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Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Football!!

Unread postby justmebd » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:06 am

If this gets everyone back here, it will be worth it.

So watchya got?

I thought the "I can't hear you because of all the money in my fucking hand!" was equal parts hilarious and frightening.

Hilarious for obvious reasons, frightening because it had a very Ryan Leaf "Public Pressure will cause me to fold like a lawn chair" vibe to it.
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:33 pm

Tsk tsk... bringing up the most overblown topic in today's sporting world is likely to drive people further underground.

My take is that until we see the guy play we have no idea what (if any) affect his lifestyle has on his professional performance. I think Johnny and his Magic Swan is either a legit concern or much ado about nothing. I have no clue which one. But it's not like he never partied at A&M.

I reiterate that when/if Manziel fails, it'll be for reasons that still would've been there had he spent his entire offseason locked in a monastery with a playbook.
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Unread postby Spin » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:23 pm

It's worth a shot. LeBJ and KLove didn't move the needle at all.
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Unread postby StewieG » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:34 pm

Spin wrote:It's worth a shot. LeBJ and KLove didn't move the needle at all.


When one of them is actually a member of the team, I'll get excited. Until then they're just lube for the Cleveland dream boner.
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Unread postby Nicastro13 » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:38 am

I'm interested to see the preseason unfold and the actual games. Everything I've read is how far ahead hoyer is and I'd like to see that for myself. But like Hiko says until he hits the field who knows. This doesnt come as a surprise to me that dude is partying on his off days. Follow any of these guys on instagram they all are, its just Johnny is a rock star and people cant wait to get what hes doin out there and again no big shock there.
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:52 pm

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever.
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Unread postby justmebd » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:30 pm

I'm out. Fuck this guy.
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Unread postby General » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:56 am

Here is my scenario...Hoyer plays OK but the screams for JFF are too much and he comes in and catches lightning in a bottle. Browns go 11-5 make some noise in playoffs, hopes and dreams reach insane proportions, Super Bowl mania sweeps the town. Then Spazell goes out and gets a DUI or some other party animal related setback like a club fight or worse. Hopes extinguished once again and darkness returns.
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Unread postby scott » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:32 am

General wrote:Here is my scenario...Hoyer plays OK but the screams for JFF are too much and he comes in and catches lightning in a bottle. Browns go 11-5 make some noise in playoffs, hopes and dreams reach insane proportions, Super Bowl mania sweeps the town. Then Spazell goes out and gets a DUI or some other party animal related setback like a club fight or worse. Hopes extinguished once again and darkness returns.


If they go 11-5 Browns fans will pass around a hat and cover his bail.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby scott » Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:34 am



Don't like this pic. Beebs and Mayweather are both knuckleheads. First off-field episode that bothered me. Hope he grows up quick. Hope Browns find him a decent mentor that he will listen to.
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Unread postby justmebd » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:06 pm

This is how you get underage women to accuse you of rape.

Cue the first lawsuit in 3-2-1 . . .

I really didn't care before this pic, but this is how you completely fuck up your career.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:18 pm

scott wrote:


Don't like this pic. Beebs and Mayweather are both knuckleheads. First off-field episode that bothered me. Hope he grows up quick. Hope Browns find him a decent mentor that he will listen to.


Yep. Cuz that's a gaggle of major douchebags.
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Unread postby Love child of shawn kemp » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:54 pm

Justin F'in Bieber????????
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Unread postby googleeph2 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:04 pm

Love child of shawn kemp wrote:Justin F'in Bieber????????


Yeah, and now he'll be sportin the same Browns caps I wear. Not good.

But I still haven't seen any reason to hate Manziel yet.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:36 pm

googleeph2 wrote:
Love child of shawn kemp wrote:Justin F'in Bieber????????


Yeah, and now he'll be sportin the same Browns caps I wear. Not good.

But I still haven't seen any reason to hate Manziel yet.


I don't hate Manziel. If I end up hating anyone, it'll be Ray Farmer.

It's not like Manziel hid who he was. His license plate says "D-BAG" for Pete's sake.

