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Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:24 am

i was looking forward to someone quitting the forum over this one. LOL.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:30 am

jb wrote:i was looking forward to someone quitting the forum over this one. LOL.


Too late.

Although I will say Richie Incognito has the reputation of being one of the NFL's biggest douchebag/asshole.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby googleeph2 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:48 am

Not piling on Martin, but kinda wondering how a 20-something lets this go on this long without punching the bully in the mouth (at least figuratively).

Must have emotional concerns. Wonder if Incognito "has something" on him.

I don't even know the situation yet wish I could boo Incognito.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:54 am

Divided on this one. On one hand - nut up and take him out. On the other - that's a professional workplace and no one should have to put up with that junior high shit in said setting.

I agree that Incognito should have his balls swell and burst.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:16 pm

googleeph2 wrote:Not piling on Martin, but kinda wondering how a 20-something lets this go on this long without punching the bully in the mouth (at least figuratively).



Aaron Hernandez anyone?
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby fairvis » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:41 pm

Looks like an ugly situation all around. Here's a few more details:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99261 ... han-martin

A voicemail transcript from that article follows (copied directly from it).

"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f------ mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f------ mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

Sounds like Incognito was batshit crazy, and Martin couldn't deal with it anymore. I'm sure he tried to work through the proper channels, but in the testosterone-fueled "nut up and take it like a man" culture that inevitably exists within a NFL locker room, he didn't know what to do, until he just finally lost it completely.

There's rookie hazing, and there's criminal harassment and extortion. This story seems to be leaning towards the latter.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:49 pm

fairvis wrote:Looks like an ugly situation all around. Here's a few more details:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99261 ... han-martin

A voicemail transcript from that article follows (copied directly from it).

"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f------ mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f------ mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

Sounds like Incognito was batshit crazy, and Martin couldn't deal with it anymore. I'm sure he tried to work through the proper channels, but in the testosterone-fueled "nut up and take it like a man" culture that inevitably exists within a NFL locker room, he didn't know what to do, until he just finally lost it completely.

There's rookie hazing, and there's criminal harassment and extortion. This story seems to be leaning towards the latter.


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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:32 pm

Incognito is among the worst human beings the NFL has to offer. Not only a racist liar, but someone who has no problem with potentially other guys' careers on the field.

A real class act across the board, threatening a guy's mother and then him with death. Both of which are illegal. Plus he's incredibly stupid to leave those messages and then deny everything, like they wouldn't come back to bite him in the ass.

He needs to go for good.

And Martin fighting Incognito is exactly what Incognito wants.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:37 pm

Incognito's trail of dooshbaggery goes waaaaay back.

I mean, whaddaya gotta do to get booted off Nebraska for crissakes?
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:55 pm

Reading Adam Schefter's tweets on the situation brings to mind the scene in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back about [expletive deleted].
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:07 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Incognito is among the worst human beings the NFL has to offer. Not only a racist liar, but someone who has no problem with potentially other guys' careers on the field.

A real class act across the board, threatening a guy's mother and then him with death. Both of which are illegal. Plus he's incredibly stupid to leave those messages and then deny everything, like they wouldn't come back to bite him in the ass.

He needs to go for good.

And Martin fighting Incognito is exactly what Incognito wants.


Yeah, the more that I read up on this, the more I agree.

And it's not like Incognito didn't have his cronies.

ETA - Further evidence why Hidden Penis shouldn't procreate:

http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incognitos-dad-blasting-jonathan-martin-on-m-1457997230?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:12 pm

His Twitter feed is going to be something to follow


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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:06 pm

This morning Stephen A Smith rumored his sources say this is gonna make the Riley Cooper situation look like nothing, and that possibly big shots in Dolphins org MIGHT have known something.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby justmebd » Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:23 pm

This whole situation is just crazy. They're already reporting the Dolphins are going to cut Incognito as soon as the due process is resolved with the NFL and NFLPA.

