HoodooMan wrote:Hikohadon wrote:Again, wake me when the Jets win anything but a few playoff games against flawed teams.
I don't want to do the knee-jerk political-talk kind of thing where I lump all the QBerz into one group and triumphantly point and smirk at inconsistencies that stretch over several different people, but in order to avoid doing that, in order to keep my head from blowing off my body, in order to resist finally lighting the accelerant this forum has encouraged me to douse my body with over the last week or so, I'm going to need some help from you.
What, praytell, is it you specifically feel you 1) need and/or 2) ideally want in order to compete for championships in the NFL? And at what cost are you willing to pursue these needs & wants?
(I beg of you, though. If your answer in any way resembles "QBs are all that matter. I'd move up for Luck or RG3, regardless of cost," do me a favor and just shoot me in the back of the head, so I don't have to see it coming.)
QB's are not all that matters.
They do matter more than any other position on the team, however.
You can win a SB with a mediocre RT, a mediocre LB, a mediocre WR, a mediocre Safety. In today's day and age, I don't believe you can win without at least a "very good" QB.
Thus, my belief that Mark Sanchez will never win a SB no matter what you put around him.
Thus, my belief that the Jets have already hit their ceiling with that guy, so the next couple years for them will be, essentially, useless.
I have no problem with building the defense into a monster. I have no problem with getting all the best playmakers on offense that we can. I want all those things - but they won't get us where (I assume) we want to go unless the QB is in place too.
You mistake me if you think I don't share your desire to build this team in every way. In no way do I think that the Browns should just take a shot at getting an elite QB and then their job is done. Even if the Browns got Luck or RG3, there is no guarantee they would a) develop properly into elite or b) become elite even if everything were perfect for them.
But you HAVE to have a QB in that spot who you realistically think CAN be elite/really good/SB win-worthy/insert term here regardless of what you do with the rest of your team-building efforts.
In that sense, no, I'm not comfortable with selling out to move up 2 or 3 spots. But I do caution that if we enter 2012 with Colt or Seneca, that's just another year we're stuck in neutral until we get "The Guy" in here and he starts to develop. Thus, I gladly leave the "Move Up or Not To Move Up" decision to Heckert and hope that he makes the right decision in the QB regard.
To answer your question specifically, I 1) need a Top 12-ish QB with some playmakers, consistent coaching, and a defense that isn't necessarily great statistically but can rush the passer and create turnovers and/or 2) want Green Bay's offense with Ray Rice and a better O Line, combined with the Giants Defense from the 2007 SB run.
And if Luck/RG3 indeed are the next coming of Brees/Rodgers/Brady, then it would be hard to find a cost too high. Again, that's not my decision, nor my job. The Browns don't even necessarily need a Brees/Rodgers/Brady to win it all, imho.
But they do need at least an Eli/POS/Rivers/Stafford.
In the end, I don't see how our paths differ that much. I want the same things you do - I'm sure you don't not want a franchise QB. Where we differ is that it seems you think having a top-end QB is a luxury whereas I feel it is a necessity.