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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:18 pm

Anyone have any thoughts about Bernie Kosar's color commentary during the Rams game? I didn't get a chance to see the game.

Was he accurate? it does seem that they have a pretty crappy group of recievers. Also, in spite of his typical slurred speach when it comes to breaking down plays, analyzing performance and talking about schemes Bernie has traditionaly been right-on accurate.

Was it as offensive as Jeff Fisher and Banner seem to make it out to be? Or do they both need to be bitch-slapped by Buddy Ryan again?

Also, maybe it's apple-pie and motherhood but what gives with the President of the Cleveland Brown's apologizing for and reprimanding the guy who's doing the broadcast - - shouldn't there be at least a little bit of an appearance of independence between the media covering the game and the team?
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Re: what is this shit??

Unread postby davemanddd » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:27 pm

YahooFanChicago wrote:Anyone have any thoughts about Bernie Kosar's color commentary during the Rams game? I didn't get a chance to see the game.

Was he accurate? it does seem that they have a pretty crappy group of recievers. Also, in spite of his typical slurred speach when it comes to breaking down plays, analyzing performance and talking about schemes Bernie has traditionaly been right-on accurate.

Was it as offensive as Jeff Fisher and Banner seem to make it out to be? Or do they both need to be bitch-slapped by Buddy Ryan again?

Also, maybe it's apple-pie and motherhood but what gives with the President of the Cleveland Brown's apologizing for and reprimanding the guy who's doing the broadcast - - shouldn't there be at least a little bit of an appearance of independence between the media covering the game and the team?


he made a joke about the pope. thee ohio state university put their president e. gordon gee out to pasture for making a joke about catholics, so bernie's lucky he even still has a job. gawd forbid you make a joke about the pope, or you go to the head of the line at the judgement table with a one-way ticket to hell.
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Re: what is this shit??

Unread postby idoctribefan » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:32 pm

Why are the Rams watching the Browns' feed with the Browns' announcers? I know that they have their own local coverage of the game because a friend of mine who lives in STL was watching it also.

I thought Bernie took a bit of a cheap shot at Kellen Clemens but big f'n deal. Charles Barkley says the same kind of things night-in and night-out on TNT and people love it. But when Bernie does it it's unacceptable.

One thing that was funny is that immediately after Bernie took a cheap shot at Clemens, he threw a bad pick.
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Re: what is this shit??

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:41 pm

Bernie needs to focus on managing his daughter's porn career and keep his drunk/angry/washed up ass away from the public.

What a gawd damn train wreck of a human being that half of Ohio had to constantly hear how "great" of a role model he was.

At least he can put his law degree to use and wipe his ass with it.
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Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:54 pm

My thoughts about Bernie's slurred speech is its the meds he's on...

Have at him if you will but, personally I can relate. I'm on more than one in which that's a side effect...

As for the bashing?...typical Bernie...go deep the first play even if its intercepted


....but, fuck off Fischer and shove your angst up your ass...fucking baby

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Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:42 pm

I think Bernie is fantastic.

God Bless the guy for doing that job without giving a shit about what "Superiors" or anyone else thinks.

If Kellen Clemens doesn't want anyone to tell him he sucks, don't suck.

And I would add one more thing - it ain't like the guy is some hump ragging on guys for shock value cause he's got nothing else - he's as good as anyone in breaking down plays.

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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:59 pm

Meh, it's a cowboy whose life is shit rolling up to show off how awesome he is by breaking down pre-season football.

You could find about 100 other former QBs that could be the same, they just haven't run their lives so far into the ground they have better shit to do then showing how big their penis is on air.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:03 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Meh, it's a cowboy whose life is shit rolling up to show off how awesome he is by breaking down pre-season football.

You could find about 100 other former QBs that could be the same, they just haven't run their lives so far into the ground they have better shit to do then showing how big their penis is on air.


See, that's where I disagree. I think he's the way it is cause he could take it or leave it.

And I'm sure you're right about the 100 QB's that could do the same, but I'm sure I'm right that I've heard 100 QB's that blow.
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Unread postby Spin » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:08 pm

What he said wasn't off the mark at all. They were awful. If Joe Tait had said that about the players, he would have been patted on the back.

OTOH there's no easier way to wreck your career than to say anything negative about tOSU and Catholics. May God have mercy on his broadcasting career's soul...
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:21 am

Back in the day (early 90's) I ran into Bernie a few times out at Around the Corner and those other bars on the River/Lakewood border. Guy was a legit/good guy who never seemed to let fame get to him. Exact opposite of the entitled pricks that seem to be the norm today. Even at the peak of his career he seemed to honestly enjoy talking to average fans. I think that's why so many (including myself) tend to defend him and will always give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Unread postby kman_holla8 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:06 am

It might be broadcasting pre-season football, while it might be easy to do... Its' paying his broke ass and it's more exciting than what I do. I'm sure he'd rather be behind the mic in cleveland where some people remember the decent player he was rather than in Dallas, where he was another Don Strock (veteran QB who never won the big game who backed up #8), or anywhere else in the NFL.