Hoping football season changes my opinion. He'd better be freakin' good for all the annoyance he's worth. Or maybe the Browns are trying to extend Hoyer cuz they've already written him off as a bad pick too.
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Unread postby bookelly » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:45 pm

All I care about is winning football games. If JFF wins a Superbowl he can dance naked in a vat of chili on acid for all I care.

Sheesh...don't any of you guys remember what it's like to be 21? And he's got money, fame and girls out his ass. It'd be wrong if he DIDN'T party.

/fuck Bieber. But it's great to see JFF at least cool enough to hang with the boys. Unlike the idiots over on that "other" Browns site.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:51 am

bookelly wrote:All I care about is winning football games. If JFF wins a Superbowl he can dance naked in a vat of chili on acid for all I care.

Sheesh...don't any of you guys remember what it's like to be 21? And he's got money, fame and girls out his ass. It'd be wrong if he DIDN'T party.

/fuck Bieber. But it's great to see JFF at least cool enough to hang with the boys. Unlike the idiots over on that "other" Browns site.


Yep, I (vaguely) remember what it was like to be 21. I partied just as hard as Johnny. 'Course, I was a dud in the NFL too. Didn't even make it, in fact.

Again, as far as I'm concerned, the partying/douchebagginess has nothing to do with his NFL production. That likely will be shit because he's limited physically and just doesn't have the skills and ain't smart enough/is too entitled to learn 'em. But maybe he's just magical.

Party on, Garth.

PS - If he's got girls out his ass, he really needs to read a manual. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:05 pm

I'm sorry. I know some of you guys disagree with me.

QBs are supposed to be leaders of your team.
Leaders are supposed to be competitors.
Competitors are supposed to hate losing. They despise it.
Competitors are driven to win. It drives everything they do.
Competitors believe they can't do enough to lead their team.
Competitors are always going to go the extra mile to give his team the BEST chance to succeed, not just A chance to succeed, the best chance to succeed.
Competitors are never punching a time clock.
Competitors (at least 1st year ones who don't know the league) don't think weekends are "their time."
Competitors lead by example. Competitors lead by caring more about the team than they do themselves.
Competitors are doing everything they can. Including on weekends.

I think coaches are competitors.
I think coaches care about winning.
I think coaches are driven to see their teams improve.
I have a feeling coaches aren't partying on weekends.

Players like JFF make as much as coaches.
Why do we expect less from players than coaches?

Culture.
You hear about team culture. A culture of success.
For the past so-many years, the Browns have not had a culture of success.
The Browns should do everything they can to have a culture of success.
A guy like JFF kills the culture of a team, a culture of success.

I hated the pick when we made it.
So I guess I agree with you that I should be ticked at Farmer.

Maybe its just me. But it seems like the Browns' brass spends more time defending JFF's actions than they do talking about his progress. You telling me that's not a distraction?

Oh, and lets make sure we include Gordon to this culture.
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Unread postby General » Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:39 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^

As Kramer would say, "EXACTLY!!!!!"
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Unread postby OldDawg » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:24 pm

And now the Browns are chiming in on Johnny Distraction:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... _john.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 15719.html

Oh, and BTW, for those of you who think Johnny Distraction can party all weekend "as long as it doesn't effect his play," it appears that it already does. AND it is effecting the culture in the lockerroom.

Also blame the Browns who now say they are surprised by his antics. Are you serious??
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:04 am

"Cabot is one of the best and most respected voices on the Browns beat..."

Kinda tells me all I Ned to know about the legitimacy of the Yahoo article.




OldDawg wrote:And now the Browns are chiming in on Johnny Distraction:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... _john.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 15719.html

Oh, and BTW, for those of you who think Johnny Distraction can party all weekend "as long as it doesn't effect his play," it appears that it already does. AND it is effecting the culture in the lockerroom.

Also blame the Browns who now say they are surprised by his antics. Are you serious??
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:47 am

mattvan1 wrote:"Cabot is one of the best and most respected voices on the Browns beat..."

Kinda tells me all I Ned to know about the legitimacy of the Yahoo article.


Yep, that jumped out at me as well.

"Fredo is one of the best and most respected voices in the Corleone family..."
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Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:06 am

mattvan1 wrote:"Cabot is one of the best and most respected voices on the Browns beat..."

Kinda tells me all I Ned to know about the legitimacy of the Yahoo article.




