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Would you trade up to ensure drafting TR?

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Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:29 pm

I don't WANT to do that, ideally. But I really don't want to be stuck at 4 picking between Claiborne, Kalil and Blackmon. So, I'm warming to the idea. You?
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby OldDawg » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:32 pm

I want TR. But I have a hard time trading up to get him. You can't give up too much to move up one spot.
The last guy we traded up for like that was Braylon Edwards. Ugh.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:38 pm

OldDawg wrote:I want TR. But I have a hard time trading up to get him. You can't give up too much to move up one spot.
The last guy we traded up for like that was Braylon Edwards. Ugh.


Conceptually, I agree. But I'm left with this nagging question: "Then what?"
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby rk » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:41 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:Conceptually, I agree. But I'm left with this nagging question: "Then what?"


Then the Browns pick the guy they have on the top of their board.

This is not really that complicated.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:45 pm

rk wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:Conceptually, I agree. But I'm left with this nagging question: "Then what?"


Then the Browns pick the guy they have on the top of their board.

This is not really that complicated.


A DB who does NOTHING to help the most unwatchable offense in NFL history? Really? Why?
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby rk » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:50 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:A DB who does NOTHING to help the most unwatchable offense in NFL history? Really? Why?


I was not aware that the draft has already occurred. Or that other than Richardson there was only one player the Browns are capable of picking.

Shoot. Guess it's too late for me to cancel my tickets. Shame the draft for the Browns ends at pick 4 too. Maybe the Browns could have done something more if they only had a 12 or more so picks or 4 of the top 100.

Now I'm going to go shoot myself. I'm just so depressed that the Browns were unable to get the last piece of the Superbowl puzzle.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby pup » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:54 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:
rk wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:Conceptually, I agree. But I'm left with this nagging question: "Then what?"


Then the Browns pick the guy they have on the top of their board.

This is not really that complicated.


A DB who does NOTHING to help the most unwatchable offense in NFL history? Really? Why?


If that is true, what are the odds that DB is at the top of their board?

Christ. Panic about a pick even before it happens?

Plenty of time to kill them starting Friday AM...
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby mattvan1 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:05 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:But I really don't want to be stuck at 4 picking between Claiborne, Kalil and Blackmon.



I really don't understand why not. I mean most of us would rather be waiting in line at Dick's to buy our RGIII jersey's, but since that ain't happening why not just let the draft come to you. Why in the world do you want to trade up to fill a need at a position that has little or no value at the top of the first round?

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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:07 pm

pup wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:
rk wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:Conceptually, I agree. But I'm left with this nagging question: "Then what?"


Then the Browns pick the guy they have on the top of their board.

This is not really that complicated.


A DB who does NOTHING to help the most unwatchable offense in NFL history? Really? Why?


If that is true, what are the odds that DB is at the top of their board?

Christ. Panic about a pick even before it happens?

Plenty of time to kill them starting Friday AM...


B/c Tom loves him some DB's. Also, I don't think they think as the rest of us do. Finally ask yourself this, if TR is off the board, who would the Browns realistically have above Claiborne?
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:11 pm

mattvan1 wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:But I really don't want to be stuck at 4 picking between Claiborne, Kalil and Blackmon.



I really don't understand why not. I mean most of us would rather be waiting in line at Dick's to buy our RGIII jersey's, but since that ain't happening why not just let the draft come to you. Why in the world do you want to trade up to fill a need at a position that has little or no value at the top of the first round?

Baby Jesus in a manger Thursday night at approximately 7:42 in the pm EDT cannot get here soon enough.


B/c "fortune favors the bold," IMHO. We've let "the draft come to us" for yrs. We've been cautious forever now. Sick of it.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby pup » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:16 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:
pup wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:
rk wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:Conceptually, I agree. But I'm left with this nagging question: "Then what?"


Then the Browns pick the guy they have on the top of their board.

This is not really that complicated.


A DB who does NOTHING to help the most unwatchable offense in NFL history? Really? Why?


If that is true, what are the odds that DB is at the top of their board?

Christ. Panic about a pick even before it happens?

Plenty of time to kill them starting Friday AM...