I agree with leadpipe: God Bless the guy for doing that job without giving a shit about what "Superiors" or anyone else thinks.
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Unread postby danwismar » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:04 am

If you haven't read him before...be advised that it's not THE Jim Kanicki:

Pretty much all the details...

http://jimkanicki.wordpress.com/2013/08 ... nailed-it/
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:46 am

^^^^^ Great article, like it a lot.
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Unread postby JacksonDysonJackson » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:29 am

What was the negative Catholic comment? I didnt hear anything.
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Unread postby pup » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:46 am

End of the day, Fisher is pissed because Bernie is right and he knows it. He is pissed because the people that know the game know Bernie is right and his players know he is right.

Should he be slaying the other team? Probably not.
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Re: what is this shit??

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:12 am

It's four pre-season games per year. Kosar ain't getting back in the game on that jack. But maybe his issues do explain why many leaders of the organization have steered clear of making him a bigger part in Berea.

And Bernie was a big-time catholic. Not sure if that's case. Not that it matters. The whole point was Jim Donovan telling a story about Kellen Clemens actually giving an autograph to the Pope.

Bernie pretty much said after that, damn, it's really hard to criticize Kellen Clemens after that story and he sounds like a good man, but as a quarterback he just stinks.

He also criticized receivers all night for dropping balls.

Nothing different than he does any other game.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:47 am

I didn't watch it, but I would love to hear some honest assessments of players every now and then as opposed to Jon Gruden fellating every player he's watching.

These are grown men. If they can't handle criticism and honesty, maybe they shouldn't choose a profession where they're watched and criticized by millions of people on a regular basis.
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Unread postby justmebd » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:32 am

I want Bernie to color commentate EVERY Browns game. He honestly is great to listen to. I love the breakdown of what actually is happening, and I love the burns for bad play.
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:06 pm

JacksonDysonJackson wrote:What was the negative Catholic comment? I didnt hear anything.


He didn't say anything negative about the Pope or Catholicism.

Donovan mentioned Kellen Clemens met the Pope and Bernie said Clemens was a nice guy but shouldn't be playing QB in the NFL.

If you listen to what he actually said, none of it was a big deal or anything he hasn't said before. But because Jeff Fisher got wind of it and made a big deal about it on the day Peter King was at Rams camp... well, suddenly it's national news. A Blown-way-out-of-proportion-put-words-in-his-mouth (obviously by the number of Browns fans who don't know what was actually said) story.

Bernie also tackled a kid in a Rams jersey right afterwards.
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Unread postby JacksonDysonJackson » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:19 pm

Agreed. Not a big deal at all.

I was just confused by davemandd and Spin's comments.
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Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:30 pm

JacksonDysonJackson wrote:Agreed. Not a big deal at all.

I was just confused by davemandd and Spin's comments.



In this thread or overall body of work?
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Unread postby Spin » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:25 pm

That was a little twister thrown in there... (cache)
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:35 pm

It must be a slow sports news day when this is a big deal. Bernie is a mess, we all know that, but he didn't say anything derogatory about Catholics.
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Unread postby pup » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:57 pm

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Unread postby FUDU » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:06 pm

Any time you guys want to hear the story about the Bernie Bernie tape let me know seeing as I own more than half the remaining unsold ones.
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Unread postby pod2dawg » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:27 pm

Bernie can still read a defense better than anybody we have...including the coaching staff.
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Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:56 am




B/C King didn't have all access to the Browns war room and hang out with the FO like he has with the Rams. Gotta make sure you got the backs of those who take care of you

I'm sure it could be spun as Gannon giving out "constructive critisism"
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Unread postby pup » Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:18 am

Larvell Blanks wrote:



B/C King didn't have all access to the Browns war room and hang out with the FO like he has with the Rams. Gotta make sure you got the backs of those who take care of you

I'm sure it could be spun as Gannon giving out "constructive critisism"
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Not to beat an old horse about this sort of thing...but I believe I heard Pete King and Jeff Fisher share a..get...ready.....an agent!
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:40 am

Is it Bob LaMonte?
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:52 pm

After all this time there's still a lot of the QB left in Bernie. He still scans the defense when the offense comes up to the line. He saw the Browns in a particular look and immediately knew how to attack it - throw long. So he got frustrated when Clemens ran a simple running play into the teeth of the defense for no yardage, or tried a short pass into heavy coverage.

After seeing this happen multiple times Bernie said, "He can't play quarterback". This is a five-year veteran he was talking about.

What he didn't consider was that this is a pre-season game and the Rams were more interested in player evaluation than winning. Clemens was probably instructed to run the plays that were sent in and not to audible. If Clemens was so stupid as to not be able to recognize what Bernie described as an "obvious" coverage the Browns were in, then he wouldn't still be here.

So I think Bernie was unfair in that he didn't know what instructions Clemens had, even though he was technically right about the Rams running plays with no chance of success.

As for the receivers, yeah, they sucked and everybody could see that.
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Re: what is this shit??

Unread postby mattvan1 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:28 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Is it Bob LaMonte?


Marvin Demoff.

Whose son just happens to be the Rams Chief Operating Officer and the guy that hired Fisher.
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