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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:12 pm

XUDawg wrote:You act like that's a given. To sign Anderson, we're going to have to do much better than the highest tender. We're going to have to give him Tony Romo money or better.


I'm not completely sold on that. Yeah, someone might throw Romo or Schaub money at him. Unlike either of them, however, DA also has the ghost of a fugly '06 season still hanging around. If more teams think he's a result of Chud, JT, B17, and the Soldier and are wary of him going Kurt Warner on them, his market value goes down.

1) Sign Derek long term, keep Brady around, and hover around .500 because your offense needs to continue putting up 40 a game to win.


The point your side is missing is that, barring Phil pulling any tricks out of the FA hat, we're going to be doing that in 2008 regardless. The extra 1st and 3rd round picks would be nice to have, but they aren't going to instantly turn the D into an average unit next season.

We have the time to do this right and see what we have in both DA and Quinn before making the move. I'd rather let Phil 'n Romeo take as much time as they need to see this through rather than rush a move that the franchise may regret for years to come.
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Unread postby HoodooMan » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:22 pm

Are we going to be able to completely rebuild the front seven this offseason, and more particularly the d-line? I don't think so. This is at least a two year project.

So your belief that it's at least a two year project is justification for pushing it back another year, to make it at least a three year project?

Because that's what you're doing by stalling on making a decision between DA & BQ.
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Unread postby pup » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:24 pm

1. If you simply tender DA, there is no trading him next year. He walks. Bad idea.

2. If he sign him to the type of deal it would take to lock him up, you are talking big signing bonus. Then to trade him is a huge cap hit. Bad idea.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:20 pm

1. If you simply tender DA, there is no trading him next year. He walks. Bad idea.

Yes. There's likely no trading him. But you can still resign him and deal Quinn. And you get an extra year to evaluate both.
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Unread postby pup » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:03 pm

Swerb wrote:
1. If you simply tender DA, there is no trading him next year. He walks. Bad idea.

Yes. There's likely no trading him. But you can still resign him and deal Quinn. And you get an extra year to evaluate both.


And lose all leverage to deal either one.

Come Feb, you are in a great position. You can basically have a bidding war between 6-7 teams, with 2 chips to play.

If you wait, a couple of those teams could find their DA off the scrap heap, and you only have 1 chip.
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Unread postby jfiling » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:05 pm

Swerb wrote:
1. If you simply tender DA, there is no trading him next year. He walks. Bad idea.

Yes. There's likely no trading him. But you can still resign him and deal Quinn. And you get an extra year to evaluate both.


I hate going here, because the Browns have never done this, and I'm probably going to be called out once again for being unrealistic, but...

The Browns could tender DA, keep him and Quinn next year, with DA as a caretaker until Quinn is 100% ready. If Quinn still needs some extra seasoning, or in 2009 the Browns are ready to go balls to the wall for the playoffs, they could always franchise Anderson and then trade Quinn. I'd think at that point Quinn could be worth a Matt Shaub deal at the worst.

Ok, everyone tell me now why I'm an idiot.
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Unread postby pup » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:08 pm

jfiling wrote:
Swerb wrote:
1. If you simply tender DA, there is no trading him next year. He walks. Bad idea.

Yes. There's likely no trading him. But you can still resign him and deal Quinn. And you get an extra year to evaluate both.


I hate going here, because the Browns have never done this, and I'm probably going to be called out once again for being unrealistic, but...

The Browns could tender DA, keep him and Quinn next year, with DA as a caretaker until Quinn is 100% ready. If Quinn still needs some extra seasoning, or in 2009 the Browns are ready to go balls to the wall for the playoffs, they could always franchise Anderson and then trade Quinn. I'd think at that point Quinn could be worth a Matt Shaub deal at the worst.

Ok, everyone tell me now why I'm an idiot.


That would work, but it does nothing for helping the 2008 Cleveland Browns.
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Unread postby jfiling » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:10 pm

Now that I've looked more closely at the franchise tag rules, the Browns might be smart to place the non-exclusive franchise tag on Anderson after this season.
If the team elects to name the player "non-exclusive" then the player shall be permitted to negotiate a contract with any Club as if he were an UFA; however, Draft Choice Compensation of TWO first round draft selections shall be awarded to the prior club in the event that he signs with the new club. For Non-Exlusive Franchise Players, the team must tender the player a one year contract that is the minimum of the average of the five largest PRIOR-YEAR salaries for players at the position at which he played the most games in the prior year, or 120% of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.
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Unread postby Guest » Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:39 pm

I used to love Jay Marrioti when he was just a journalist...years before "Around the Horn".

However...I still watch it sometimes, and Jay is a effin HUGE pimp for the Bears trading for DA. Brought it up again on today's show. He doesn't want Donavan McNabb next year, he wants Derek.

He loves him, and thinks it's a logical trade that gives the Bears a long needed Franchise QB (considering Jim McMahon is the all-time leading Bears QB...that's not much).

IOW...there are a lot of 'experts' out there looking at DA, knowing the situation with BQ, and drooling in anticipation of picking him up.

And if DA has this much interest now...let's just hope he doesn't regress in the second half, and we can get a great bidding war going on between Chicago, Minnesota, and a few others...

You won't get the same interest right now in BQ due to his inexperience, and his contract.

