats why I'm not buying it. We are to believe that these guys have never had this conversation prior to the end of the season. Looks like ESPN BS to me, but then again there is no way the heat can improve their roster if they are paying Wade 10-15 million LBJ and Bosh have to realize that.


I think 100 percent of this is ESPN BS. His agent is travelling around. Of course he'll visit Cleveland. The LeBron is a villain thing has completely run it's course, and the worldwide leader is simply trying to play the he is going to "shun" Cleveland thing again so they can re-enter the LeBron is a villain thing again. I think Bosh takes the max with Houston for the purpose of a new "big 3" in Miami. That's what the meeting with Riley and LeBron is all about, who is going to be the new "3rd" guy. The return to Cleveland is 100 percent ESPN BS, I agree.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby scrambler » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:40 am

furls wrote:Broussard on ESPN said that Bosh came out of a meeting with James this weekend seriously considering his max offer from Houston. That tells me that the Big 3 are likely breaking up. I don't know if James is coming back to Cleveland, but I do think he is leaving Miami.

Like another poster said, going to a 3rd team makes him look even more like a front runner. I think his smartest career choice (for the LBJ Brand) is to make Cleveland a winner. That doesn't mean that his management team knows that. These guys didn't think the "Decision" was a really bad idea.


I think he's staying in Miami. Cleveland is not title ready. They're setting up a new big 3 in Miami. Bosh signs the max in Houston. James meets with Riley to settle on who the new 3rd is going to be. That's all this is about. Bosh was always the 3rd wheel there. ESPN has got the villain thing all set up. He can be a villain for shunning Cleveland or a villain for abandoning an aging Wade...either way, they're now set for a few years.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:44 am

I just wish LBJ was a free agent every year so I could enjoy the idiocy and lunacy annually.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:08 pm

Does anyone remember Chris Broussard during this exact same circus 4 years ago. Not a different sport, or a different guy - pretty much the exact same thing.

The guy basically threw everything up against the wall at that time - and still didn't connect.

Someone needs to convince me why anything Chris Broussard has to say on this subject should be taken over random Cavs fan in the bar. You know, the guy that burnt the jersey but has hand job at the ready now.

My 2 cents knowing absolutely nothing. First cent - Wade strikes me as a lot of things - many negative. But being stone cold dumb ain't one of them. The guy had some info before he opted out. Cent #2 - Everyone else is promising Lebron - but Riley can say "I did it" The Don is a master, a formidable foe for anyone. Against the Cavs organization it's like Sherman marching thru your local preschool.

I'll also add this. I think Lebron's brand....image etc....I think Lebron learned after the laat couple years it ain't gonna change much. He's under the microscope forever, and nothing is gonna change it. And Lebron knows this. If winning doesn't cure it, nothing will. And it didn't. The years he wins - no matter where, he'll get a pass. And when he loses - no matter where, he's gonna get dumped on. So, comin back "Home" to be a "hero" for his hometown....none of that means dick. He's gotta win every GD year if he's doing what's best for his image or brand. He'll go where he feels he can do just that.

Worried about going to a third team to ruin his image? How can it get worse?
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:04 pm

Torn over this for the two reasons you mentioned. But first have to say I'm not following it on ESPN or social media. Just in my head.

Wade is not dumb. I agree wholeheartedly. If Wade opted out it was because 2/40 was going to be (with assurances) 4/60 or 5/60. He's getting more one way or other.

BUT... Wade can't play. Not 70 games a year and 3 or 4 playoff series at the level they need him to play.

So to me that means either James goes elsewhere or those two just third wheeled Bosh to Houston and freed up a ton of money to go out and re-make that HEAT team with LeBron getting $22m, DWade getting $12m and there being an extra $20million laying around to grab another big time player who gives more than Bosh can.

I don't know which it is.

As to the image, you're right. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown. But you have to say this about the "image": dude is squeaky clean in this day and age. Ain't no child porn, no multiple baby mama claims each year, no drugs, no DUIs, he buried Gloria and her foul ass deep someplace and he's the poster boy for good, clean living.

He should chase the best opportunities while he can. If that's here, yay. If that's somewhere else, yay. Don't really care.

But I still love how shit changes yet remains exactly the same where LBJ is concerned.

It's funny.

ETA: He signs here I put the odds of his first major injury during the course of the contract at about -320.

Achilles, ACL, whatever. Dude's 30. It's not "if" but rather "when".

leadpipe wrote:Does anyone remember Chris Broussard during this exact same circus 4 years ago. Not a different sport, or a different guy - pretty much the exact same thing.

The guy basically threw everything up against the wall at that time - and still didn't connect.