OldDawg wrote:And now the Browns are chiming in on Johnny Distraction:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... _john.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 15719.html

Oh, and BTW, for those of you who think Johnny Distraction can party all weekend "as long as it doesn't effect his play," it appears that it already does. AND it is effecting the culture in the lockerroom.

Also blame the Browns who now say they are surprised by his antics. Are you serious??


So she's making this stuff up?
A) You don't make stuff like this up.
B) My guess is that the Browns want this stuff out there. You don't accidentally leak this stuff. They want to increase the pressure on JFF to get focused on football. And then "officially" they can still give the company line on record.
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:29 am

OldDawg wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:"Cabot is one of the best and most respected voices on the Browns beat..."

Kinda tells me all I Ned to know about the legitimacy of the Yahoo article.




OldDawg wrote:And now the Browns are chiming in on Johnny Distraction:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... _john.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 15719.html

Oh, and BTW, for those of you who think Johnny Distraction can party all weekend "as long as it doesn't effect his play," it appears that it already does. AND it is effecting the culture in the lockerroom.

Also blame the Browns who now say they are surprised by his antics. Are you serious??


So she's making this stuff up?
A) You don't make stuff like this up.
B) My guess is that the Browns want this stuff out there. You don't accidentally leak this stuff. They want to increase the pressure on JFF to get focused on football. And then "officially" they can still give the company line on record.


MKC is a hack. 99% of her piece were summaries of old interviews and what she actually wrote on her own was sensationalized. "Partied hard" ? How does she know? Because he had his picture taken in Vegas? With Beebs?

Do I think Pettine called after the rolled up bill photo? Yes. Do I think the Browns are disappointed? Yes.

Do I think they are alarmed and feel Manziel lost ground in the QB battle? No. And the "he regressed in OTAs"? Where did that come from? Funny it did not get reported at the time.

And I don't even like Manziel.
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Unread postby pod2dawg » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:27 pm

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny......oh what it would be like to be Johnny. Johnny is about to find out just how serious shit gets when the Big Boys start crackin pads. I predict a "rocky" start in pre-season for him as he will soon realize his God given talent won't be enough. He doesn't quite comprehend the amount of time & energy pro-d's will expend to scheme his tendencies....yet.

He is a competitive little prick that hates losing ( what I like best about him). Anybody remember the play when A&M fumbled on the opponent 2yard line, the defender picked it up and ran the length of the field before Johnny chased him down and beat the ball out of his hand inside the 10yd. line? I think it was against Ole Miss or Miss. State. That's when I became a fan.

He will channel his " Bieber" spirit, dedicate himself and be ready when Hoyer can't elude Shazier on a roll-out. Guaranteed success? No way in Hell. Guaranteed if Johnny goes down or "busts" he won't go out with any bullets left in his gun...or his belt. He's got the fire.
We need some f$%%^&cking fire up there.

If Hoyer/JF don't make the grade. Farmer has 2 picks to go after Mariota, Hundley, Famous Jameis. I'm good with that.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:33 pm

OldDawg wrote:I'm sorry. I know some of you guys disagree with me.

QBs are supposed to be leaders of your team.
Leaders are supposed to be competitors.
Competitors are supposed to hate losing. They despise it.
Competitors are driven to win. It drives everything they do.
Competitors believe they can't do enough to lead their team.
Competitors are always going to go the extra mile to give his team the BEST chance to succeed, not just A chance to succeed, the best chance to succeed.
Competitors are never punching a time clock.
Competitors (at least 1st year ones who don't know the league) don't think weekends are "their time."
Competitors lead by example. Competitors lead by caring more about the team than they do themselves.
Competitors are doing everything they can. Including on weekends.

I think coaches are competitors.
I think coaches care about winning.
I think coaches are driven to see their teams improve.
I have a feeling coaches aren't partying on weekends.

Players like JFF make as much as coaches.
Why do we expect less from players than coaches?

Culture.
You hear about team culture. A culture of success.
For the past so-many years, the Browns have not had a culture of success.
The Browns should do everything they can to have a culture of success.
A guy like JFF kills the culture of a team, a culture of success.

I hated the pick when we made it.
So I guess I agree with you that I should be ticked at Farmer.