The only things that would truly piss me off would be (a) DA walking as a FA with nothing in return...or (b) tying up so much cap room to keep two QBs under 25 years of age that they can't fix the defense.

Anything else is fair game.
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:47 pm

jfiling wrote:Now that I've looked more closely at the franchise tag rules, the Browns might be smart to place the non-exclusive franchise tag on Anderson after this season.
If the team elects to name the player "non-exclusive" then the player shall be permitted to negotiate a contract with any Club as if he were an UFA; however, Draft Choice Compensation of TWO first round draft selections shall be awarded to the prior club in the event that he signs with the new club. For Non-Exlusive Franchise Players, the team must tender the player a one year contract that is the minimum of the average of the five largest PRIOR-YEAR salaries for players at the position at which he played the most games in the prior year, or 120% of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.
Now, everyone can tell me why I'm not only an idiot but completely insane.


SD:

Congratulations , now that you've stumbled onto Andersons true value , maybe you can now understand why its much simpler to offer him 15 million in a bonus in a long term 35-40 million deal where the cap hit stretched out will give us 9 million dollars per year more cap space than paying him 12.5 million per which is the franchise rate , which is also all accelerated into the same fiscal year .

Its cheaper gives you more flexibility, more cap room and if you did trade
him year two if for some crazy reason you changed your mind , the cap hit equal to the prorated portion of the balance of the original bonus wouldn't cost as much as one year under the franchise tag.

You can thus have your cake and eat it too.

Because we then have two affordable QB contracts until we sort this deal out with options to deal either down the road if we so choose, without taking it up the ass ala the Chargers who got squat for Breeze.



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SD, here is my takeaway

Unread postby jb » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:13 am

Kelly Unitas = Brett Anderson.

Dawg, yer giving opinion & I'm giving you my read on Phil. Apples and starfruit.
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Unread postby jb » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:18 am

Pup wrote:
yogi wrote:Someone (read: CHUD) is watching both of these guys in practice every day.

I think that Phil, RAC and Chud know who can lead this offense and who is the better QB for this offense and has the higher ceiling.

The answer could be that they are both capable and you do what's best for the team by getting the most you can via trade for one.

Can't you see Phill walking off the practice field nearly every day with Chud, asking his thoughts? This decision will get Chud's seal of approval.


Yogi, there is no time for sensible thoughts in this post.


U beat me by many hours to this rack.

Pup, you bastard!

This is no place for logic - let's peg the meter.

Hey, if Phil & Chud aka Browns HC on 2008, think DA is the guy and not BQ, you let HIM go after next season when you make sure DA is really the excrement.

I do love having a Lexis and Beemer in the garage when for so many years all we had was a '75 rusted out El Camino.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:23 am

JB wrote:Hey, if Phil & Chud aka Browns HC on 2008, think DA is the guy and not BQ, you let HIM go after next season when you make sure DA is really the excrement.

I do love having a Lexis and Beemer in the garage when for so many years all we had was a '75 rusted out El Camino.


JB, problem is that nobody is willing to concede that you make this decision after next season.......
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Unread postby jb » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:27 am

You boyees want to run down the hill and fuck the first bitch you see bare assed in the park , instead of taking your time and lining them up so you make sure you fuck em all.


How much time we got here Dawg, cause there's certain physiological realities reagrding the male orgasm compared to a female's. If I only got 5 minuts I'm good wit one.

I' m just sayin'.

But yo, how much of this is Da vs Chud's O vs the emergence of Braylon opening things up like Anna Nicole's legs?
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Unread postby yogi » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:35 am

But yo, how much of this is Da vs Chud's O vs the emergence of Braylon opening things up like Anna Nicole's legs?


Add in the fact that he's standing tall behind a line that allows him time to look recievers off, run his proper check-downs.

No chuckin' and duckin' needed.

DA does get the ball out of there great though, anyone know how Quinn is regarded in doing that? Great thing is, from his seat, he's seeing how important it is to do that. Like a good dance.

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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:45 am

JB wrote:
You boyees want to run down the hill and fuck the first bitch you see bare assed in the park , instead of taking your time and lining them up so you make sure you fuck em all.


How much time we got here Dawg, cause there's certain physiological realities reagrding the male orgasm compared to a female's. If I only got 5 minuts I'm good wit one.

I' m just sayin'.

But yo, how much of this is Da vs Chud's O vs the emergence of Braylon opening things up like Anna Nicole's legs?



SD:

Hell man we got an unlimited supply of Viagra because MBNA prints its own money , a lottery check named the Browns earning seven figuires in interest every month luxury suites private planes a 100 million fans
and field full of hoes at our beck and call.


So why we runnin to get a nut like a 13 year old Jackoff with his first penthouse.

Who cares about why Anderson done blown up , just acknowledge he has same as when Brady took the same Weis offense Bledsoe turned into Chinese arithmatic and just added 2+2 and got 4.

17 TD's aint a fluke which doesn't include the drops including two last week by both Braylon and Winslow.

and

If you think its just the line like Nicole Smiths pussy got some special affrodisiac then how do you explain Frye behind the same team.

Moreover Anderson is making all the throws and not to just Braylon
his swing passes and screens to Jamel clutch throws to Joe Viscious Heiden backs out of the backfield and Winslow have been spread out keeping the defense from keying on a go to target and limiting his effectiveness.

