The coordinator hires

[jb]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_will_intervie_4.html

Update: MKC said on ABAO that Cromwell and Zorn aren't candidates anymore. Man, I'd love to see haskell help as OC for a season.

[peeker643]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_will_intervie_4.html

You Pompei article mentioned Jauron as DC and Wannstedt as Assoc Head Coach.

FWIW

[jb]

MKC is now reporting Bill Musgrave will be interviewed as OC. I THINK I recall him as Oreygun QB - they were running the Tedford NFL friendly system that rolled out Akili and Joey, not that goofy stuff they do now. But that's about it.

Some haskell ties.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Musgrave


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/01/cleveland_browns_interviewing.html

[Mavre]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dc83db/article/musgrave-expected-to-be-browns-pick-for-ocoordinator?module=HP_headlines
Looks Like Musgrave is the guy for O

[jb]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dc83db/article/musgrave-expected-to-be-browns-pick-for-ocoordinator?module=HP_headlines
Looks Like Musgrave is the guy for O

Let the hating begin.

Browns fans are irrational in regard to OC's & expectations.

[peeker643]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dc83db/article/musgrave-expected-to-be-browns-pick-for-ocoordinator?module=HP_headlines
Looks Like Musgrave is the guy for O

Let the hating begin.

Browns fans are irrational in regard to OC's & expectations.

Not so fast (I mean, you'll have to wait specifically on who to hate) because Musgrave is headed to Minnesota to interview as well.

[pup]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dc83db/article/musgrave-expected-to-be-browns-pick-for-ocoordinator?module=HP_headlines
Looks Like Musgrave is the guy for O

Let the hating begin.

Browns fans are irrational in regard to OC's & expectations.

What difference does the OC make? HC is calling the plays.

[jb]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dc83db/article/musgrave-expected-to-be-browns-pick-for-ocoordinator?module=HP_headlines
Looks Like Musgrave is the guy for O

Let the hating begin.

Browns fans are irrational in regard to OC's & expectations.

What difference does the OC make? HC is calling the plays.

I've heard playclling is overrated.

[jb]

Mort says Musgrave hired by Minny

Who is gonna take this job w/out playcalling duties? Zorn?

[Ziner]

Who is gonna take this job w/out playcalling duties?

Someone who isn't going to add a whole hell of a lot of value. I didn't mind the Shurmur hire, but him calling his own plays are stupid. I want a head coach to be able to manage the game on gameday, not worry about his next play choice.

[peeker643]

Mort says Musgrave hired by Minny

Who is gonna take this job w/out playcalling duties? Zorn?

No. It'll be a younger TE/WR/QB type coach who wants to move up and who can call plays when Shurmgren believes he's ready. Be stunned if an established OC who's had those duties takes this gig.

[jb]

Who is gonna take this job w/out playcalling duties?

Someone who isn't going to add a whole hell of a lot of value. I didn't mind the Shurmur hire, but him calling his own plays are stupid. I want a head coach to be able to manage the game on gameday, not worry about his next play choice.

IIRC Fudd tried this an they ended up having no formal OC. I could be wrong but that's what I recall.

[jb]

Mort says Musgrave hired by Minny

Who is gonna take this job w/out playcalling duties? Zorn?

No. It'll be a younger TE/WR/QB type coach who wants to move up and who can call plays when Shurmgren believes he's ready. Be stunned if an established OC who's had those duties takes this gig.

Why aren't you all frothing at the cake hole about there not being clear HC / OC seperation of duties? I think Ziner is spot on, andthis is a failure of delegation by a guy who doesn't know how to HC. Questionable.

[JoJo White]

This is such a shitty, rudderless organization.

The Lerner family gave the Browns face AIDS.

[peeker643]

Mort says Musgrave hired by Minny

Who is gonna take this job w/out playcalling duties? Zorn?

No. It'll be a younger TE/WR/QB type coach who wants to move up and who can call plays when Shurmgren believes he's ready. Be stunned if an established OC who's had those duties takes this gig.