Someone needs to convince me why anything Chris Broussard has to say on this subject should be taken over random Cavs fan in the bar. You know, the guy that burnt the jersey but has hand job at the ready now.

My 2 cents knowing absolutely nothing. First cent - Wade strikes me as a lot of things - many negative. But being stone cold dumb ain't one of them. The guy had some info before he opted out. Cent #2 - Everyone else is promising Lebron - but Riley can say "I did it" The Don is a master, a formidable foe for anyone. Against the Cavs organization it's like Sherman marching thru your local preschool.

I'll also add this. I think Lebron's brand....image etc....I think Lebron learned after the laat couple years it ain't gonna change much. He's under the microscope forever, and nothing is gonna change it. And Lebron knows this. If winning doesn't cure it, nothing will. And it didn't. The years he wins - no matter where, he'll get a pass. And when he loses - no matter where, he's gonna get dumped on. So, comin back "Home" to be a "hero" for his hometown....none of that means dick. He's gotta win every GD year if he's doing what's best for his image or brand. He'll go where he feels he can do just that.

Worried about going to a third team to ruin his image? How can it get worse?
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby jerryroche » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:25 pm

Personally, I could give a rat's ass whether the traitorous scumbag comes back. (Just like you could give a rat's ass what I think.)

But I am having the time of my life reading the know-nothing print reporters and listening to the idiot radio callers and hosts. Rolling on the floor laughing out loud, 24 hours a day now. Hope this three-ring-circus goes on forever. My life is worth living again!
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Unread postby OldDawg » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:18 pm

Not a good sign.
LeBron to meet with Riley again tomorrow.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby dmiles » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:43 pm

Everything taking a turn for the good tonight. Sheridan calling 90% to Cleveland. Earlier today Nevada from Scout insiders called it as well.

I wish I were like Peek not following this crap. Bastards got me sucked in.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby furls » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:16 am

Nevada called LBJ to Cleveland 4 years ago too.

Interesting opinion about Wade opting out from LP. How about K-Love as a target to replace Bosh? My rough math says that should be possible if they were able to get Bosh to sign in Houston. The question is, would the Heat really want to go back to 3 "superstars" (really 1 + Wade + other) given how limiting it is on the rest of the roster?

Maybe Gasol + another mid level guy makes them better.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:56 am

Bosh is REALLY important ILO. I know many here are down on the guy - and true, he may not be a true superstar, but he allowed them to do A LOT defensively with his length. Hell, he was asked to do a lot defensively, and he's made the most sacrifice on O. When you look at that, and salary sacrifice, he's not talking team, he's doing it.

And his style as a power forward? Again, might not be the classic physical we like from that position, but NBA 2014, who is more valuable - Chris Bosh's skill set, or Charles Oakley? Not close.

He'd be a dream player for the Spurs today. Which says about all you need to say about his value.

He'll be with Lebron in Miami.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Sea Foam Green » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:34 am

Agree with the above, Bosh ain't the guy you want to get rid of. The heat would be significantly worse without him, and I don't think swapping him out for another superstar would make the Heat much better, if at all.

Look, Lebron is doing the prudent thing here. It's Miami's to lose. He's letting Pat do his thing, whilst sizing up his other options for the sake of comparison. [I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll be with the rest of the idiots calling him a front-running prima donna when he signs back with the Heat because Sports, but if you look at it objectively, it seems he's going about the decision making process smartly.]

Anyways, that said, I don't think there is a whole lot Pat can do to change the make-up of that Heat team significantly. An overvalued big man and the remains of Danny Granger don't put them over the top against the Spurs. And frankly, you drop Lebron on ANY team in the East and they become a contender, if not the favorite, to make the finals.

So, in my opinion, this whole thing is going to come down to Lebron's opinion of Dwade. If he thinks lasts year's Wade was an aberration, and that dude's still got legs, he stays in Miami because a Bosh/Lebron/Good Wade combo is still his best chance to get past the teams of the west. If he thinks Wade is only going to continue to get worse, then your looking at more scenarios like last year's finals, or a situation where you literally have to sit Wade half the year to make sure he's got gas at the end [which puts more wear on Lebron]. In that case, he may strongly consider his other options.

[It seems worth noting here, though, that Kyrie who would be responsible to shoulder some of the scoring load to take pressure of Lebron, to reduce wear and tear on him as he ages [as the theory goes], has yet to make it through a full season himself. ]
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:43 am

Gotta be appealing in some ways for Bosh to consider Houston. There he plays '4' for the vast majority of the time. That's where he belongs on both ends of court.

And yeah, if Wade is not the one who gets left behind, there is no "Big 3". Wade isn't that anymore. And he's never going to get healthier or younger than he is today.