His decision making has been most impressive dumping balls off
running effectively and excelling with on the spot throws in the clutch , and tell me whens the last time you could confidently beleive a Browns QB could convert third and longs after penalties , Anderson does it half a dozen times a game it seems , including converting only to have it called back and then converting the Mutha again.

The last three weeks have been epic and he's still learning , he's not the emotional or physically frail body of a Holcomb with his limitations so why you playin .

Don't hate because he's everythang your honey Timmie wasn't .

A cannon arm emotionally tough , a leader and smart enough to read defenses stay humble and show improvement his third year instead of regressing into a ballin little bitch because the fans booed his ass.


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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:47 am

yogi wrote:
But yo, how much of this is Da vs Chud's O vs the emergence of Braylon opening things up like Anna Nicole's legs?


Add in the fact that he's standing tall behind a line that allows him time to look recievers off, run his proper check-downs.

No chuckin' and duckin' needed.

DA does get the ball out of there great though, anyone know how Quinn is regarded in doing that? Great thing is, from his seat, he's seeing how important it is to do that. Like a good dance.

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No shit



Pssssst here's a little secret ....maybe its the QB
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:54 am

e0y2e3 wrote:
JB wrote:Hey, if Phil & Chud aka Browns HC on 2008, think DA is the guy and not BQ, you let HIM go after next season when you make sure DA is really the excrement.

I do love having a Lexis and Beemer in the garage when for so many years all we had was a '75 rusted out El Camino.


JB, problem is that nobody is willing to concede that you make this decision after next season.......


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Re: SD, here is my takeaway

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:57 am

JB wrote:Kelly Unitas = Brett Anderson.

Dawg, yer giving opinion & I'm giving you my read on Phil. Apples and starfruit.


No your polarizing a bidness decison .

dumping either of these guys right now isn't the only way to build our D line .

We need to sign Anderson long term before the end of the season when its cheaper so we have the advantage to see how this thing turns out rather than back ourselves into the corner ala the Charger model.


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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:05 am

Mitch wrote:I used to love Jay Marrioti when he was just a journalist...years before "Around the Horn".

However...I still watch it sometimes, and Jay is a effin HUGE pimp for the Bears trading for DA. Brought it up again on today's show. He doesn't want Donavan McNabb next year, he wants Derek.

He loves him, and thinks it's a logical trade that gives the Bears a long needed Franchise QB (considering Jim McMahon is the all-time leading Bears QB...that's not much).

IOW...there are a lot of 'experts' out there looking at DA, knowing the situation with BQ, and drooling in anticipation of picking him up.

And if DA has this much interest now...let's just hope he doesn't regress in the second half, and we can get a great bidding war going on between Chicago, Minnesota, and a few others...

You won't get the same interest right now in BQ due to his inexperience, and his contract.

The only things that would truly piss me off would be (a) DA walking as a FA with nothing in return...or (b) tying up so much cap room to keep two QBs under 25 years of age that they can't fix the defense.

Anything else is fair game.


SD:

What have we been speaking CHINESE ,

You sign Anderson now and you eliminate the feeding frenzy
bidding war , and net two good QB's on the cheap.

Marrioti doesn't want Quinn because he despised him when he was at Notre Dame , he's an unproven rookie and he's got eyes enough to see Anderson is playing like an elite QB in the league .

Unlike these star struck groupies around here who have lady queens drawls draped over their heads requiring them to peering out of one of her panty legs to type up their bullsheeit.



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Unread postby pup » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:22 am

You sign Anderson now and you eliminate the feeding frenzy
bidding war , and net two good QB's on the cheap.


What makes you think they will get DA on the cheap?
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:48 am

Pup wrote:
You sign Anderson now and you eliminate the feeding frenzy
bidding war , and net two good QB's on the cheap.


What makes you think they will get DA on the cheap?


SD:

Cheap is relative .

If your Charles Barkley you blow $17,000 on Crystal gambling and entrtaing Jim Romes wife and call Jim Rome cheap for not treating his wife to the good stuff.

When you work for a living you buy two cases for $ 17 dollars on sale of the brand you drink because its cheap compared to $24 at full price.

Which brings on Andersos contract .

If we foolishly embarrass the kid ala Jerry Jones and refuse to sign the kid now in fact insist he prove it next year and its not a fluke , then we pay thru the nose like Romo made Jones pay for his impertinence.

Butt if we wisely approach the man now in the bliss and nirvanna of a good season with a more than fare offer assuaging his ego even more with a bigger signing bonus than Quinn , because he's actually doing something in lieu of paying him solely on potential as is the case with all draft picks not just lady Quinn.

You net a twofer , you give the other vets in the room a comfortable feeling that if they perform the Browns will simarly embrace them ,
and you offer Anderson his dream to continue starting where his career has blown up a comfort level staying in familiar surroundings to continue with his teamates set for life because he got rewarded for his play.


Do it after the season , and it will cost you 30% more.

Franchise him two years in a row and the cap hit exceeds 25 million .

Sign him long term and the cap hit for both QB's over the next 4 years
doesn't equal what you might end up paying for Anderson alone for two years at Franchise rates if you botch the deal ala the Chargers.

Both their contracts together won't equal what we wasted on Couch alone .