Maybe its just me. But it seems like the Browns' brass spends more time defending JFF's actions than they do talking about his progress. You telling me that's not a distraction?

Oh, and lets make sure we include Gordon to this culture.



You are getting waaay to bent out of shape here.

What he does ON THE FIELD fills any void above. If he can PLAY at this level, he'll lead. Not sure what makes you think he won't COMPETE, cause I don't care for the pick, but if you gotta give Johhny F. one thing, through all the nonsense LAST year, he went out every Saturday and BALLLED.

And I'd hate to have Johhny F. ruin the great culture surrounding the Cleveland Browns.

If he plays well, his teammates won't give a shit if he's doin' blow on a trapeeze.

Period.

Again, I would note last year, when the guy was the only guy getting paid AND there were all the antics going on. If he wasn't answering the bell for his teammates, you could bet your ass you'da a heard about guys on the team not liking him, being jealous, and the like.

Nothing...NOTHING matters except whether he can play or not. I don't like the pick cause I don't think he can. But if he can, and his behavior was TWICE as bad, well, then he shoulda been #1 overall.

And Jesus, we act like these professional staffs rarely run into young, entitled, immature assholes that never had to follow rules before. If Johnny F lasts two years and Mike Pettine 10, he'll have 8 more years of headaches in this regard long after Johhny F is gone.
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Unread postby OldDawg » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:16 am

We are calling JFF a competitor because he competes on game day. That's fine.
I think a competitor competes all week... on and off the field. Competitors prepare.

We are calling JFF a leader because he "leads" on game day.
I think a leader leads every day. And goes the extra mile. The extra time in the film room. In the playbook. If you really think he is doing that right now, you've really lowered the bar.

The kid has some natural gifts. He certainly makes plays. But on the topic of playbook, MANY of JFF's plays made in college were outside of the playbook, not inside it. Do any of us really know how well of a playbook guy he was in college? Now, I didn't see a ton of him in college, but it seems most of his plays were broken plays.

And IF Calbot is correct in her article, and JFF made tons of promises to change his ways... that doesn't bother you guys? Holy crap. You want to entrust the team to a guy that constantly bare-face lies to you?

I know its early to make judgments. However, I would feel a lot better if the kid was making some effort to show people that he's serious about this.

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Unread postby OldDawg » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:44 am

leadpipe wrote:And I'd hate to have Johhny F. ruin the great culture surrounding the Cleveland Browns.

That's kind of my point. There is no culture of success. You always hear new coaches talking about changing the culture of a team that hasn't been successful. JFF's antics are helping the culture. They are a distraction to it.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:39 am

The bottom line is the list of NFL QB's that got it done on the field, but lost the team for off field conduct is short. Very short. Practically non-existent.

The list of those that COULDN'T play - than got bitched about by their teammates for everything under the sun is long.

Can anyone find me a quote along the lines of, "The guy can put up points, read the field like no other, and can make every throw - but his hangin' out with strippers is bullshit." From a teammate, about a guy that has proven himself on the field?

Worrying about anything other than if he can move the GD football is pointless.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:22 pm

pod2dawg wrote:Johnny, Johnny, Johnny......oh what it would be like to be Johnny. Johnny is about to find out just how serious shit gets when the Big Boys start crackin pads. I predict a "rocky" start in pre-season for him as he will soon realize his God given talent won't be enough. He doesn't quite comprehend the amount of time & energy pro-d's will expend to scheme his tendencies....yet.

He is a competitive little prick that hates losing ( what I like best about him). Anybody remember the play when A&M fumbled on the opponent 2yard line, the defender picked it up and ran the length of the field before Johnny chased him down and beat the ball out of his hand inside the 10yd. line? I think it was against Ole Miss or Miss. State. That's when I became a fan.

He will channel his " Bieber" spirit, dedicate himself and be ready when Hoyer can't elude Shazier on a roll-out. Guaranteed success? No way in Hell. Guaranteed if Johnny goes down or "busts" he won't go out with any bullets left in his gun...or his belt. He's got the fire.
We need some f$%%^&cking fire up there.

If Hoyer/JF don't make the grade. Farmer has 2 picks to go after Mariota, Hundley, Famous Jameis. I'm good with that.