Why aren't you all frothing at the cake hole about there not being clear HC / OC seperation of duties? I think Ziner is spot on, andthis is a failure of delegation by a guy who doesn't know how to HC. Questionable.

Because then you and mattvan will vomit all over the place about there being a clear HC/OC delineation with Holmgren as coach and Shurmur as his OC.

[hiko]

Not sure it isn't a bad idea to have a first time HC start delegating the duties that he knows best. Do that when you're established and comfortable with the guy who you're delegating to.

I think delegating duties to the DC is enough for the time being.

Hardly like he will be the only HC that call his own plays.

[Ziner]

Holmgren has to target Mora Jr. for DC at this point since he has pulled his name out of the running in Denver and Philly right?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ladelphia/

I would not have an objection to that hire.

[pup]

Mark Whipple for OC.

After leading that vaunted Miami Hurricane offense, such a no brainer.

[jb]

Holmgren has to target Mora Jr. for DC at this point since he has pulled his name out of the running in Denver and Philly right?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ladelphia/

I would not have an objection to that hire.

Were they tight or was Mora Jr kind of forced on him by the GM after Holmgren was sort of clueless about running the D as a HC?

I seem to recall something like that.

[pup]

Holmgren has to target Mora Jr. for DC at this point since he has pulled his name out of the running in Denver and Philly right?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ladelphia/

I would not have an objection to that hire.

Were they tight or was Mora Jr kind of forced on him by the GM after Holmgren was sort of clueless about running the D as a HC?

I seem to recall something like that.

Probably not gonna matter. Said he pulled out of the other ones because he wants one more year off.

[pup]

Muskgrave said no because he no likey Colt?

[rbm0183]

Muskgrave said no because he no likey Colt?

And he prefers Joe Webb? Unlikely. I'd guess that he wants to really run the offense and call his own plays, and he can do that in Minny.

[pup]

Muskgrave said no because he no likey Colt?

And he prefers Joe Webb? Unlikely. I'd guess that he wants to really run the offense and call his own plays, and he can do that in Minny.

Little bit of both?

Of course, the Vikings could be laying groundwork to acquire a veteran that he likes?

[hiko]

Muskgrave said no because he no likey Colt?

And he prefers Joe Webb? Unlikely. I'd guess that he wants to really run the offense and call his own plays, and he can do that in Minny.

Little bit of both?

Of course, the Vikings could be laying groundwork to acquire a veteran that he likes?

No, probably just the "he gets to call plays in Minny" thing. Assuming they had the choice, anyone in their right mind would take the Vikings job over the Browns job for that reason., no matter who the QB is. Lot harder to get that Head Coaching gig if you're not even calling the plays.

[Mr. X]

On the D Coordinator side.. Wanny and Billy Davis are interviewing for the DC position.

Sources: Browns holding interviews
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The Cleveland Browns are interviewing former Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator Billy Davis and former University of Pittsburgh coach Dave Wannstedt for their defensive coordinator job on Thursday, league sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

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Wannstedt was forced out at Pitt last month after a season in which the Panthers failed to make a BCS bowl, despite being prohibitive favorites to win the Big East in a down year for the conference. He formerly coached the Miami Dolphins and Chicago Bears after serving as Jimmy Johnson's defensive coordinator with the Dallas Cowboys and at the University of Miami.

The Cardinals fired Davis on Jan. 6, after a disappointing 5-11 season, in which Arizona was ranked 29th in overall defense and 30th in points allowed out of the league's 32 teams.

Davis was previously the San Francisco 49ers' defensive coordinator and served as a defensive assistant for six other NFL teams, including the Browns.

The Browns are hiring a defensive coordinator to replace Rob Ryan, who left Cleveland to take over the Dallas Cowboys' defense.

I'd prefer Wanny out of those two for sure.