He walked with $39.9 million in actual payouts and didn't show enough in his entire career too warrant what Anderson has accomplished in half a season.



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Unread postby Guest » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:24 am

SoulDawg74 wrote:

You sign Anderson now and you eliminate the feeding frenzy
bidding war , and net two good QB's on the cheap.


soulDawg


If Anderson signs right now "on the cheap", then I don't want him as our QB, as he's just proven that he's as dumb as a box of Couch.

DA and his agent are looking at Tony Romo, and seeing $$$$$ 24/7.

If DA stays close to Romo numbers on the field, then he's gonna be asking for Romo $$$.

Anyone thinking differently needs to drop the crack pipe.
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Unread postby XUDawg » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:35 pm

SD:


Which brings on Andersos contract .

If we foolishly embarrass the kid ala Jerry Jones and refuse to sign the kid now in fact insist he prove it next year and its not a fluke , then we pay thru the nose like Romo made Jones pay for his impertinence.

Butt if we wisely approach the man now in the bliss and nirvanna of a good season with a more than fare offer assuaging his ego even more with a bigger signing bonus than Quinn , because he's actually doing something in lieu of paying him solely on potential as is the case with all draft picks not just lady Quinn.

You net a twofer , you give the other vets in the room a comfortable feeling that if they perform the Browns will simarly embrace them ,
and you offer Anderson his dream to continue starting where his career has blown up a comfort level staying in familiar surroundings to continue with his teamates set for life because he got rewarded for his play.


Do it after the season , and it will cost you 30% more.

Franchise him two years in a row and the cap hit exceeds 25 million .

Sign him long term and the cap hit for both QB's over the next 4 years
doesn't equal what you might end up paying for Anderson alone for two years at Franchise rates if you botch the deal ala the Chargers.

Both their contracts together won't equal what we wasted on Couch alone .

He walked with $39.9 million in actual payouts and didn't show enough in his entire career too warrant what Anderson has accomplished in half a season.



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If you think DA or his agent is going to sign midseason for anything less than Tony Romo money you're mad.

A) I'm sure they feel he deserves it.
B) They know even if he doesn't deserve it, somebody else will give it to him in the offseason.
C) Any medium sized contract leaves open his losing the starting job. And after getting his taste of what playing QB feels like in the NFL, he's not going to accept going back to being in a QB competition.

So what you have is a decision to sign him now to Tony Romo money, and lose out on other defensive free agents in the offseason, tender him and accept a trade, or trade Brady.

There is no waiting until after next year, because he's gone before that anyway.
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:19 pm

Some things to remember

First off, it's too late to sign anyone to a 2007 contract. That's why the Cowboys re-upped Romo when they did, so they could get it done before the NFL cutoff and apply some 2007 cap money for the signing bonus.

Second, IMO, it's better NOT to speak interms of contract value but what is guaranteed, because that's all that really matters. Romo only has 2008 and 2009 guaranteed.

You may now return to the debate
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Re: Anybody want to talk about trading Andrson now

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:56 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:Its his team fellas .

The players are playing for him .

He is the man .

We've won three in a row and we're 5-2 when he's at the helm .

The podium is now open for the fuckin fool who wants to make the case to deal this kid for picks and beers.




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At this point its time to get back to why this post was started .

Straight from the horses mouth the same shit I told you all three days ago.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7421548

"This guy is in the weight room, he is in the classroom, he is in the facility more than anyone," Lewis said. "Day in and day out he is there. We feed off of that. That's where it comes from. It's a new offense and he studies to perform like that. And believe me, when you come from where he's come from, you have something to prove every week. That fire burns. We love it. During training camp there was a lot of competing going on. He couldn't get the entire offense down, or take all the snaps with the first team, because he had to compete with Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn. Now it is his system. It's his team."


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Unread postby bostondog » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:09 pm

And after getting his taste of what playing QB feels like in the NFL, he's not going to accept going back to being in a QB competition.


But it's not just an ego thing. Assuming he finishes the year at his current level of play, would you want to come back into a QB competition just because the Browns committed a lot of money to Quinn? Hell no! You'd be pissed because you earned that job on the field of play.

I don't think Anderson signs without assurances that he's the man. He's certainly not going to sign some super flexible deal for short money just to be traded out of town once Quinn is deemed ready. And honestly, I don't think you can blame him for that either.
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Unread postby yogi » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:27 pm

But it's not just an ego thing. Assuming he finishes the year at his current level of play, would you want to come back into a QB competition just because the Browns committed a lot of money to Quinn? Hell no! You'd be pissed because you earned that job on the field of play
.

But did DA ever really win the job?

Frye got it by default because he and DA couldn't win th job outright and then Frye lost it with that putrid performance. DA was next on the depth chart because of experience and the desire not to throw the future into the fire.

Now, DA has played well enough not to "lose" the job, but shoot, one can argue that Quinn has never been given a shot to "win" the job.
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Unread postby XUDawg » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:29 pm

bostondog wrote:
I don't think Anderson signs without assurances that he's the man. He's certainly not going to sign some super flexible deal for short money just to be traded out of town once Quinn is deemed ready. And honestly, I don't think you can blame him for that either.


Bingo!

