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On draft day, Browns should run, not pass, to Peterson

Unread postby Dozen » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:36 pm

http://sportsline.com/nfl/story/10145466

Great read :mrgreen:


Love this quote

It's not just that Peterson is a marvelous back or that he fills an enormous void in the Cleveland lineup. It's not that he reminds some coaches of Eric Dickerson, either, a back so talented he set the league single-season rushing record and was named to the Hall of Fame.

No, the reason for taking Adrian Peterson runs deeper, because it's Cleveland we're talking about. You don't win games in Cleveland in November and December by throwing the ball; you win by playing sound defense and grinding down opponents with an effective rushing game
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Re: On draft day, Browns should run, not pass, to Peterson

Unread postby consigliere » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:37 pm

Dozen wrote:No, the reason for taking Adrian Peterson runs deeper, because it's Cleveland we're talking about. You don't win games in Cleveland in November and December by throwing the ball; you win by playing sound defense and grinding down opponents with an effective rushing game


While that quote from SI is noted, it is just a half truth.

Because in the history of winning Browns football you always had a GOOD QB. Those teams won in Nov and Dec back in the day because of Jim Brown and others.....but I think QBs like Kosar, Sipe, Ryan, and Graham had just as much an affect on winning in Nov/Dec.
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Unread postby Dozen » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:43 pm

very good points
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Unread postby consigliere » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:45 pm

We need both man. QB and RB. I'm happy with either A Pete or one of the two QBs....but if I could do it my way I'd get the QB this year, develop him next year, and then when we are in the top 10 next year go get one of McFadden, Rice, or Slaton.....
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Unread postby Dozen » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:55 pm

I honestly wouldnt be disapointed with Russell because I can see his upside being alot higher than Quinn. His size, and speed may make him more atractive to us because he could scramble which would help the line and being able to run with the size he has would fit the mold for the type of QB you need here in Nov/Dec. Im almost split right between them right now.................. I cannot wait til saturday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Unread postby yogi » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:16 am

I honestly wouldnt be disapointed with Russell because I can see his upside being alot higher than Quinn.


Agreed.

But JR's downside if hit would be a new alltime low for this franchise. It would in effect fire the entire FO and coaching staff and have us start all over again from a position much lower than what we had in 99, 02 and 05.

Brady Quinn playing floor, his lowside (so to speak) would be much higher QB play than what we get now or hope to get from CF or DA.
If Weiss says that Quinn can potentially be the 3rd best QB in the league in 3 years, that's a high enough ceiling for me. I'm not that greedy!
And even if Weiss was pumping his boy a bit, he wouldn't be saying such outrageous things if Quinn couldn't play.
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Re: On draft day, Browns should run, not pass, to Peterson

Unread postby jb » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:53 am

Consigliere wrote:
Dozen wrote:No, the reason for taking Adrian Peterson runs deeper, because it's Cleveland we're talking about. You don't win games in Cleveland in November and December by throwing the ball; you win by playing sound defense and grinding down opponents with an effective rushing game


While that quote from SI is noted, it is just a half truth.

Because in the history of winning Browns football you always had a GOOD QB. Those teams won in Nov and Dec back in the day because of Jim Brown and others.....but I think QBs like Kosar, Sipe, Ryan, and Graham had just as much an affect on winning in Nov/Dec.


Yeah, Frank Ryan really carried Jim Brown. :P :-P :razz:

Tony, I concede your point that the Browns were arguably the first QB oriented finesse team with Otto, but in the 60's? NFW.

Ryan and Nelson were more guile than good, moretoughness than talent, more acumen than ability. And to be honest with you, Kosar never ran a Dan Foutes offense. That was a balanced, tough team Marty had, on both sides of the ball.

The Browns' sure nuff need a good QB to finish the package - one a damn site better than Frye & probably DA. But we are talking where to go from a starting point.