[Calis32]

I think the Browns have to land Jauron or Wannstedt. Browns need somebody running the defense that can be independent and has experience. Otherwise it will feel like Mangini-Daboll only flipping offense/defense.

As long as the HC is calling the plays, OC is not even in the same galaxy of importance to the success of the Browns.

[jb]

On the D Coordinator side.. Wanny and Billy Davis are interviewing for the DC position.

Sources: Browns holding interviews
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ESPN.com news services
The Cleveland Browns are interviewing former Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator Billy Davis and former University of Pittsburgh coach Dave Wannstedt for their defensive coordinator job on Thursday, league sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

AFC North blog
ESPN.com's James Walker writes about all things AFC North in his division blog.

Wannstedt was forced out at Pitt last month after a season in which the Panthers failed to make a BCS bowl, despite being prohibitive favorites to win the Big East in a down year for the conference. He formerly coached the Miami Dolphins and Chicago Bears after serving as Jimmy Johnson's defensive coordinator with the Dallas Cowboys and at the University of Miami.

The Cardinals fired Davis on Jan. 6, after a disappointing 5-11 season, in which Arizona was ranked 29th in overall defense and 30th in points allowed out of the league's 32 teams.

Davis was previously the San Francisco 49ers' defensive coordinator and served as a defensive assistant for six other NFL teams, including the Browns.

The Browns are hiring a defensive coordinator to replace Rob Ryan, who left Cleveland to take over the Dallas Cowboys' defense.

I'd prefer Wanny out of those two for sure.

Wow.

I'm sure this pool was the result of a "wide search".

Fail

[leadpipe]

If they hire Whipple and the Wannstache, I would find that extremely funny, for a number of reasons.....if I lived in any other city.

[peeker643]

My buddy the draftnik is wondering if the Browns may be slow playing the DC job due to the fact a guy they like may be still coaching.

He brings up the name Mike Trgovac. That's an Ohio guy (Youngstown to be specific) with plenty of West Coast ties who's been successful wherever he's gone before. Has coordinator experience and has both 4-3 and 3-4 experience which might help with a hybrid defensive scheme until the right personnel are acquired.

He's currently with the Packers as d-line coach.

My friend says he hasn't heard the name mentioned but he likes to go a bit deeper and see if he can put puzzle pieces together himself.

[rbm0183]

My buddy the draftnik is wondering if the Browns may be slow playing the DC job due to the fact a guy they like may be still coaching.

He brings up the name Mike Trgovac. That's an Ohio guy (Youngstown to be specific) with plenty of West Coast ties who's been successful wherever he's gone before. Has coordinator experience and has both 4-3 and 3-4 experience which might help with a hybrid defensive scheme until the right personnel are acquired.

He's currently with the Packers as d-line coach.

My friend says he hasn't heard the name mentioned but he likes to go a bit deeper and see if he can put puzzle pieces together himself.

I hope that's what is going down, because the idea that no one is interested in coming here is very unsettling. It makes it seem like Shurmur is incredibly unprepared to be a HC, since most candidates already have the framework of their staff tentatively in place prior to being interviewed.

I want to feel good about Shurmur, but I have a very uneasy feeling.

[jb]

My buddy the draftnik is wondering if the Browns may be slow playing the DC job due to the fact a guy they like may be still coaching.

He brings up the name Mike Trgovac. That's an Ohio guy (Youngstown to be specific) with plenty of West Coast ties who's been successful wherever he's gone before. Has coordinator experience and has both 4-3 and 3-4 experience which might help with a hybrid defensive scheme until the right personnel are acquired.

He's currently with the Packers as d-line coach.

My friend says he hasn't heard the name mentioned but he likes to go a bit deeper and see if he can put puzzle pieces together himself.

I hope that's what is going down, because the idea that no one is interested in coming here is very unsettling. It makes it seem like Shurmur is incredibly unprepared to be a HC, since most candidates already have the framework of their staff tentatively in place prior to being interviewed.