Derek holds all the cards here. The Browns cannot just "sign him on the cheap," because he'll just give us the finger and walk into the Chicago Bears locker room for 60 million, the starting job, and a ton of endorsements.

Keeping both of these guys around is not an option.
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Unread postby jb » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:49 pm

yogi wrote:
But it's not just an ego thing. Assuming he finishes the year at his current level of play, would you want to come back into a QB competition just because the Browns committed a lot of money to Quinn? Hell no! You'd be pissed because you earned that job on the field of play
.

But did DA ever really win the job?

Frye got it by default because he and DA couldn't win th job outright and then Frye lost it with that putrid performance. DA was next on the depth chart because of experience and the desire not to throw the future into the fire.

Now, DA has played well enough not to "lose" the job, but shoot, one can argue that Quinn has never been given a shot to "win" the job.


Yogs, does it matter?

I mean, I agree with SD in some ways despite his rantings. It doesn't matter how we got here, we got here.

DA is playing inspired ball by any measure; whether he is the Man or just one of the important cogs. You know how hard it's been to get a good QB and it looks like he is one by any objective measure. I don't care if he's from Park Ave or a park bench, he's a good one.

The question is what will Phil do?
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Unread postby yogi » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:52 pm

Yogs, does it matter?

I mean, I agree with SD in some ways despite his rantings. It doesn't matter how we got here, we got here.


Yeah.

I love it that DA is playing great. What if he's the 2nd best QB on the roster?

What if you gave up Tom Brady for Mark Rypien?
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Unread postby jb » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:54 pm

yogi wrote:
Yogs, does it matter?

I mean, I agree with SD in some ways despite his rantings. It doesn't matter how we got here, we got here.


Yeah.

I love it that DA is playing great. What if he's the 2nd best QB on the roster?

What if you gave up Tom Brady for Mark Rypien?


It's gonna be a hell of a decision for Phil to have to make, isn't it?
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:13 pm

JB wrote:
yogi wrote:
Yogs, does it matter?

I mean, I agree with SD in some ways despite his rantings. It doesn't matter how we got here, we got here.


Yeah.

I love it that DA is playing great. What if he's the 2nd best QB on the roster?

What if you gave up Tom Brady for Mark Rypien?


It's gonna be a hell of a decision for Phil to have to make, isn't it?


SD:

Shit , i might be old , butt even my memory tells me Rypien still won a suopie Bowl , which is one more than any Browns QB in our recent last 43 years ago lifetimes,except for those old enough like myself to remember Doc Frank Ryan and Jim Brown winning the NFL Champeeeenship, whuppin the Colts 27-0 after being a decided 17.5 pre game underdog.


So Fuck Pissburgh and there 9 1/2 point favorite status.





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Unread postby yogi » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:22 pm

Shit , i might be old , butt even my memory tells me Rypien still won a suopie Bowl , which is one more than any Browns QB in our recent last 43 years ago lifetimes


AND, Brady has won 3 going on 4.

I just want the Browns to have the best guy behind center.

And we don't choose that guy because he got the 1st shot to run Chud's O, behind this line throwing to those playmakers......
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:27 pm

yogi wrote:
Shit , i might be old , butt even my memory tells me Rypien still won a suopie Bowl , which is one more than any Browns QB in our recent last 43 years ago lifetimes


AND, Brady has won 3 going on 4.

I just want the Browns to have the best guy behind center.

And we don't choose that guy because he got the 1st shot to run Chud's O, behind this line throwing to those playmakers......



SD:

Yeah we just dump him for an unproven talent like the Chargers did with
Rivers because he's a first round pick.

How'd that turn out .


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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:31 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
yogi wrote:
Shit , i might be old , butt even my memory tells me Rypien still won a suopie Bowl , which is one more than any Browns QB in our recent last 43 years ago lifetimes


AND, Brady has won 3 going on 4.

I just want the Browns to have the best guy behind center.

And we don't choose that guy because he got the 1st shot to run Chud's O, behind this line throwing to those playmakers......



SD:

Yeah we just dump him for an unproven talent like the Chargers did with
Rivers because he's a first round pick.

How'd that turn out .


SoulDawg


PS

Brady and Anderson are both sixth rounders who made it hard for the first rounders to find playing time , so is that really the analogy you were trying to make or is it a fruedian slip revealing you really know what i been tellin ya is the truth and your just to stubborn to come correct.



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Unread postby pup » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:56 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
yogi wrote:
Shit , i might be old , butt even my memory tells me Rypien still won a suopie Bowl , which is one more than any Browns QB in our recent last 43 years ago lifetimes


AND, Brady has won 3 going on 4.

I just want the Browns to have the best guy behind center.

And we don't choose that guy because he got the 1st shot to run Chud's O, behind this line throwing to those playmakers......



SD:

Yeah we just dump him for an unproven talent like the Chargers did with
Rivers because he's a first round pick.

How'd that turn out .


SoulDawg


14-2, before getting in a pissing match, shit canning a good coach, losing the good coordinators and hiring Norv Turner.

Next?
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:50 pm

Pup wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
yogi wrote:
Shit , i might be old , butt even my memory tells me Rypien still won a suopie Bowl , which is one more than any Browns QB in our recent last 43 years ago lifetimes


AND, Brady has won 3 going on 4.

I just want the Browns to have the best guy behind center.