I would not be shocked to see Riley 'Fredo' DWade. In fact, unless Wade takes the MLE kind of numbers, they almost HAVE to. Because they need more than what they had last year. East ain't always gonna be the Washington Generals and what they had last year ain't good enough against the West.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:38 am

Interesting....

Reading that Cavs have just traded Jarret Jack, Sergey Karasev and Tyler Zeller this morning.

They're freeing up money.

For someone who will get the max deal.

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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:44 am

peeker643 wrote:Interesting....

Reading that Cavs have just traded Jarret Jack, Sergey Karasev and Tyler Zeller this morning.

They're freeing up money.

For someone who will get the max deal.

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What I read was that we had to move Jack to get enough space to sign LeBron so that is no surprise. I was wondering what it would take to get him out of here. Apparently the cost is Zeller and Karasev, which isn't much. I figured it would take draft pick(s). I don't think this means that the Cavs know anything that we don't, yet. But it makes sense to have all of the ducks in a row because this looks like it might actually be a possibility...something I never would have thought before the finals.


ETA: Reading that we are shipping a future first as well, which makes a little more sense.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:54 am

There's a lot of talk here about LeBrons brand and his image. Maybe I'm crazy but I don't think either of them is bad nationally. I don't think the rest of the country could give 2 shits about what LeBron did 4 years ago. I don't think he's viewed as a quitter and a failure or anything like that. I think that the narrative 4 years ago when the Heat played the Mavs and LeBron was the goat has changed completely. I think the narrative of the finals this year is that LeBron is other-worldly, but the Heat roster and front office failed him. I don't think people are talking about how "LeBron can't get it done" like they used to.

Maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be unusual.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:05 am

And anyone who thinks the return is imminent...don't get to comfy. I have a picture of Riley arriving at his meeting with LeBron today:

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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:56 am

So it was Jack, Karasev and Zeller, plus a 1st round pick, to complete the deal that gives them max space.

They also get back in that a Celtics $10m trade exception and a 2nd rounder somewhere that's useless.

So they free up enough space to sign max player and get $10million exception that can be combined with, say, another $10million in additional players (two of Bennett/Thompson/Waiters??) to maybe make a play for a second near-max guy.

They have to move quickly on that side of it though, because the C's trade exception expires in a few days.

I think that's how it works. Hopefully I'm not way off.

They are shoving their chips into the center of the table, I will say that. With no guarantees as to what LBJ is going to do.

And they could be really screwed if things don't break their way relatively quickly.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby StewieG » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:04 pm

Yep. They're pretty much saying that this is what they can do, and the Heat can't get anyone better than Danny Granger. Make your choice.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:20 pm

peeker643 wrote:So it was Jack, Karasev and Zeller, plus a 1st round pick, to complete the deal that gives them max space.

They also get back in that a Celtics $10m trade exception and a 2nd rounder somewhere that's useless.

So they free up enough space to sign max player and get $10million exception that can be combined with, say, another $10million in additional players (two of Bennett/Thompson/Waiters??) to maybe make a play for a second near-max guy.

They have to move quickly on that side of it though, because the C's trade exception expires in a few days.

I think that's how it works. Hopefully I'm not way off.

They are shoving their chips into the center of the table, I will say that. With no guarantees as to what LBJ is going to do.

And they could be really screwed if things don't break their way relatively quickly.


I guess they will be screwed if LBFJ doesn't sign with them, because it's the only way that could legitimately contend for a ring as opposed to (best case scenario) taking an early playoff exit, but how much worse off are they really going to be otherwise? Hard to figure how a team would be "screwed" after losing the likes of Jack, Zeller, and Karasev.

Even if they lose the LeBron sweepstakes again, I definitely think it's worth going all in.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Spin » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:16 pm

I guess they will be screwed if LBFJ doesn't sign with them, because it's the only way that could legitimately contend for a ring as opposed to (best case scenario) taking an early playoff exit, but how much worse off are they really going to be otherwise? Hard to figure how a team would be "screwed" after losing the likes of Jack, Zeller, and Karasev.

Even if they lose the LeBron sweepstakes again, I definitely think it's worth going all in.


I like the deal with or without LeBron. Those guys brought us shit. Now we can sign a max, and another player, and if this GM knows his shit, we'll be far further ahead than we were with those guys.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:42 pm

No argument it's the right way to go. It just can't be undone. I'm not talking about the Zeller/Jack/Karasev part. It's what comes next that's going to sting and is risky.

You're likely talking Wiggins in the next phase. But you're certainly talking your cap flexibility and ability to manuever for next few years.

Not a big deal if you get it right.