Do you try to build off where we are with a franchise QB? Or a franchise RB? IMhO, you have no choice but to do the latter as the former will more than likely be ruined in the process. The other carry over of having a tough, physical, running team is that the mentality will carry over to the defense, like the Sucklers. We need toughness like Rosie O'Donnell needs laryngitas.
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Unread postby Guest » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:00 am

It's been so long since the Browns were any good we're naming guys from 20-50 years ago just to satisfy ourselves.

We need to build with new names and new guys.
It should start with Adrian Peterson.
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Unread postby dpdad » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:40 am

Getting Peterson in Rd 1, best available OL in Rd 2, and Troy Smith in Rd 3 would be just fine with me.
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:07 am

Points noted JB. I listed Ryan as a 4th guy. Still, I believe for this team to be successful, it can't just be having a great QB or RB....we need balance with both. When this franchise has won in the past, it is because they have a good QB and great RB, or a very good QB and some good RBs.

We aren't winning anything with Frye/DA at QB even if Tomlinson was back there.
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Unread postby Dozen » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:46 am

For some odd reason I could see a Apete in the 1st and Stanton in the 2nd comparing to SD's LT/Brees draft a few years back. I hate to ignore the OL but would you guys take that?
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Unread postby consigliere » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:04 am

I in no way want Stanton. I am just not a fan of his at all....I'd rather reach for Troy Smith there than draft Stanton.
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Unread postby Dozen » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:13 am

Im not really that familar with Stanton, just kinda going by mocks that have him going in the early 2nd. Id like to see just for comparison Tsmith/Stantons stats compared to Breescoming outta college.
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Unread postby furls » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:50 pm

Smith has much better stats than either of the other 2, but Stats really aren't relevant. I don't like Stanton because he has shown very little growth in the last 4 years.

Smith:

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2003 0 0 0 0.0 0.00 0 0 0 0 0.00
2004 68 122 896 55.7 7.34 68 8 3 10 134.15
2005 149 237 2282 62.9 9.63 85 16 4 14 162.66
2006 203 311 2542 65.3 8.17 58 30 6 18 161.91


Stanton:

2003 2 3 39 66.7 13.00 31 0 0 1 175.87
2004 141 220 1601 64.1 7.28 57 8 6 4 131.76
2005 236 354 3077 66.7 8.69 75 22 12 23 153.41
2006 164 269 1807 61.0 6.72 46 12 10 19 124.68

Brees (in a different format)

Passing
Year Att. Comp. Int. Yds. TD Pct.
1997 43 19 1 232 0 .442
1998 569 361 20 3,983 39 .634
1999 554 337 12 3,909 25 .608
2000 512 309 12 3,668 26 .604
Totals 1,678 1,026 45 11,792 90 .611
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Unread postby Dozen » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:09 pm

Thx Furls :mrgreen:
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Unread postby Guest » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:26 pm

Dick is a big Stanton guy, or at least was.
I like Beck and Edwards much more than Stanton.
I also am high on Jordan Palmer later on.
I just think that AP is too good to pass up, just like I think CJ is also if he's there.
I would rather have a so called can't miss RB than a QB given the history of not just us taking QBs but QBs in general.
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Unread postby swerb » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:08 pm

I loved Stanton in 2005. Loved him. Felt he was primed to be one of the next really good ones at the next level.

I fell out of love last year due to inexcusable mental mistakes. But now ... in hindsight, that was such a bad MSU team.

My take on Stanton now is that he will either become a superstar or a colossal bust in the NFL. For how early he is slated to go, I don't see him as worth the risk.
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Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:14 pm

I still ask the question: why mess with drafting project quarterbacks?
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Unread postby The Truth » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:25 am

The Browns like Edwards, Beck and Stanton.......if they don't go QB in the first round, you may see them make a play for one of these three in the second.

LJ isn't going to happen, I was told the Browns do not want to deal away a 2nd this season, swap another pick and have to get him under a new contract, which would have to be the highest paid at the position.

On the QB's, I'd take any of the three noted today above the Frye/Anderson fiasco we see at this time.
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