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Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:59 am

We were going to go to linemen at some point but there's not much film and there are too many backs and WRs to stop just yet.

One of the more intriguing (and well known) RBs out there is Oregon's LaMichael James. Jason does a nice job breaking down what he brings and how he can do it.

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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:06 am

I don't need to click on the link to say that kid has one of the most tremendous bursts I've ever seen in my 55 yrs of watching football

EVER!

He is a certified bolt of freaking lightning that will put the Fear of God into any D any time he touches the ball
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby jb » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:08 am

If he's there at 3, would love him as a change of pace player if needs have been addressed.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:49 am

Where is he projected to go?

I think Sproles has proven that players like this can be valuable if used correctly.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:36 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Where is he projected to go?

I think Sproles has proven that players like this can be valuable if used correctly.



Everything I've read has him anywhere from latter 3rd of 2nd round through end of round 3.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:51 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Where is he projected to go?

I think Sproles has proven that players like this can be valuable if used correctly.



Everything I've read has him anywhere from latter 3rd of 2nd round through end of round 3.


SD:

Be some real firepower if you had to use the 37 on him after picking Tanneyhill then a Rt at 22 leaves you ten draft picks to find wideouts linebackers and safety.

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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:29 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Where is he projected to go?

I think Sproles has proven that players like this can be valuable if used correctly.



Everything I've read has him anywhere from latter 3rd of 2nd round through end of round 3.


SD:

Be some real firepower if you had to use the 37 on him after picking Tanneyhill then a Rt at 22 leaves you ten draft picks to find wideouts linebackers and safety.

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For the love of all that is holy, that sounds horrific.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:43 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Where is he projected to go?

I think Sproles has proven that players like this can be valuable if used correctly.



Everything I've read has him anywhere from latter 3rd of 2nd round through end of round 3.


SD:

Be some real firepower if you had to use the 37 on him after picking Tanneyhill then a Rt at 22 leaves you ten draft picks to find wideouts linebackers and safety.

SoulDawg


For the love of all that is holy, that sounds horrific.



SD:

Which part maybe i can bottle it .

Ever heard of a kid named Waters played for the 49ers who was that size or that scatback who starred in Philly for a decade and was 60% of their offense.

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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:20 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Where is he projected to go?

I think Sproles has proven that players like this can be valuable if used correctly.



Everything I've read has him anywhere from latter 3rd of 2nd round through end of round 3.


SD:

Be some real firepower if you had to use the 37 on him after picking Tanneyhill then a Rt at 22 leaves you ten draft picks to find wideouts linebackers and safety.

SoulDawg


For the love of all that is holy, that sounds horrific.



SD:

Which part maybe i can bottle it .

Ever heard of a kid named Waters played for the 49ers who was that size or that scatback who starred in Philly for a decade and was 60% of their offense.

SoulDawg


Ever heard of a kid named Tommy B that had to take over b/c some dude got injured and went on to win 3 SB's and marry a Supermodel?

Cleveland is immune to fairy tales.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:30 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Where is he projected to go?

I think Sproles has proven that players like this can be valuable if used correctly.



Everything I've read has him anywhere from latter 3rd of 2nd round through end of round 3.


SD:

Be some real firepower if you had to use the 37 on him after picking Tanneyhill then a Rt at 22 leaves you ten draft picks to find wideouts linebackers and safety.

SoulDawg


For the love of all that is holy, that sounds horrific.



SD:

Which part maybe i can bottle it .

Ever heard of a kid named Waters played for the 49ers who was that size or that scatback who starred in Philly for a decade and was 60% of their offense.

SoulDawg


Ever heard of a kid named Tommy B that had to take over b/c some dude got injured and went on to win 3 SB's and marry a Supermodel?

Cleveland is immune to fairy tales.



SD:

Well we mistook Braylon for a man , and we had touchdown Tommy does that count


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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:11 am

SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

Well we mistook Braylon for a man , and we had touchdown Tommy does that count


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Only if you want to pull off your own toenails with pliars.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:21 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:SD:

Well we mistook Braylon for a man , and we had touchdown Tommy does that count


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Only if you want to pull off your own toenails with pliars.



SD:

If it comes down to that or wafting thru another plate of Mccoy Alpo , I'm reaching for the pliers .


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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:25 pm

Rickey Watters would be among some of the best ever if he could have held onto the ball on a regular basis

..but he couldn't, so he isn't

Dude was a fumble machine

You're picking name sout of a hat, now

The guy James should be compared to is James Brooks + warp speed
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:44 pm

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:Rickey Watters would be among some of the best ever if he could have held onto the ball on a regular basis

..but he couldn't, so he isn't

Dude was a fumble machine

You're picking name sout of a hat, now

The guy James should be compared to is James Brooks + warp speed



SD:

Westbrooks value would be specific to this argument , but not even he had warp speed .