B/c Tom loves him some DB's. Also, I don't think they think as the rest of us do. Finally ask yourself this, if TR is off the board, who would the Browns realistically have above Claiborne?


Kalil
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And if I told you they could have as many as 7 or 8 guys above him, would that change your mind?
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby rk » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:19 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:B/c Tom loves him some DB's. Also, I don't think they think as the rest of us do. Finally ask yourself this, if TR is off the board, who would the Browns realistically have above Claiborne?


I am not sure what color Kool Aid you have in front of you but I would recommend you stop drinking it. Since today must be the first day you've read about possible choices for the Browns here is a quick look at the likely candidates that have been discussed ad nauseum for the past 90 days or so who are almost certainly under consideration for the 4th pick.

Luck
RGIII
Richardson
Claiborne
Blackmon
Kalil
Tannehill
Floyd

If three of those guys are gone then the Browns will likely pick someone else from that list.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:27 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:
rk wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:Conceptually, I agree. But I'm left with this nagging question: "Then what?"


Then the Browns pick the guy they have on the top of their board.

This is not really that complicated.


A DB who does NOTHING to help the most unwatchable offense in NFL history? Really? Why?


Moving up for a position that means less than DB ain't helpin' matters either.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby mattvan1 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:29 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:But I really don't want to be stuck at 4 picking between Claiborne, Kalil and Blackmon.



I really don't understand why not. I mean most of us would rather be waiting in line at Dick's to buy our RGIII jersey's, but since that ain't happening why not just let the draft come to you. Why in the world do you want to trade up to fill a need at a position that has little or no value at the top of the first round?

Baby Jesus in a manger Thursday night at approximately 7:42 in the pm EDT cannot get here soon enough.


B/c "fortune favors the bold," IMHO. We've let "the draft come to us" for yrs. We've been cautious forever now. Sick of it.


We're all sick of the suckage. But at some point, other than QB, the Browns need to stop drafting (reaching) for needs and just take go BPA. I have no idea what their board looks like, but if Kalil is the pick then he's the pick. If it's Blackmon then it's Blackmon. I would hate to see Heckert get too cute and out smart himself.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:37 pm

rk wrote:Now I'm going to go shoot myself. I'm just so depressed that the Browns were unable to get the last piece of the Superbowl puzzle.


Thank you thank you thank you CleSportsTruff.

So many of us have been working tirelessly toward this goal for over a decade, and you pull it off just like that.

I'm in awe.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:08 pm

OldDawg wrote:I want TR. But I have a hard time trading up to get him. You can't give up too much to move up one spot.
The last guy we traded up for like that was Braylon Edwards. Ugh.



Kellen Winslow maybe?
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:10 pm

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:
OldDawg wrote:I want TR. But I have a hard time trading up to get him. You can't give up too much to move up one spot.
The last guy we traded up for like that was Braylon Edwards. Ugh.



Kellen Winslow maybe?


What'd they give up last season to move up for Taylor?
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:15 pm

BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:21 pm

peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.


Same Mom for both, so we'll need to shelve the Antonio Cromartie jokes for awhile.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:27 pm

mattvan1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.


Same Mom for both, so we'll need to shelve the Antonio Cromartie jokes for awhile.


If his career lasts as long as LaDainian Tomlinson's or Tony Richardson's there's a shot for a father and son matchup in the future.

So there's that.

And I keep feeling sick about #4 on TR when the best we can hope for is that he puts up a Hillis-like season each year for the next 6-8 years (2010 Hillis). Honestly, the value in Hillis was running, receiving and pass-pro.

Had Hillis and the Browns not gone Kramer vs Kramer in 2011 they'd be getting substantially better instead of restoring their running game to 2010 levels when they went 5-11 with that kind of back.

Awesome.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:18 pm

pup wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:
pup wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:
rk wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:Conceptually, I agree. But I'm left with this nagging question: "Then what?"


Then the Browns pick the guy they have on the top of their board.

This is not really that complicated.


A DB who does NOTHING to help the most unwatchable offense in NFL history? Really? Why?


If that is true, what are the odds that DB is at the top of their board?

Christ. Panic about a pick even before it happens?

Plenty of time to kill them starting Friday AM...