I think this year is probably a lost cause for Manziel as he realizes that he can't just show up, improvise, try hard, get excited, and succeed. He'll need to study too. He'll need to work just as hard Monday - Saturday as he does on Sunday. They have actual playbooks on this level.

So after a relative failure of a rookie season and his first experience with public criticism for his on-field performance, maybe he'll realize that if he truly wants to "wreck the league" he's gonna have to work like a professional.

Then we'll see if there's really anything there.
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Unread postby pup » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:49 pm

The browns intentionally leak a report saying they are surprised by JFF partying? As dumb as they may be, there is no way they would leak something that makes them look even more clueless. Pat Freakin Shurmur isnt surprised that JFF parties. You think Ray Farmer is?
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby danwismar » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:55 pm

I don't know, pup....they said they were "alarmed", not surprised, by some of Johnny's antics....and I think it's fair to say it was the bill-rolling photo that got them alarmed...because it's the kind of thing that takes the "well, he isn't doing anything illegal" argument right out the window. Not only is it more serious than champagne, but it can get you thrown out of the league (IOW, one play away from Tyler Thigpen)

I thought they handled the situation pretty responsibly at the start of camp. The "let's feed JFF a slice of humble pie" campaign has been ongoing since draft day, because lowering the insane expectations of local fans and national media is something that desperately needed doing. They had the disappointed father figure Haslam saying "we expected better" etc., and then JFF reading his prepared script about knuckling down from here on out...and Pettine refusing to divulge details of their "talk" while letting it be known that they had one.

The best thing that happened this past weekend is that they let the fans and the media see for themselves what team officials have been saying since mini-camps and OTA's....that Hoyer is way ahead of JFF in the race to be the starting QB for this team...based on performance on the field...not anything else.

I didn't favor drafting the kid because I dreaded the 3-ring media circus we are seeing now. The best way to have all that BS die down is to have him spend the season with a clipboard and a ball cap on the sidelines no matter what Hoyer does.

Also loved LP's observation that this guy just happens to be the asshole of the moment for the coaching staff. There's plenty more where he came from in the college ranks, and we will never be done with them.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Triple-S » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:22 am

I'm just enjoying the ride right now.

You know, it's really interesting to see ESPN all over Berea even if it is strictly because we have a "polarizing" figure they seem to want to build up as the next Lebron/Tebow/whatever the hell JFF is.

Good Pro QB? The hell if I know. But I don't feel so much "Sky is falling" with the guy regardless.

Same thing with the Cavs right now. Just kind of enjoying things as they come.
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:29 pm

We'll see. Torn right now between hoping he wins the job so we can see what he's got to not wanting to see him thrown to the wolves too early.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Funky Cold Luis Medina » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:50 am

I haven't posted on here at all in two years or regularly in four. Jesus.

I'm with those just enjoying the ride. It's not like we can do much more than that-- he's ours, we may as well hope for the best but also not be surprised if it blows up in our face, and it beats the hell out of pounding the table and screaming "DAMMIT, WEEDEN!"

FWIW, I got to chat briefly with Manziel a week ago. The company I work with has him on an autograph and memorabilia contract and as the only Browns fan in the company, I made sure to get a chance to at least quickly meet him. Was pleasantly surprised, seemed like a good guy.

On the field, I liked what I saw Saturday. Yes, it was against the Lions' second team defense, but still. He only had what I thought was one bad decision and it ended up working out fine. As long as he wins, I don't care what happens off the field. I'll take a winner who might get in trouble over a loser who follows all the rules. We've had enough of the latter.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Spin » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:04 pm

Talk radio is going ape shit over the Browns signing Rex Grossman, starting shit that they MUST be trading Hoyer. I guess they have never seen an NFL team that had three fuckin QB's on the roster. One of the hacks is a Browns employee. I've seen them go three deep in one game.

And ESPN is going ape shit over a three way QB controversy. Hello??? Whan was the last time Grossman started a game?

JHC we need a media outlet that has some goddamn sense...
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:23 pm

Spin wrote:Talk radio is going ape shit over the Browns signing Rex Grossman, starting shit that they MUST be trading Hoyer. I guess they have never seen an NFL team that had three fuckin QB's on the roster. One of the hacks is a Browns employee. I've seen them go three deep in one game.