At age 30, that pretty much means the end of his career, not that I feel bad for a POS like that.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby FUDU » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:56 am

It's sounding more and more like Igcognito is one of those very smart dumb people. Smart in a dangerous way I guess you could say. Smart enough to build some credibility with his peers and even the media, than take his personal vendetta and keep it very personal, so much so that maybe nobody else knew that angle of it? Hard to believe but who knows?
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby General » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:32 pm

...and all the while staying incognito while doing it.

I'll be here all week :nanner:
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:49 pm

FUDU wrote:It's sounding more and more like Igcognito is one of those very smart dumb people. Smart in a dangerous way I guess you could say. Smart enough to build some credibility with his peers and even the media, than take his personal vendetta and keep it very personal, so much so that maybe nobody else knew that angle of it? Hard to believe but who knows?


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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:19 pm

Anyone hazing someone else no matter if it's the NFL or the military should immediately be terminated from their job. Carry your own fucking bags, buy your own fucking dinner, and if you insist on making another man wear a dress, you should be kicked in the teeth.

The idea that you have to humiliate someone else so they'll "fit in or test their toughness" is absurd and pathetic.

And I do not give a fucking flying shit if you and the guys before you had to do it. That's on you for being a pussy willing to bow down.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby justmebd » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:10 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Anyone hazing someone else no matter if it's the NFL or the military should immediately be terminated from their job. Carry your own fucking bags, buy your own fucking dinner, and if you insist on making another man wear a dress, you should be kicked in the teeth.

The idea that you have to humiliate someone else so they'll "fit in or test their toughness" is absurd and pathetic.

And I do not give a fucking flying shit if you and the guys before you had to do it. That's on you for being a pussy willing to bow down.

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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:20 pm

justmebd wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Anyone hazing someone else no matter if it's the NFL or the military should immediately be terminated from their job. Carry your own fucking bags, buy your own fucking dinner, and if you insist on making another man wear a dress, you should be kicked in the teeth.

The idea that you have to humiliate someone else so they'll "fit in or test their toughness" is absurd and pathetic.

And I do not give a fucking flying shit if you and the guys before you had to do it. That's on you for being a pussy willing to bow down.

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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:42 pm

This is more complex and wider sprad than Incognito being a rogue.

He was told to get martin into OTA's and "toughen him up".

he did so in a way fully consistent with whom everyone knew he was. In his own twisted way, Incognito is a rational actor here.

It's the culture that's a mess.

Think about it.

If you are Incognito and you want to get Martin into OTA's and piss him off to want to come in and fight, even if you put yourself in the line of fire, which he's clearly not afraid of, what would you think would work?

Insult his manhood.

Insult his heritage.

Insult his Momma.

Not defending Incognito so much as saying this is bigger than Incognito. I get it.

In his own limited way, he was just doing what he's been groomed to do since he was an adolescent. He's not a scapegoat. He's an anthropomorphic actualization of a sub-culture. And this ties into the HS FB small town rapes happening and the reactions. It ties into the Unhappy valley tragedy and cover up. It ties into us placing this pass time and some of the sociopathic morons that happen to excel at this one aspect of life on a pedestal from before they hit puberty until they die.

We are all Ricthie Incognito

(OK, I dodn't mean that last part).
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby pup » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:10 pm

So find him for conduct unbecoming an officer, give him his dishonorable from the NFL and go after the coaches?
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:18 pm

pup wrote:So find him for conduct unbecoming an officer, give him his dishonorable from the NFL and go after the coaches?



Lot's of similarities in my mind to "A Few Good Men".
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:45 pm

Philbin ordered the Code Red?
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby justmebd » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:48 pm

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Unread postby pup » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:17 pm

justmebd wrote:If Kevin Bacon enters the story, I'm locking myself in the closet.


Is Caffey's bat in there?
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Unread postby FUDU » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:42 am

Martin should rip the eyes out of Incognito's head and piss into his dead skull.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby justmebd » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:22 am

One thing everyone here seems to have overlooked: Between this situation and the growing Schiano debacle in Tampa Bay, there are TWO teams in the NFL so dysfunctional it almost defies reason -- and not ONE of them are the Cleveland Browns.