B/c Tom loves him some DB's. Also, I don't think they think as the rest of us do. Finally ask yourself this, if TR is off the board, who would the Browns realistically have above Claiborne?


Kalil
Blackmon

And if I told you they could have as many as 7 or 8 guys above him, would that change your mind?


I MIGHT buy Kalil. NFW on Blackmon, not a chance. As for your final statement, damn, those must be AWESOME mushrooms you have there.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:21 pm

jb wrote:
rk wrote:Now I'm going to go shoot myself. I'm just so depressed that the Browns were unable to get the last piece of the Superbowl puzzle.


Thank you thank you thank you CleSportsTruff.

So many of us have been working tirelessly toward this goal for over a decade, and you pull it off just like that.

I'm in awe.


Well, you know, "fresh eyes" and all that...
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:25 pm

peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.



We are in desperate need of players that can score!
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Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:26 pm

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:
OldDawg wrote:I want TR. But I have a hard time trading up to get him. You can't give up too much to move up one spot.
The last guy we traded up for like that was Braylon Edwards. Ugh.



Kellen Winslow maybe?



BE was taken at slot. I know cause I wasn't toasted yet. Ask rk.
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Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:27 pm

peeker643 wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.


Same Mom for both, so we'll need to shelve the Antonio Cromartie jokes for awhile.


If his career lasts as long as LaDainian Tomlinson's or Tony Richardson's there's a shot for a father and son matchup in the future.

So there's that.

And I keep feeling sick about #4 on TR when the best we can hope for is that he puts up a Hillis-like season each year for the next 6-8 years (2010 Hillis). Honestly, the value in Hillis was running, receiving and pass-pro.

Had Hillis and the Browns not gone Kramer vs Kramer in 2011 they'd be getting substantially better instead of restoring their running game to 2010 levels when they went 5-11 with that kind of back.

Awesome.


And had we signed a fa wr..... we could be drafting to complete the team.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:30 pm

jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.


Same Mom for both, so we'll need to shelve the Antonio Cromartie jokes for awhile.


If his career lasts as long as LaDainian Tomlinson's or Tony Richardson's there's a shot for a father and son matchup in the future.

So there's that.

And I keep feeling sick about #4 on TR when the best we can hope for is that he puts up a Hillis-like season each year for the next 6-8 years (2010 Hillis). Honestly, the value in Hillis was running, receiving and pass-pro.

Had Hillis and the Browns not gone Kramer vs Kramer in 2011 they'd be getting substantially better instead of restoring their running game to 2010 levels when they went 5-11 with that kind of back.

Awesome.


And had we signed a fa wr..... we could be drafting to complete the team.


Indeed. But oh, we would have "overpayed," ZOMG! :hic: B/c that NEVER happens in FA. :gah:
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:34 pm

Charlie Casserly reporting Browns and Vikings talking about swapping picks.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:36 pm

If the Browns trade up in this draft everyone should quit them, instantly.

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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:40 pm

peeker643 wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:BTW- how did I just hear about the 20 yr old Richardson having a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old only last night?

Kid puts in work all over the place apparently.


Same Mom for both, so we'll need to shelve the Antonio Cromartie jokes for awhile.


If his career lasts as long as LaDainian Tomlinson's or Tony Richardson's there's a shot for a father and son matchup in the future.

So there's that.

And I keep feeling sick about #4 on TR when the best we can hope for is that he puts up a Hillis-like season each year for the next 6-8 years (2010 Hillis). Honestly, the value in Hillis was running, receiving and pass-pro.

Had Hillis and the Browns not gone Kramer vs Kramer in 2011 they'd be getting substantially better instead of restoring their running game to 2010 levels when they went 5-11 with that kind of back.

Awesome.


Whoa! I actually agreed w/ you on keeping Hillis. The stuubbornness on all sides astounds me. That said, TR>Hillis, and it's really not close, I think. Better in almost all phases. Hillis is a good back; TR will be GREAT, IMHO.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:43 pm

peeker643 wrote:Charlie Casserly reporting Browns and Vikings talking about swapping picks.