And we don't choose that guy because he got the 1st shot to run Chud's O, behind this line throwing to those playmakers......



SD:
...
Yeah we just dump him for an unproven talent like the Chargers did with
Rivers because he's a first round pick.

How'd that turn out .


SoulDawg


14-2, before getting in a pissing match, shit canning a good coach, losing the good coordinators and hiring Norv Turner.

Next?


SD:

I got your next right here.

Turner tutored Aikman so that aint an excusefor Rivers abysmal play .

Peeps assumed he was ready for the next step after last years defense and LT's running carried his lost ass thru the year .

When he had to make plays however this year , now all the chickens have come to roost .

The Charger Braintrust got into the plug an play nintendo thinking which permeates this board , dumping proven coaches and players assuming the next best thang could just be plugged right in with no consequence.

Brees made that team go zoom zoom zoom , so the dummies
In Charger land espousing the same dumb shit as yourself assumed
they'd plug in Rivers and get the same result .

Proof positive asshole thinking aint just restricted to this board.

Assumption is the mutha of all fuckups , since i pointed that out to ya allready and you still persist that makes you .......................

...errr ......a...................Not very smart




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Unread postby pup » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:59 pm

Did you not watch that team go 14-2 with Philip Rivers last year? Boy, they sure did miss Drew Brees. Not to mention, they got nothing for Brees, we are talking about getting a 1st and a 3rd for DA.

The Norv Turner analogy is based on his past record as a heaad coach. Sure as an OC he helped Aikman, but as a HC, he is a mule. The excuse for Rivers abysmal play is having a HC that ain't a HC. The entire team is abysmal. The Chargers failures are team related.

All the players are the same, the teams goes from 14-2 to 4-4 and you see fault in 1 player. Thanks for proving your blindness.

Brees made that team go zoom zoom zoom , so the dummies
In Charger land espousing the same dumb shit as yourself assumed
they'd plug in Rivers and get the same result .


Hey numnuts, they actually got better. Missed the playoffs with super Brees, went 14-2 without him. Man that Rivers choice really screwed them over!

Assuming you could comprehend anything requiring more than pounding your knuckles on a keyboard, not that is a fuckup.
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Unread postby bostondog » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:08 pm

yogi wrote:But did DA ever really win the job?


Assuming he continues this level of play, what more do you want him to do? I'm not bothered one bit that Quinn didn't get a chance to start. This is about winning, not fairness. Quinn has millions to console himself with in that case.

And honestly, we don't know that Phil, Romeo, and Chud haven't decided to keep Anderson. Think about it this way: Anderson moves on to more success while Quinn comes in and bombs. It won't be fun being the GM, coach, or QB in that situation.

And we don't choose that guy because he got the 1st shot to run Chud's O, behind this line throwing to those playmakers......


What better measure than real games? I'm certainly not going to use Quinn's Notre Dame play to say he'll be a better NFL starter than the guy who is getting it done at that level now.

It's a huge decision. And that's why it'll be awfully interesting to see how this plays out. I think it's risky to ditch a guy who's in the process of developing into a pretty good starter just because you have a #1 pick on the bench or you want to pick a defensive player in this years draft.

Additionally, I think Anderson is proving he's more than just a game manager. Many are pointing to the offensive line and skill positions as sole determinants of success; however, Anderson is leading this team. Even when they are down big, you can tell the team believes in him and responds to him. He looks like more than a Trent Dilferish game manager to me.
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:11 pm

Pup wrote:Did you not watch that team go 14-2 with Philip Rivers last year? Boy, they sure did miss Drew Brees. Not to mention, they got nothing for Brees, we are talking about getting a 1st and a 3rd for DA.

The Norv Turner analogy is based on his past record as a heaad coach. Sure as an OC he helped Aikman, but as a HC, he is a mule. The excuse for Rivers abysmal play is having a HC that ain't a HC. The entire team is abysmal. The Chargers failures are team related.

All the players are the same, the teams goes from 14-2 to 4-4 and you see fault in 1 player. Thanks for proving your blindness.

Brees made that team go zoom zoom zoom , so the dummies
In Charger land espousing the same dumb shit as yourself assumed
they'd plug in Rivers and get the same result .


Hey numnuts, they actually got better. Missed the playoffs with super Brees, went 14-2 without him. Man that Rivers choice really screwed them over!

Assuming you could comprehend anything requiring more than pounding your knuckles on a keyboard, not that is a fuckup.



SD:

Actually numbnuts has a"B" in it , i'm sure you would have caught that if you weren't so exasperated trying to defend your hopelessly
compromised position.

Few are gracious in defeat but since your a Browns fan i won't
burn down your house and leave you bent over arail when I capture your flag .

Damn soft spot gets in the way some times.


The Chargers had a better team in 2006 than any unit when Brees was there , that team got to 14-2 inspite of Rivers however then couldn't go beyond a first round knockout because in the playoffs your QB has to make plays especially in the clutch

Something he couldn't do then and something he's continuing to struggle with now .

Which bring sus back to Anderson , and that little Joke of a stoopid comment about how he aint earned the #1 spot .

Did you not read the specific comments by Jamel Lewis team leader and appointed Captain by the players that this is Dereks team echoing the exact same point I started this post with five days ago.