On that note, I know I'm not the only one who has looked at what Schiano has done and the decisions he's made and said to themselves, "That sounds like something Eric Mangini would've done."

Back on topic, it seems like every 6-8 hours there is another "Holy Shit!" revelation with the Dolphins story. Can't WAIT to see what bullshit hits the fan today!!
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:57 am

I laugh at the hypocrisy of NFL players. Riley Cooper says the N word and the players blast him. Incognito says the same thing combined with a threat to Martin's mother and a death threat to Martin, and you have players like Mike Wallace, Brian Hartline and Pierre Garcon DEFENDING him. I assume if Cooper used his racial slur on a younger WR to "toughen him up", that would be just fine and all the players would have his back.

Incognito already ended one player's season with a cheap shot to the knee earlier in the year.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:17 am

My guess (and I might be off on this) is that Martin is kind of a strange or different guy who doesn't necessarily fit in with everyone perfectly. He's not one of the cool kids. Therefore when the cool kids pick on him and make fun of him it isn't mean, it's funny. And it is clearly the weirdos fault for not fitting in and taking a joke.

I mean c'mon guy, just stand up for yourself. Why you gotta get the guy we like better in trouble.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:34 am

motherscratcher wrote:My guess (and I might be off on this) is that Martin is kind of a strange or different guy who doesn't necessarily fit in with everyone perfectly. He's not one of the cool kids. Therefore when the cool kids pick on him and make fun of him it isn't mean, it's funny. And it is clearly the weirdos fault for not fitting in and taking a joke.

I mean c'mon guy, just stand up for yourself. Why you gotta get the guy we like better in trouble.


That's probably right. It's just the amazing hypocrisy that gets me. They get outraged at one racial slur, and brush off the other as "joking around" and declare what a great guy Incognito is. He isn't, great guys don't call their teammates "half n*****s".
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:38 am

justmebd wrote:One thing everyone here seems to have overlooked: Between this situation and the growing Schiano debacle in Tampa Bay, there are TWO teams in the NFL so dysfunctional it almost defies reason -- and not ONE of them are the Cleveland Browns.

On that note, I know I'm not the only one who has looked at what Schiano has done and the decisions he's made and said to themselves, "That sounds like something Eric Mangini would've done."

Back on topic, it seems like every 6-8 hours there is another "Holy Shit!" revelation with the Dolphins story. Can't WAIT to see what bullshit hits the fan today!!


Literally nothing would surprise me at this point.

All I know is this is classic media driven rush to judgement scapegoating. There's more to this than Incognito is psycho.

Not sayin he isn't or defending him. Jus sayin there's more to this.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:40 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:My guess (and I might be off on this) is that Martin is kind of a strange or different guy who doesn't necessarily fit in with everyone perfectly. He's not one of the cool kids. Therefore when the cool kids pick on him and make fun of him it isn't mean, it's funny. And it is clearly the weirdos fault for not fitting in and taking a joke.

I mean c'mon guy, just stand up for yourself. Why you gotta get the guy we like better in trouble.


That's probably right. It's just the amazing hypocrisy that gets me. They get outraged at one racial slur, and brush off the other as "joking around" and declare what a great guy Incognito is. He isn't, great guys don't call their teammates "half n*****s".



Because those in the mix that actually know the men involved are able to go beyond the Sharpton level on this.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:46 am

Yep, agree JB, Incognito is culpable but it doesn't appear he woke up one day on his own and decided to derail Martin's life. Hell reports have these two as being very close very recently, and with Martin being a grown man (and a well educated one at that) he needs to be able to communicate with RI or someone about this better than he did. Martin has some culpability as well. He was friends with RI, and reports suggest HE made public the harsh texts/VMs with other teammates which not one of has stood up for Martin nor one has stated the culture was out of hand. True or not, who knows, but it goes a long way in creating some doubt about Martin's end game in this.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:52 am

Strangely enough the racial angle to this is NOT the lead story nor the focal point, it goes beyond that.