And ESPN is going ape shit over a three way QB controversy. Hello??? Whan was the last time Grossman started a game?

JHC we need a media outlet that has some goddamn sense...


Yep, maybe the media should've noticed that Tyler Thigpen was cut at the same time that Grossman was signed. That *might* be a hint at what role he will fill in Cleveland...
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby OldDawg » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:37 pm

leadpipe wrote:
OldDawg wrote:I'm sorry. I know some of you guys disagree with me.

QBs are supposed to be leaders of your team.
Leaders are supposed to be competitors.
Competitors are supposed to hate losing. They despise it.
Competitors are driven to win. It drives everything they do.
Competitors believe they can't do enough to lead their team.
Competitors are always going to go the extra mile to give his team the BEST chance to succeed, not just A chance to succeed, the best chance to succeed.
Competitors are never punching a time clock.
Competitors (at least 1st year ones who don't know the league) don't think weekends are "their time."
Competitors lead by example. Competitors lead by caring more about the team than they do themselves.
Competitors are doing everything they can. Including on weekends.

I think coaches are competitors.
I think coaches care about winning.
I think coaches are driven to see their teams improve.
I have a feeling coaches aren't partying on weekends.

Players like JFF make as much as coaches.
Why do we expect less from players than coaches?

Culture.
You hear about team culture. A culture of success.
For the past so-many years, the Browns have not had a culture of success.
The Browns should do everything they can to have a culture of success.
A guy like JFF kills the culture of a team, a culture of success.

I hated the pick when we made it.
So I guess I agree with you that I should be ticked at Farmer.

Maybe its just me. But it seems like the Browns' brass spends more time defending JFF's actions than they do talking about his progress. You telling me that's not a distraction?

Oh, and lets make sure we include Gordon to this culture.



You are getting waaay to bent out of shape here.

What he does ON THE FIELD fills any void above. If he can PLAY at this level, he'll lead. Not sure what makes you think he won't COMPETE, cause I don't care for the pick, but if you gotta give Johhny F. one thing, through all the nonsense LAST year, he went out every Saturday and BALLLED.

And I'd hate to have Johhny F. ruin the great culture surrounding the Cleveland Browns.

If he plays well, his teammates won't give a shit if he's doin' blow on a trapeeze.

Period.

Again, I would note last year, when the guy was the only guy getting paid AND there were all the antics going on. If he wasn't answering the bell for his teammates, you could bet your ass you'da a heard about guys on the team not liking him, being jealous, and the like.

Nothing...NOTHING matters except whether he can play or not. I don't like the pick cause I don't think he can. But if he can, and his behavior was TWICE as bad, well, then he shoulda been #1 overall.

And Jesus, we act like these professional staffs rarely run into young, entitled, immature assholes that never had to follow rules before. If Johnny F lasts two years and Mike Pettine 10, he'll have 8 more years of headaches in this regard long after Johhny F is gone.


Like I said, JFF = wasted pick

And regarding his impact on "culture," the Browns wait until the last game of the season to address team culture:

Fine JFF
Suspend Gordon
Inactivate Gilbert
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:23 pm

Thank God that season is over
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Unread postby bookelly » Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:46 pm

:pop:

Wonder if that BUF pick winds up at 22.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:29 pm

OldDawg wrote:
leadpipe wrote:
OldDawg wrote:I'm sorry. I know some of you guys disagree with me.

QBs are supposed to be leaders of your team.
Leaders are supposed to be competitors.
Competitors are supposed to hate losing. They despise it.
Competitors are driven to win. It drives everything they do.
Competitors believe they can't do enough to lead their team.
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Competitors are never punching a time clock.
Competitors (at least 1st year ones who don't know the league) don't think weekends are "their time."
Competitors lead by example. Competitors lead by caring more about the team than they do themselves.
Competitors are doing everything they can. Including on weekends.

I think coaches are competitors.
I think coaches care about winning.
I think coaches are driven to see their teams improve.
I have a feeling coaches aren't partying on weekends.

Players like JFF make as much as coaches.
Why do we expect less from players than coaches?