Just years of further shit if ya don't.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Sea Foam Green » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:55 pm

Yeah, I don't get the 3 max salaries angle. I don't know the specifics, so maybe some one can explain it to me, but I beleive Kyrie's new deal is roughly 16MM/year, Lebron would be 20MM and if you add another guy in the 15-20MM range, starting in 15/16 you've got about 55MM of the 60-some cap tied up in 3 players, which gives you absolutely no flexibility.

Isn't this the Heat's entire problem right now? [that and the breakdown of D-Wade, with Kyrie's own durability questions noted]
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:05 pm

^Kyrie's contract goes into effect next season (15-16)when the cap will move up some more.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:24 pm

Larvell Blanks wrote:^Kyrie's contract goes into effect next season (15-16)when the cap will move up some more.


Yeah, but still not enough to have 3 max players, right? That's why I don't get the Wiggins for Love talk. It's not that I wouldn't want Love, but how would it be possible to keep all 3 of those guys long term, assuming you talk Love into signing an extension (and if he doesn't why are you sending Wiggins out for 1 year of Love?)


*None of this shit will matter when LeBron walks out of his meeting today a Heat player.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Nicastro13 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:37 pm

You don't deal for Love without an extension in place before hand. Also 3 max players can work as long as they play to it. It failed in Miami this year because Dwade is a corpse of his former self. And by failed they still won the east, just didnt win it all.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:51 pm

BTW, whatever happened to that World Wide Wes chode that weaseled his way into the proceedings last time?
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby OldDawg » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:25 pm

I certainly on board with LBJ coming back.
I'm just not looking forward to LBJ as General Manager for the duration of his contract. The last time he was here we made some poor business personnel decisions for the franchise just hoping to keep LBJ happy. I think we need a strong front office to do what's best for the franchise. I understand that we suddenly become short-sighted and try to win it all now, but we can't completely bend to his every beck and call.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Prosecutor » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:07 pm

They need to come up with a center when the smoke clears. Right now all they have is Andy and a 34-year-old who didn't play last year and has a career average of 3.5 ppg.

I thought Zeller had a chance to be a decent player, especially on a running team. His cap number is pretty small. I thought Andy would be the guy they either let go or renegotiated to clear space.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Doc » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:28 pm

Ultimately, 3 max deals shouldn't hurt, so long as we keep hold of our young players. TT, wiggins, waiters, bennett. Gilbert won't mind luxury tax, and any deal with love loses us 2 of those guys. Still keeps us young and on rookie deals, though any deal for love probably involves picks as well.

The heat problem is they had no youth to develop. Cleveland offers young talent to develop and a cheaper and talented supporting cast for years. Though, in that scenario, we've used most of our bullets. It'd be a similar core for 4 or 5 years, but without much flexibility, a la Miami.

I'm going to hate myself tomorrow for blindly buying in that he is coming back. But it's a fun ride for now. It's a 2 horse race, and I'd imagine Miami's only hope is that LeBron chooses loyalty, because I feel that's Miami's only card right now.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:33 pm

Old board regular Eyo said on TOS that most of these big free agent deals (including Lebrons) would almost certainly be for just 2 years due to the next CBA which is scheduled for the end of the 2016 season. His logic makes complete sense and most of it is tied to an increase in TV revenue and associated increase in the Cap which will drive up salaries in 2017 and beyond.

What that means is that we could potentially be looking at this Lebron drama all over again in 2 years time and that we could be leveraging our future picks, young talent and depth in order to maybe obtain a 2 year run. At which time we could be facing another decision.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Spin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:50 am

YahooFanChicago wrote:Old board regular Eyo said on TOS that most of these big free agent deals (including Lebrons) would almost certainly be for just 2 years due to the next CBA which is scheduled for the end of the 2016 season. His logic makes complete sense and most of it is tied to an increase in TV revenue and associated increase in the Cap which will drive up salaries in 2017 and beyond.

What that means is that we could potentially be looking at this Lebron drama all over again in 2 years time and that we could be leveraging our future picks, young talent and depth in order to maybe obtain a 2 year run. At which time we could be facing another decision.


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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby Sea Foam Green » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:08 am

Not arguing, because E0 knows his shit, but isn't Bosh's offer from the Rockets 4 year Max?

Did he not get the memo, or does he just have a shitty agent? I would think he could get the max again in 1-2 years. Maybe not though.
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Re: So Lebron Opts out...

Unread postby pod2dawg » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:09 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Double Fuck.

My "guy" tells me in fact as a result of the above mentioned Mr. James will most likely sign a 1-1 year max contract with the Heat.

* Thus getting Max $, keeping the boys together for one more run, & Most importantly putting Mr. James in PRIMO position to.......................yes opt out next year and do this allover again......

Which in all actuality is when it most likely the King returns home.
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