ETA: I'll admit my initial reaction to this was a bit unfair considering how much information was not made public. I had pretty much judged and convicted RI in my mind, not completely fair.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:54 am

FUDU wrote:Yep, agree JB, Incognito is culpable but it doesn't appear he woke up one day on his own and decided to derail Martin's life. Hell reports have these two as being very close very recently, and with Martin being a grown man (and a well educated one at that) he needs to be able to communicate with RI or someone about this better than he did. Martin has some culpability as well. He was friends with RI, and reports suggest HE made public the harsh texts/VMs with other teammates which not one of has stood up for Martin nor one has stated the culture was out of hand. True or not, who knows, but it goes a long way in creating some doubt about Martin's end game in this.



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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:58 am

jb wrote:
FUDU wrote:Yep, agree JB, Incognito is culpable but it doesn't appear he woke up one day on his own and decided to derail Martin's life. Hell reports have these two as being very close very recently, and with Martin being a grown man (and a well educated one at that) he needs to be able to communicate with RI or someone about this better than he did. Martin has some culpability as well. He was friends with RI, and reports suggest HE made public the harsh texts/VMs with other teammates which not one of has stood up for Martin nor one has stated the culture was out of hand. True or not, who knows, but it goes a long way in creating some doubt about Martin's end game in this.



Before anyone makes 1 more post on this he should google & red Kings SI MMQB interview with former Dolphins OLman Murtha.


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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:59 am

FUDU wrote:Strangely enough the racial angle to this is NOT the lead story nor the focal point, it goes beyond that.

ETA: I'll admit my initial reaction to this was a bit unfair considering how much information was not made public. I had pretty much judged and convicted RI in my mind, not completely fair.



It is if it goes to a formal workplace EEOC complaint.
But doesn't appear to be so on the team.

The end result of this is a culture war. The NFL suits will step in with policy and legislate this stuff out of risk management like controlled substances. The old wink wink were gladiators FB culture will be systematically weeded out.

A little know fact is HS FB rosters & participation is on the decline nationally. I see it as all part & parcel.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby jb » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:01 am

motherscratcher wrote:
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FUDU wrote:Yep, agree JB, Incognito is culpable but it doesn't appear he woke up one day on his own and decided to derail Martin's life. Hell reports have these two as being very close very recently, and with Martin being a grown man (and a well educated one at that) he needs to be able to communicate with RI or someone about this better than he did. Martin has some culpability as well. He was friends with RI, and reports suggest HE made public the harsh texts/VMs with other teammates which not one of has stood up for Martin nor one has stated the culture was out of hand. True or not, who knows, but it goes a long way in creating some doubt about Martin's end game in this.



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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:02 am

Good point on HS ball JB. Those shifts in participation at younger levels (for any sport) are always interesting.

BTW, mo never bought us our dinner when he came rolling in here as a newbie did he? I've got his number, I'll take care of the texts...
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:03 am

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motherscratcher wrote:My guess (and I might be off on this) is that Martin is kind of a strange or different guy who doesn't necessarily fit in with everyone perfectly. He's not one of the cool kids. Therefore when the cool kids pick on him and make fun of him it isn't mean, it's funny. And it is clearly the weirdos fault for not fitting in and taking a joke.

I mean c'mon guy, just stand up for yourself. Why you gotta get the guy we like better in trouble.


That's probably right. It's just the amazing hypocrisy that gets me. They get outraged at one racial slur, and brush off the other as "joking around" and declare what a great guy Incognito is. He isn't, great guys don't call their teammates "half n*****s".



Because those in the mix that actually know the men involved are able to go beyond the Sharpton level on this.


I heard everything up to and including the lover's quarrel angle. This whole thing is just strange enough to not rule that out.

It's impossible to know exactly what went on unless you lived it in that locker room daily and know the two men involved. The rest is just taking stabs in the dark. My natural inclination is to stand up for the guy who has been made out to be the victim of hazing by a racist asshole, but who the fuck knows the real dynamics here.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:13 am

The other angle here related to this being initiated by the org/HC is that the Dolphins obviously are not a good judge of intangibles/toughness needed to play this game, and with Martin at least, now they have to figure out a way to cover up many things including their own initial ineptness.