In a passing offense , there is much to be said for a scatback who can house a swing pass from anywhere on the field

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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby jb » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:12 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
Ever heard of a kid named Waters played for the 49ers who was that size or that scatback who starred in Philly for a decade and was 60% of their offense.

SoulDawg



I've heard of a Ricky Watters who was 6'1" 210 but not this Ricky Watters scat back of which you speak.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:00 pm

I mentioned Brooks because he played bigger than he was

James runs just as hard
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:05 pm

Just fucking draft him and STFU already.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby trsteve1 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:21 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Where is he projected to go?

I think Sproles has proven that players like this can be valuable if used correctly.



Everything I've read has him anywhere from latter 3rd of 2nd round through end of round 3.


SD:

Be some real firepower if you had to use the 37 on him after picking Tanneyhill then a Rt at 22 leaves you ten draft picks to find wideouts linebackers and safety.

SoulDawg


I'll take this, except, switch it to something that doesn't involve Tannehill... anything that doesn't involve him.

Read somewhere about the Browns talking about a trade with the Rams, for the Rams to get back to #4 to take Blackmon, you know, so the Browns can make it possible for 2 years in a row for someone ELSE to get a stud at WR... :gah:
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:35 pm

trsteve1 wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Where is he projected to go?

I think Sproles has proven that players like this can be valuable if used correctly.



Everything I've read has him anywhere from latter 3rd of 2nd round through end of round 3.


SD:

Be some real firepower if you had to use the 37 on him after picking Tanneyhill then a Rt at 22 leaves you ten draft picks to find wideouts linebackers and safety.

SoulDawg


I'll take this, except, switch it to something that doesn't involve Tannehill... anything that doesn't involve him.

Read somewhere about the Browns talking about a trade with the Rams, for the Rams to get back to #4 to take Blackmon, you know, so the Browns can make it possible for 2 years in a row for someone ELSE to get a stud at WR... :gah:



SD:

Actually perfect scenario for mitigating the reach pick of Tanney offset by a DC #2 this year or preferably a #1 next year .

The Browns got nothing , they can't even sell hope if they foolishly trot out that Dog squat Mccoy as the answer , season ticket sales are in the toilet .

They can pick Richardson at 6 after Miami trades up for Fannyhill , and then choose 137 year old weeden who they want but can hardly justify picking so early due to him being eligible for social security.

The Browns will have to rely on being lucky than good , because their F u C ked in this draft due to their own incompetence.

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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:45 pm

trsteve1 wrote:Read somewhere about the Browns talking about a trade with the Rams, for the Rams to get back to #4 to take Blackmon, you know, so the Browns can make it possible for 2 years in a row for someone ELSE to get a stud at WR... :gah:


Meh. IMHO, any of the WR's that might be available at 22 have as much stud potential as Blackmon. There's just not enough separation between Blackmon and the other 1st round guys for me to get upset.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:28 pm

jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
Ever heard of a kid named Waters played for the 49ers who was that size or that scatback who starred in Philly for a decade and was 60% of their offense.

SoulDawg



I've heard of a Ricky Watters who was 6'1" 210 but not this Ricky Watters scat back of which you speak.



Your correct shows the difference in eras , he was a feature back then at that size , but would be considered a scatback now at that size even if he played the role of feature back .
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby jb » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:32 am

SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
Ever heard of a kid named Waters played for the 49ers who was that size or that scatback who starred in Philly for a decade and was 60% of their offense.

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I've heard of a Ricky Watters who was 6'1" 210 but not this Ricky Watters scat back of which you speak.



Your correct shows the difference in eras , he was a feature back then at that size , but would be considered a scatback now at that size even if he played the role of feature back .


210 is a scatback?

Just say uncle and move on.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:51 pm

jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
Ever heard of a kid named Waters played for the 49ers who was that size or that scatback who starred in Philly for a decade and was 60% of their offense.

SoulDawg



I've heard of a Ricky Watters who was 6'1" 210 but not this Ricky Watters scat back of which you speak.



Your correct shows the difference in eras , he was a feature back then at that size , but would be considered a scatback now at that size even if he played the role of feature back .


210 is a scatback?

Just say uncle and move on.



If it makes ya happy

Emmitt was 220

jacobs is 260

Hillis is 250

AP is 225

Gore is 230

The Atlanta feature back has to go a duece and a half

Harrison weighed more than 205 and you could slap him down with a wave .

Waters had shake and bake and he was used in the Westbrook type mode which was my point ,, James is not as big as either but faster than any other examples a true scat back which I doubt could be a feature back .

But whatever your moody ass wants to argue over just take your midol and go to the next one ,,

Im out on this .