BOOM. Don't like having to do it, but they put themselves in hell when they whiffed on RGIII. I AM surprised they're thinking about it, though.
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Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:43 pm

peeker643 wrote:Charlie Casserly reporting Browns and Vikings talking about swapping picks.



Cuz Heckert wants to make sure he gets Claiborne. The writing is on the wall people.
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Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:45 pm

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Charlie Casserly reporting Browns and Vikings talking about swapping picks.



Cuz Heckert wants to make sure he gets Claiborne. The writing is on the wall people.


If they do that, acts of terrorism in Berea would not be out of the question. Just sayin'. :hic:
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:46 pm

2010 Hillis was all you could hope TR will be.

1200 yards rushing, 3-down back, excellent blocker and blitz recognition, 60 catches for 500 more yards and 13 TDs.

If you're looking for more than that from any back in any year you're asking too much.

So he went crazy and the team helped him get there. Not much you can do. But you wonder if they had paid the guy market value for that 2010 production what may have been. At least I wonder.

TR may be faster but he's not a sprinter either.

It's all moot because it is what it is, but it's a hole in the head that was partially self-inflicted.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby swerb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:48 pm

If these morons end up getting Butch Davis'd into giving up a pick to move up one spot to #3 to RB ... AFTER shitting their pants during RG3 negotiations and missing out on a chance to get a franchise QB ...
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:50 pm

peeker643 wrote:2010 Hillis was all you could hope TR will be.

1200 yards rushing, 3-down back, excellent blocker and blitz recognition, 60 catches for 500 more yards and 13 TDs.

If you're looking for more than that from any back in any year you're asking too much.

So he went crazy and the team helped him get there. Not much you can do. But you wonder if they had paid the guy market value for that 2010 production what may have been. At least I wonder.

TR may be faster but he's not a sprinter either.

It's all moot because it is what it is, but it's a hole in the head that was partially self-inflicted.


TR, assuming health, etc., strikes me as 1,500-1,650 yds. rushing per yr. guy, w/ additional receiving numbers. I like Hillis, but he's also been in the league 4 yrs. now, too. TR is fresh.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:56 pm

swerb wrote:If these morons end up getting Butch Davis'd into giving up a pick to move up one spot to #3 to RB ... AFTER shitting their pants during RG3 negotiations and missing out on a chance to get a franchise QB ...


I mean, I agree on RG3, but I think the possibility of being jumped at 3 is far more real than Butch in '03. A 4 pick that results in a DB or RT is a nightmare, PR and otherwise, for them.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:01 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:If the Browns trade up in this draft everyone should quit them, instantly..



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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:02 pm

No, they have 76 holes on this roster, if they give up a draft pick for a fucking RB after failing to go get THE QB. FUCK THEM.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:03 pm

And I think/hope rebel is right.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:05 pm

peeker643 wrote:2010 Hillis was all you could hope TR will be..



Not so fast my friend.

We really don't know TR's true 40.

He's got shake n bake Hillis lacked

Hillis is a fumbler.

1,200 is 75 YPG. Very nice but TR may very well be capable of more.

Upgrade.

Having said that, still hoping for a trade down to TB or Mihammi and getting another 2nd.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:06 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:No, they have 76 holes on this roster, if they give up a draft pick for a fucking RB after failing to go get THE QB. FUCK THEM.



And this is what it took Boychik?

Heh.

We're slotted top 5 next season. Bet your urban renewal rent control on it.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:07 pm

jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:2010 Hillis was all you could hope TR will be..



Not so fast my friend.

We really don't know TR's true 40.

He's got shake n bake Hillis lacked

Hillis is a fumbler.

1,200 is 75 YPG. Very nice but TR may very well be capable of more.

Upgrade.

Having said that, still hoping for a trade down to TB or Mihammi and getting another 2nd.


I'd be fully onboard w/ this, if TR is gone, provided they end up w/ Blackmon or Floyd. If not, what's the point?

EDIT: In fact, the tradedown is far preferable to being stuck w/ a DB or RT at 4.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:12 pm

jb wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:No, they have 76 holes on this roster, if they give up a draft pick for a fucking RB after failing to go get THE QB. FUCK THEM.



And this is what it took Boychik?

Heh.

We're slotted top 5 next season. Bet your urban renewal rent control on it.