BTW, RE: the race angle to this, I lean with JB simply b/c that locker room is full of a lot of black athletes, and we're not hearing much about RI being a racist asshole from them, now or about priors, so I have to lend some credence to those teammates. I think it is safe to say if RI WAS and those black athletes felt this issue WAS they WOULD BE talking about that right now. Essentially not a peep.

ETA: Chris Carter speaks on this as well.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:55 am

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motherscratcher wrote:My guess (and I might be off on this) is that Martin is kind of a strange or different guy who doesn't necessarily fit in with everyone perfectly. He's not one of the cool kids. Therefore when the cool kids pick on him and make fun of him it isn't mean, it's funny. And it is clearly the weirdos fault for not fitting in and taking a joke.

I mean c'mon guy, just stand up for yourself. Why you gotta get the guy we like better in trouble.


That's probably right. It's just the amazing hypocrisy that gets me. They get outraged at one racial slur, and brush off the other as "joking around" and declare what a great guy Incognito is. He isn't, great guys don't call their teammates "half n*****s".



Because those in the mix that actually know the men involved are able to go beyond the Sharpton level on this.



Where were all the defenders of Cooper when his tape surfaced? Surely he had many teammates that liked him and were friends with him. The only teammate that came out to defend Cooper after the incident was Mike Vick. You had players from other teams making statements about targeting him for his slur.

Cooper= "ZOMG HE HAS TO GO FOR AWHILE AND DON'T BE SURPRISED IF THERE IS RETALIATION ON THE FIELD!!!"

Incognito= "He's a great guy, Martin must be a weakling and Richie was only "joking" when he called him a slur, said he was going to "shit in his mouth", "slap his mother", and "kill him".
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:11 pm

Fair question, and I think you can argue that either A) Riley might have bigger issues with race than Incognito or B) the Phins locker room is rallying together to save their own faces in realization NOW that they allowed this to take place to this extent. With Cooper there really was only one person to place the focus and blame on, in this RI/Martin case it isn't that clear seeing there are two players involved.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:21 pm

I don't know, man.

For option A) There was never a peep from the Eagles locker room before or after Cooper's incident that would indicate he had a history of that type of behavior.

Incognito has a long history of dickish behavior and dirty play. He has been voted by his peers as the "dirtiest player in the game" in the past. Suh has pretty much claimed that mantle for himself.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:32 pm

All true, yet RI was also voted as a leader by his teammates, and they've claimed to have seen personal growth with him. Yet another angles is does he have his entire locker room under his thumb, are they all intimidated by him to some degree that they are protecting themselves to some degree? Is he even that much of a badass that NOBODY will stand up to him?

I highly doubt the most latter, the rest, who knows.

I do agree with the people that remind us that in ANY professional setting his texts are unaccpetable, you and I would lose our jobs, why should the NFL be different.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

Unread postby danwismar » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:51 pm

jb wrote:A little know fact is HS FB rosters & participation is on the decline nationally. I see it as all part & parcel.


All that is required for high school football to disappear entirely is for insurance companies to refuse to cover the schools for liability...a scenario that an attorney friend of mine has been predicting WILL happen...just a matter of time...a few more debilitating spinal/paralysis injuries to H.S. players...a few more lawsuits from parents...a little more national public outcry...and it'll be all over.
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I have attributed the decline in HS FB participation to soccer having a concurrent season, and coaches of other sports encouraging their kids to specialize in their sports. It may be more than anecdotal that some parents steer their kids away from football due to potential injury, I guess.
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Re: Not a peep on Martin here?

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googleeph2 wrote:I have attributed the decline in HS FB participation to soccer having a concurrent season, and coaches of other sports encouraging their kids to specialize in their sports. It may be more than anecdotal that some parents steer their kids away from football due to potential injury, I guess.


If you think parents are steering their kids to soccer in order to AVOID concussions then you're probably not too familiar with soccer at the youth level or above. That's not the sport to go to if you want to avoid concussions.

You want a fall sport without concussions then play golf or cross country. Stay off the soccer field and football field.



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