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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby jb » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:57 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
Ever heard of a kid named Waters played for the 49ers who was that size or that scatback who starred in Philly for a decade and was 60% of their offense.

SoulDawg



I've heard of a Ricky Watters who was 6'1" 210 but not this Ricky Watters scat back of which you speak.



Your correct shows the difference in eras , he was a feature back then at that size , but would be considered a scatback now at that size even if he played the role of feature back .


210 is a scatback?

Just say uncle and move on.



If it makes ya happy

Emmitt was 220

jacobs is 260

Hillis is 250

AP is 225

Gore is 230

The Atlanta feature back has to go a duece and a half

Harrison weighed more than 205 and you could slap him down with a wave .

Waters had shake and bake and he was used in the Westbrook type mode which was my point ,, James is not as big as either but faster than any other examples a true scat back which I doubt could be a feature back .

But whatever your moody ass wants to argue over just take your midol and go to the next one ,,

Im out on this .


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E Smith listed at 210 here:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... itEm00.htm

216 at NFL.com in his last year in Zona.

Frank Gore is under 220.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8479/frank-gore

AP is under 220

http://www.nfl.com/player/adrianpeterso ... 64/profile


10 pounds don't make a damn bit of difference, esp when you are 6'1". . A scat back is = < 200 in this day & age.

The rest of the guys you list were big, higher side, power backs.

LMJ is 185 damn pounds. 25 pounds lighter than Watters 20 years ago. That's a scat back.

It's aint about my mood. It's about your inability to ever just call your bullshit "bullshit" even once when you are as wrong as a $ 3 bill.

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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:39 pm

jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
jb wrote:
SoulDawg74 wrote:
Ever heard of a kid named Waters played for the 49ers who was that size or that scatback who starred in Philly for a decade and was 60% of their offense.

SoulDawg



I've heard of a Ricky Watters who was 6'1" 210 but not this Ricky Watters scat back of which you speak.



Your correct shows the difference in eras , he was a feature back then at that size , but would be considered a scatback now at that size even if he played the role of feature back .


210 is a scatback?

Just say uncle and move on.



If it makes ya happy

Emmitt was 220

jacobs is 260

Hillis is 250

AP is 225

Gore is 230

The Atlanta feature back has to go a duece and a half

Harrison weighed more than 205 and you could slap him down with a wave .

Waters had shake and bake and he was used in the Westbrook type mode which was my point ,, James is not as big as either but faster than any other examples a true scat back which I doubt could be a feature back .

But whatever your moody ass wants to argue over just take your midol and go to the next one ,,

Im out on this .


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E Smith listed at 210 here:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... itEm00.htm

216 at NFL.com in his last year in Zona.

Frank Gore is under 220.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8479/frank-gore

AP is under 220

http://www.nfl.com/player/adrianpeterso ... 64/profile


10 pounds don't make a damn bit of difference, esp when you are 6'1". . A scat back is = < 200 in this day & age.

The rest of the guys you list were big, higher side, power backs.

LMJ is 185 damn pounds. 25 pounds lighter than Watters 20 years ago. That's a scat back.

It's aint about my mood. It's about your inability to ever just call your bullshit "bullshit" even once when you are as wrong as a $ 3 bill.

Is what it is.



SD:

I refered to Micheals as a scatback , not a feature back .

The rest is yours see if it will buy you a cup of coffee at mcDonalds.


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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby jb » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:10 pm

Thought you was done?

You compared LMJ to Ricky Watters. Dude, one was a feature back who did it all and the other is a change of pace home run hitter.

You're just fuckin' wrong amigo. It's OK to admit it.

You're in good company. Tree called TR Barry sanders this week, too.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:11 pm

jb wrote:Thought you was done?

You compared LMJ to Ricky Watters. Dude, one was a feature back who did it all and the other is a change of pace home run hitter.

You're just fuckin' wrong amigo. It's OK to admit it.

You're in good company. Tree called TR Barry sanders this week, too.


Please, sir, we don't need to know what Tree might be saying.
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Re: Too Many too Stop- LaMichael James

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:45 pm

jb wrote:Thought you was done?

You compared LMJ to Ricky Watters. Dude, one was a feature back who did it all and the other is a change of pace home run hitter.

You're just fuckin' wrong amigo. It's OK to admit it.

You're in good company. Tree called TR Barry sanders this week, too.



Let me know when I compare anybody to Barry Sanders would ya .

In my book next to Roger Craig and Rathman waters was in a different category and his shake and bake put him more in the scatback type player in my book , granted he was more .

Westbrook was also my comparison back who also did everything from a much smaller size that one would think possible .

FMB compared James to Brooks , same category of water bug which was apt for james , who I said was much faster than all examples but a scat back .

Forgive me for disturbing your sensibilities and regarding Waters as small , thats how I remeber him , so take your midol

and have a good day .

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