I want to feel good about Shurmur, but I have a very uneasy feeling.

Former UM nosegurad back in the Rick Leach days IIRC. I generally like former D-Linemen who rise up to coordinator level. They are usually a little crazy. terlink always comes to my mind. Maybe becasue PTSD blanks out RAC. So we'd have a former center as HC and NT as DC from rival schools.


I like how the Packers 4 - 3 plays. Always solid, rarely gamble, vanilla. Strong emphasis on high moter guys, big fat guys inside, very active LBers, relies a lot on outside in strong corner play to work. Projects to trade down & JJ Watt (dreaming / hallucinating) ?

I'm not woried at all. This is because Gary Benz tells me none of us know anything about these guys, ergo, of course, the process is fine, Holmgren is the Pope of coaching personnel (mostly becasue Mangini was a cartoonish anti-Chrst) and all is for the best possible world, McCandide. You're not worthy to worry Peeker. So don't. You have been told.

PS - You're going to make us feel bad talking about your new luch table all the time.

[motherscratcher]

Why the hand wringing about Wannstache? Seems like he'd be a pretty good hire to me. HC and DC experience with some success. What's the problem with him?

[jb]

Why the hand wringing about Wannstache? Seems like he'd be a pretty good hire to me. HC and DC experience with some success. What's the problem with him?

Stink of failure. Coach fail at Chitown, Miami and Pitt despite lots of patience and some talent at all places. That was my knee jerk reaction. Then I remembered Dick LaBeau's Bengals. He does look like a solid choice. A knock might be he's been in college for a while, out of the NFL.

I'm thinking the pecking order goes:

jaraun, who was long-rumored but they are wating on Reid to fish or cut bait on making him DC

Yinzer

Billy Smith, who got a bad rap in some ways from a crappy O setting up his D after a really good 1st year.

Too bad we can't bring Butch back. :-)

In the end, I'm thinking it will be Smith.

Holmgren wanted young and impressionable. Looks like he's getting what he wanted.

[rbm0183]

I would have been happy with Wannstache, but now he turned the Browns down too. Headed to Buffalo to serve as LB coach/assistant HC.

[mattvan1]

Holmgren wanted young and impressionable. Looks like he's getting what he wanted.

Who is going to make the impression on the impressionables? The Walrus Myopians have told us time and time again the The Holmes will be hands off and let Shurmur run the show.

So far, he's running it straight into the ground..........

Grossly unfair, I admit. The guy has only been around for a week or so. Still, don't really like the way this is trending. When Dave efin Wannstedt turns you down to coach the Bills, you might have a slight credibility problem.

[jb]

When Dave efin Wannstedt turns you down to coach the Bills, you might have a slight credibility problem.

[/quote]


With ur apologies to Jeff Foxworthy i see... Now get back to your wiki and STFU.

I hope Mike IS hands on. The alterative may be amature hour. But Jaraun is still in play. We'll see.

[motherscratcher]

Holmgren wanted young and impressionable. Looks like he's getting what he wanted.

Who is going to make the impression on the impressionables? The Walrus Myopians have told us time and time again the The Holmes will be hands off and let Shurmur run the show.

So far, he's running it straight into the ground..........

Grossly unfair, I admit. The guy has only been around for a week or so. Still, don't really like the way this is trending. When Dave efin Wannstedt turns you down to coach the Bills, you might have a slight credibility problem.

I get your trepidation, but maybe we should let him make his hires and watch a few games before we declare that things are running or have been run into the ground.


Also, dude, we don't say "running it straight into the ground" anymore. We prefer "the goddamn plane has crashed into the mountain."

[mattvan1]

... Now get back to your wiki and STFU.

Kinda rude for a Friday, don'tcha think?

Honeymoon over already?

[pup]

Holmgren wanted young and impressionable. Looks like he's getting what he wanted.

Who is going to make the impression on the impressionables? The Walrus Myopians have told us time and time again the The Holmes will be hands off and let Shurmur run the show.