Culture.
You hear about team culture. A culture of success.
For the past so-many years, the Browns have not had a culture of success.
The Browns should do everything they can to have a culture of success.
A guy like JFF kills the culture of a team, a culture of success.

I hated the pick when we made it.
So I guess I agree with you that I should be ticked at Farmer.

Maybe its just me. But it seems like the Browns' brass spends more time defending JFF's actions than they do talking about his progress. You telling me that's not a distraction?

Oh, and lets make sure we include Gordon to this culture.



You are getting waaay to bent out of shape here.

What he does ON THE FIELD fills any void above. If he can PLAY at this level, he'll lead. Not sure what makes you think he won't COMPETE, cause I don't care for the pick, but if you gotta give Johhny F. one thing, through all the nonsense LAST year, he went out every Saturday and BALLLED.

And I'd hate to have Johhny F. ruin the great culture surrounding the Cleveland Browns.

If he plays well, his teammates won't give a shit if he's doin' blow on a trapeeze.

Period.

Again, I would note last year, when the guy was the only guy getting paid AND there were all the antics going on. If he wasn't answering the bell for his teammates, you could bet your ass you'da a heard about guys on the team not liking him, being jealous, and the like.

Nothing...NOTHING matters except whether he can play or not. I don't like the pick cause I don't think he can. But if he can, and his behavior was TWICE as bad, well, then he shoulda been #1 overall.

And Jesus, we act like these professional staffs rarely run into young, entitled, immature assholes that never had to follow rules before. If Johnny F lasts two years and Mike Pettine 10, he'll have 8 more years of headaches in this regard long after Johhny F is gone.


Like I said, JFF = wasted pick

And regarding his impact on "culture," the Browns wait until the last game of the season to address team culture:

Fine JFF
Suspend Gordon
Inactivate Gilbert


Sadly, I think some of the previous inactivity on the discipline front came from a mandate from above.

Hopefully the "Above" has learned a lesson to let the football people make football decisions.

And now we figure out how to move on from this most recent mistake.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:50 am

I was all aboard the JFF train. Now, not so much. I wanted to see the kid play, not because I think he's the savior, just wanted to see what he had.

Now it appears he's "just an asshole". Can't be "just an asshole" if you're not good. Apparently Josh Gordon is also "just an asshole". But he's good. Sometimes.

One thing we know for sure is the Browns are a .500ish team without either of them. And half the starting D. And an All Pro center.

Try and sell high on both. And put Gilbert on notice.

I like the coaching staff so far. Does Farmer get a pass for his draft (JFF and Gilbert blow but Bitonio, West and Crowell are keepers)? Kirksey seems ok. K. Williams too. If Gilbert could get his head out of his ass, it would be a pretty good draft.

They played competitively in spite of the injuries and were nearly .500 in the division for the first time since forever. Get yourself another good OL, a D starter, and someone who can stretch the field on offense and they may be pretty good.

Of course there is that elephant named Hoyer. I guess they have to sign him, which I don't have an issue with, hopefully no one else offers him a sizable payday and the Browns have to match. At least they know what Hoyer brings. If they can run the ball, they won't have to win because of him, he just can't be the reason they lose.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby Spin » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:05 am

Johnny Johnny Johnny. You're not in college anymore. Look up the definition of "PROFESSIONAL". There are expectations that go with being a professional, trust me, I know. I'm hearing stories that Connor Shaw got a lot of reps in practice because Johnny would show up in no shape to play. It's time to grow up or join Ryan Leaf on the all time Loser list. Maybe the veterans on the team should have a little talk with him. Then again that obviously didn't work with Justin Gilbert.

Josh Gordon is a cancer. If you notice, when he came back the Browns were 7-4. That's about the same time Ben Tate was whining and bitching and had to be cut. With Gordon they were 0-4. These two (along with Johnny) turned the team into a dumpster fire.

Shaw and Hoyer are good reliable NFL backups. Nothing more, nothing less. We need a starter.

Coach Pettine and the rest of the team have my respect. They could have mailled it in yesterday, but played hard with a 3rd string QB and a tiring defense against a playoff team. Jimmy Haslem needs to keep the staff and management in place, and go on a vacation far far away during next year's draft.
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:39 pm

49ers want Shanahan.
In fact most teams who will be looking for a HC are looking at Shanahan.