My agenda has been the same since roughly 1995. But people had (what I thought) was legit faith in Heckert. If he blows this pick for an RB it is all going upside down.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:12 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:
jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:2010 Hillis was all you could hope TR will be..



Not so fast my friend.

We really don't know TR's true 40.

He's got shake n bake Hillis lacked

Hillis is a fumbler.

1,200 is 75 YPG. Very nice but TR may very well be capable of more.

Upgrade.

Having said that, still hoping for a trade down to TB or Mihammi and getting another 2nd.


I'd be fully onboard w/ this, if TR is gone, provided they end up w/ Blackmon or Floyd. If not, what's the point?

EDIT: In fact, the tradedown is far preferable to being stuck w/ a DB or RT at 4.



The point is that this is an unusually deep draft . For every player that is supposedly the shizzznit there are 3 who are reasonable facsimiles that in the right system and on a good team may well be better.

After the 2 QB's, the differentiation gets tricky.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:16 pm

Bingo
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:18 pm

Regardless of who we get in this draft, next season we're still not winning more than 5 games, still picking in the top 6 and still looking for the franchise QB.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:19 pm

jb wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:
jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:2010 Hillis was all you could hope TR will be..



Not so fast my friend.

We really don't know TR's true 40.

He's got shake n bake Hillis lacked

Hillis is a fumbler.

1,200 is 75 YPG. Very nice but TR may very well be capable of more.

Upgrade.

Having said that, still hoping for a trade down to TB or Mihammi and getting another 2nd.


I'd be fully onboard w/ this, if TR is gone, provided they end up w/ Blackmon or Floyd. If not, what's the point?

EDIT: In fact, the tradedown is far preferable to being stuck w/ a DB or RT at 4.



The point is that this is an unusually deep draft . For every player that is supposedly the shizzznit there are 3 who are reasonable facsimiles that in the right system and on a good team may well be better.

After the 2 QB's, the differentiation gets tricky.


One, not at RB, just to be clear. There's TR and then there are... the others. At WR, yes, it is much less clear. That said, I think Blackmon and Floyd (in whatever order you choose) are a notch above the other WR's. So, trading down to get the 3rd best WR is not something I'm interested in.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:22 pm

jb wrote:
CleSportsTruth wrote:
jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:2010 Hillis was all you could hope TR will be..



Not so fast my friend.

We really don't know TR's true 40.

He's got shake n bake Hillis lacked

Hillis is a fumbler.

1,200 is 75 YPG. Very nice but TR may very well be capable of more.

Upgrade.

Having said that, still hoping for a trade down to TB or Mihammi and getting another 2nd.


I'd be fully onboard w/ this, if TR is gone, provided they end up w/ Blackmon or Floyd. If not, what's the point?

EDIT: In fact, the tradedown is far preferable to being stuck w/ a DB or RT at 4.



The point is that this is an unusually deep draft . For every player that is supposedly the shizzznit there are 3 who are reasonable facsimiles that in the right system and on a good team may well be better.

After the 2 QB's, the differentiation gets tricky.


Which s my point in a nutshell. TR is faster than Hillis, but he isn't a "See light and gone" guy at all. And moving up to get him is asinine when there are explosive backs who can score from anywhere throughout the first three rounds.

Not to mention, again, that with 1700 yards, 60 catches, good blocking, a goal line threat and 13 TDS in 2010 the Browns were 5-11.

TR is an upgrade though. I agree with that.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby OldDawg » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:25 pm

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:
OldDawg wrote:I want TR. But I have a hard time trading up to get him. You can't give up too much to move up one spot.
The last guy we traded up for like that was Braylon Edwards. Ugh.



Kellen Winslow maybe?

You're right. To me Edwards and Winslow are both part of the same nightmare, though, and have fused into one memory now.
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Re: Trade up to get TR?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:51 pm

CleSportsTruth wrote:
TR, assuming health, etc., strikes me as 1,500-1,650 yds. rushing per yr. guy, w/ additional receiving numbers. I like Hillis, but he's also been in the league 4 yrs. now, too. TR is fresh.


I think TR is a good back, but I'm pretty sure you just projected his ass straight to Canton.
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