Just save me the trouble of having to continuously put my foot in your ass and slap yourself for your impertinence and maybe I'll forgive ya ,

hell i might even consider keepin you around like a puppy or somethin.


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Unread postby jfiling » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:45 pm

Few are gracious in defeat but since your a Browns fan


Since we're correcting spelling, it's "you're".

And you still aren't dealing with this realistically, not to mention that your comparisons suck. Would any Browns fan take a Quinn season equal to the Rivers season last year? Only an idiot wouldn't.

Furthermore, knowing that the worst we can get a 1st and 3rd for DA, and have Quinn playing behind our new awesome OL and throwing to our 3 play makers, why would anyone have sand in their vagina about losing DA? This team needs as many weapons in the draft and free agency to upgrade the defense, but some people have a ridiculous hard-on for keeping one player over upgrading the team as a whole.
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:10 pm

jfiling wrote:
Few are gracious in defeat but since your a Browns fan


Since we're correcting spelling, it's "you're".

And you still aren't dealing with this realistically, not to mention that your comparisons suck. Would any Browns fan take a Quinn season equal to the Rivers season last year? Only an idiot wouldn't.

Furthermore, knowing that the worst we can get a 1st and 3rd for DA, and have Quinn playing behind our new awesome OL and throwing to our 3 play makers, why would anyone have sand in their vagina about losing DA? This team needs as many weapons in the draft and free agency to upgrade the defense, but some people have a ridiculous hard-on for keeping one player over upgrading the team as a whole.




SD:

Didn't realize you had to squat to pee, so I'm sorry to hear you got sand in your cunt , which sounds like a damn uncomfortable position
as taken from your first hand account .

I suggest a strong douche with vinegar or one of the commercial mixes
and when you get your hygenic problems cleaned up and a fresh knew rag read yet another writer who relays the same message , i been preachin
to you chorus girls .

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Co ... 110907.htm

"""""This shouldn't be misinterpreted as to mean Anderson is a future perennial Pro-Bowl lock. Far from that. But for as much as fans, analysts and even players gushed about Quinn's limitless potential and sterling work in the preseason, Anderson trumps his rookie position-mate in the one area that matters most: He's proven himself in actual NFL games. The importance of having such proven commodities at quarterback can't be overlooked. The NFL is littered with the carnage of too many “can't miss” quarterbacks to think that Quinn's immune to a similar fate. Thinking otherwise would be equal parts foolishness and arrogance.

With Anderson set to become a restricted free agent after the season, the Browns are expected to lock him up, especially if he continues his current pace through the remainder of the schedule. It's even more likely that the Browns will fail to see another team part ways with a top draft-pick for the rights to him, partly because of his sixth-round stigma and partly because of his limited body of work. But a Browns front office that's had an up-close view of him guiding their club to it current level knows what he's capable of and should be weary of messing with a winning hand.

Quinn, on other hand, has maintained enough of a mystique to render him as a legitimate piece of first-round trade bait. In fact, his year spent refining his craft and learning the nuances of the professional game makes him an even more attractive option. None of three consensus first-round quarterbacks entering the '08 draft — Boston College's Matt Ryan, Kentucky's Andre Woodson and Louisville's Brian Brohn — are expected to grade out as highly as Quinn, and you can bet teams such as the Vikings or Chiefs would jump at the chance to acquire him.""""

I want to keep both so I'm in disagreement with this writer that QB depth is a luxury we can't afford , butt we are in lock step on who should be traded if push comes to shove .

The mutha Fucka who aint never done nothin.

Repeat for the nth time .

You don't fix what aint broke ,

Your don't fuck with success.

You don't trade your playmakers.



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Unread postby pup » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:28 am

I have run into some real hard heads in my day, but SD, you by far take the cake.

If Quinn is the one to go, then he is the one to go. I have yet to hear someone not say this.

Even the article that you use as support (I use the term losely being from PFW and all) agrees with us. They can't keep both.

You are saying DA is the man based on 7 footbal games. You are saying there is no way, in 7 games next year, Quinn couldn't make your panites as wet as DA does? Why? Cuz you don't like him?

For real smalls, your killing me. Take a couple of days away from the keyboard and come out kicking it with some anti-squealer rants for Sunday.
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Unread postby yogi » Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:04 am

This situation kinda reminds me of the old "Let's Make a Deal": show with Monty Hall.

Phil Savage has won a brand new washer & dryer. Just what the Brown family needed!

But here comes Monty and asks Phil if he's like to have a chance to win the grand prize of the day.

What does Phil do? Trade in the much needed washer & dryer for a chance at a vaction in Hawaii? a new sports car? or Jay painting the living room with 10 gallons of glidden sunset yellow paint?

What's behind curtain number 2?

Sure would be great if we knew that before trading in that washer & dryer!
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Unread postby HoodooMan » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:40 am

The Chargers had a better team in 2006 than any unit when Brees was there , that team got to 14-2 inspite of Rivers however then couldn't go beyond a first round knockout because in the playoffs your QB has to make plays especially in the clutch

Just look at SD working.