Big loss if he's gone
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:05 pm

Excellent. Package deal for Shanhan, Bilbo Baggins, and JFF. The 3 of them can wreck the NFC West together.


British_Pharaoh wrote:49ers want Shanahan.
In fact most teams who will be looking for a HC are looking at Shanahan.

Big loss if he's gone
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:15 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:49ers want Shanahan.
In fact most teams who will be looking for a HC are looking at Shanahan.

Big loss if he's gone


How so?

Difficult to replace the coordinator of the 25th ranked offense (29th scoring) in the NFL?
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Hikohadon wrote:
British_Pharaoh wrote:49ers want Shanahan.
In fact most teams who will be looking for a HC are looking at Shanahan.

Big loss if he's gone


How so?

Difficult to replace the coordinator of the 25th ranked offense (29th scoring) in the NFL?

You can't assess staff like that. At least not soleley on that stat.
Through the first 9 games of the season we were averaging 24 points per game.
We actually had a running game to speak of, and were money in the 4th quarter crunch time.
But injuries (mack being the key one) pulled the rug out from under us, and the undersized receiving corp finally caught up with us.

I just think it would be good to keep Shanahan, especially if we are keeping Johnny around and still have designs on keeping him in the mix to start in 2015, because I wouldn't rule out attempts to keep Hoyer. Hoyer wants to return.
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:12 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
British_Pharaoh wrote:49ers want Shanahan.
In fact most teams who will be looking for a HC are looking at Shanahan.

Big loss if he's gone


How so?

Difficult to replace the coordinator of the 25th ranked offense (29th scoring) in the NFL?

You can't assess staff like that. At least not soleley on that stat.
Through the first 9 games of the season we were averaging 24 points per game.
We actually had a running game to speak of, and were money in the 4th quarter crunch time.
But injuries (mack being the key one) pulled the rug out from under us, and the undersized receiving corp finally caught up with us.

I just think it would be good to keep Shanahan, especially if we are keeping Johnny around and still have designs on keeping him in the mix to start in 2015, because I wouldn't rule out attempts to keep Hoyer. Hoyer wants to return.


I understand your point, but every team has adversity.

What I saw was that Shanahanahan became more and more predictable as the season went on. I don't think he was bad by any means, but I also don't think he proved himself to be impossible to replace. In no way will I lose sleep about losing K-Shanny, providing of course that some team feels that his track record is worthy of a HC job.
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Re: Reviving The Boards Part One -- Let's Talk Johnny Footba

Unread postby bookelly » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:57 am

Hoyer is gone. The Browns FO and Hoyer said as much today. He wants starter years and money, and somebody will give it to him because he's an excellent game manager, works his ass off, and has leadership intangibles. However all these traits won't hide the fact that he has a below average arm and accuracy.

He can win on a team with an elite defense and a big possession receiving corps as a game manager. The Bills would be a good fit.

The Browns are an ok/good defense and an offense that sets up the deep ball by pounding the rock. Hoyer can't throw past 30 yards. Not a good fit and everyone knows it.
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Unread postby jerryroche » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:53 pm

bookelly wrote:Hoyer is gone.


You've got an 80% chance of being right, boo. If no other team offers Hoyer what he wants and thinks he deserves, I believe he'll be back. Most teams are not in the market for a back-up QB; if they are, they are not willing to pay first-string money. That factor alone tilts his decision slightly in the Browns' favor.

However, the fact that Hoyer probably won't be considered as the Browns' starting QB any more makes it more difficult for his return, if he's got any kind of ego at all.

The larger problem is "Who will be the Browns' starting quarterback in 2015?" A very large problem indeed. There are no quality free agents on the market, unless you consider Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez and Colt McCoy "quality." The college crop is non-existent after Mariota and Winston, and there's plenty of evidence pointing to neither being any better "fit" for the Browns than Hoyer. I think maybe Colorado State's Garrett Grayson or UCLA's Brett Hundley might be worth a second-round flyer in the draft.

As for Johnny Numbnutts, that ship done sailed -- and the sooner the Browns realize it, the better. He not only made no contributions, he negatively affected the team throughout the season. See ya, hot dog.
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