It isn't ironic that SD74 says the Chargers won in spite of Rivers with his 92 rating while not appearing very open to the idea that we're winning in spite of DA now with his 95 rating. No, it's opening the next door, the one he walks through when we fail to go beyond a first round knockout; the one that reads like this: "It's Brady Quinn's team now. [insert SD74-style over the top predictions of future success for BQ...here] DA had his shot at glory, and he... [insert SD74-style metaphor for sexual failure...here... and proceed to backtrack from previous SD74-style over the top predictions of future success for DA...here]."
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Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:32 am

Yogi sums it up better than I could with any Chris Miller / Brett Favre analogy. Rack it. :D
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Unread postby bostondog » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:09 pm

why would anyone have sand in their vagina about losing DA?


Because nobody, including Phil, knows how Quinn is going to play. It's all speculation until he hits the field.

And frankly, it's mystifying why people can't wait to run Anderson out of town for a few draft picks the way he's playing.
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:25 pm

HoodooMan wrote:The Chargers had a better team in 2006 than any unit when Brees was there , that team got to 14-2 inspite of Rivers however then couldn't go beyond a first round knockout because in the playoffs your QB has to make plays especially in the clutch
Just look at SD working.

It isn't ironic that SD74 says the Chargers won in spite of Rivers with his 92 rating while not appearing very open to the idea that we're winning in spite of DA now with his 95 rating. No, it's opening the next door, the one he walks through when we fail to go beyond a first round knockout; the one that reads like this: "It's Brady Quinn's team now. [insert SD74-style over the top predictions of future success for BQ...here] DA had his shot at glory, and he... [insert SD74-style metaphor for sexual failure...here... and proceed to backtrack from previous SD74-style over the top predictions of future success for DA...here]."

SD:

Hi honey , glad to see you want to add your tired little voice to the other girls in the choir.

While i applaud your efforts the part really requires a mans deep voice of reasoning and resonant logic ie .

lets look at the facts .

The Chargers were led by one of the premiere defenses in the NFL last year and Ladanian Tomlinson 20 plus rushing TD's .

Philip Rivers was allowed to relax and operate completely out of the catbird seat ala Ben Toothlesburgers Steelers when Jerome Bettis and company bludgeoned opponents with their vaunted running game
sprinkled in with wide open pass plays like garnish added to a finely crfated meal .

In short he wasn't asked to do much had plenty of suppoprt and like Rivers enjoyed the short field set up by a swarming turnover producing top flight defense.

Contrast that to this year , when the running game has been neutralized and Rivers now has to make plays and the chickens have come home to roost .

He's having the same problems Toothlesburger expereinced last year Sans Jerome Bettis .

Meanwhile back at the ranch .

Derek Anderson has gone True Wheeze in as much as he is the Ctatlyst
the Ethanol in the tank that puts the whoosh in our swagger .

The team revolves around his performance , as he is constantly called upon to make big play after big play after big play .

Bringing this team from behind in two consecutive contests in consecutive improbable Victories Kardiac kid style on top of an outright asswhuppin of the Phins .

His prolific passing has set up the running game not the other way around ,and he beat one of the NFC best defenses last week when they knew he had to pass to make up the deficit as our running game had been held squarely in check all day.

The kid is making plays at a Pro Bowl rate , and performing at a Pro Bowl level it doesn't matter he was second behind Frye and thought only to be a caretaker until we ramped Quinn upto speed .

All that matters is what he's done and what he's doing ,
and where he's taken this team from the time he quit looking over his shoulder and was given the reins .

As a starter save for blocked FG agasint the Raiduhs he's 6-1
againstt a schedule even die hard Browns fans were envisioning as 2-5 considering our opponents , with nost fans counting wins against Oakland and Miami and losses to everybody else.

He's the Oil well you hit in the back yard when you were just drilling for water , and you dummies wantt to put a cap on him because he's getting the dress of lady Quinn dirty as he keeps spouting out his talent.

Recognize what you have first .

Never mind what you planned .

Reminds me of General Marshalls son a general himself , landing 1500 yards down the beach in Normandy from the planned landing area , and encountering weak to no resistance , and some dumb ass aid wanted to know if they were going to reload and reland at the point they were supposed to land .

his reply was hell no we 'll just start the war right here we're we are at.

So I tell you ladies , forget Lady Quinn for right now ,
and all those plans to relaod and start all over because thats shit thinking.

We're on the beach on our feet with weapons in hand loaded for bear
so lets start the fuckin war from where we're at .

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Unread postby HoodooMan » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:53 pm

Hi honey , glad to see you want to add your tired little voice to the other girls in the choir.

Now, schnookums, that's no way to speak to your honey.

Philip Rivers was allowed to relax and operate completely out of the catbird seat ala Ben Toothlesburgers Steelers when Jerome Bettis and company bludgeoned opponents with their vaunted running game
sprinkled in with wide open pass plays like garnish added to a finely crfated meal


It would help if while "looking at the facts" you didn't make shit up. In 2004 & 2005, Roethlisberger threw the ball 295 & 268 times in the regular season, about 18 & 17 attempts per game.

Phillip Rivers had 460 attempts in 2006. Or about 29 attempts a game.

That isn't leaning on LDT and asking him to manage the game, and he did what he did with one legit receiver: Antonio Gates. DA has a TE at least as good as Gates and two WRs better than anything the Chargers had last year, including Braylon Edwards who just so happens to be one of the best in the game right now. And while our running game certainly isn't '06 LDT-led Chargers good, it gives DA plenty of support.

Honey.
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