So far, he's running it straight into the ground..........

Grossly unfair, I admit. The guy has only been around for a week or so. Still, don't really like the way this is trending. When Dave efin Wannstedt turns you down to not be the defensive coordinator, but be the LBcoach the Bills, you might have a slight credibility problem.

Updated.

[mattvan1]

Holmgren wanted young and impressionable. Looks like he's getting what he wanted.

Who is going to make the impression on the impressionables? The Walrus Myopians have told us time and time again the The Holmes will be hands off and let Shurmur run the show.

So far, he's running it straight into the ground..........

Grossly unfair, I admit. The guy has only been around for a week or so. Still, don't really like the way this is trending. When Dave efin Wannstedt turns you down to coach the Bills, you might have a slight credibility problem.

I get your trepidation, but maybe we should let him make his hires and watch a few games before we declare that things are running or have been run into the ground.


Also, dude, we don't say "running it straight into the ground" anymore. We prefer "the goddamn plane has crashed into the mountain."

Boring. Any dolt on a message board can sit quitely through OTA's, TC, X-season and 4 games before proclaiming "we suck" "Shurmur is a fraud" and "we should have run Jerome Harrison more in the 4th quarter"

It takes a real whack job on the ledge to start bitching in January.

[jb]

... Now get back to your wiki and STFU.

Kinda rude for a Friday, don'tcha think?

Honeymoon over already?

Hey, I posted wiki links on these guys as a quick and easy way to give some background info for all. So let's not pretend anyone is an idiot when it comes to thinly veiled references. You wanna take obvious shots without ever coming out to play I'm probably going to return frank thoughts.

But it is nothing at all personal, just BS sports talk. I always respect Gary's dedication and prolific production, even if I don't always agree; and I do agree sometimes. I am not trying to start bullets flying within the family and disrupt Our Thing. Purely topical.

[motherscratcher]

^^^Yes, that is true. It is why we are here. I guess the "Nobody is allowed to talk about it until next October" approach would get kind of boring.


That being said, a wise man once told me that you are "whacked out of your gourd", or something to that effect.

[Gradysmanldy]

....if we wait until Cleveland.com starts reporting it, then we wont be able to say "I told you so" like SD with Daryl Clark.

[Triple-S]

MaryKayCabot

#Browns are expected to hire Dick Jauron soon as DC, league source told PD.#nfl

DICK!

[Gradysmanldy]

God, that would make me feel seriously better about some shit.

[peeker643]

God, that would make me feel seriously better about some shit.

Why?

Take an hour at lunch and look at the man's defenses.

Underwhelming.

He'd be fine as a DC with a Defensive-minded head coach. Hardworking, smart, loyal, etc. But as far as having full say on a defense and designing it/running it/etc? No thanks. He's a whole lot of 'blah' in my opinion. He may be able to deal with the transition from 3-4 to 4-3 initially but this does nothing for me if it's going down like that.

[jb]

God, that would make me feel seriously better about some shit.

Why?

Take an hour at lunch and look at the man's defenses.

Underwhelming.

I missed the part about us chosing between Bill Arnsparger, Dom Capers, and Dick Jaraun.

[jb]

MaryKayCabot

#Browns are expected to hire Dick Jauron soon as DC, league source told PD.#nfl

DICK!

Least we can't say "we don't have dick" on the defensive side of the ball now.

[mattvan1]

^^^Yes, that is true. It is why we are here. I guess the "Nobody is allowed to talk about it until next October" approach would get kind of boring.


That being said, a wise man once told me that you are "whacked out of your gourd", or something to that effect.

Bow/Hoodoo is many things..............

wise is not one

[peeker643]

God, that would make me feel seriously better about some shit.

Why?

Take an hour at lunch and look at the man's defenses.

Underwhelming.

I missed the part about us chosing between Bill Arnsparger, Dom Capers, and Dick Jaraun.

This may come as a shock JB, but there are guys you may not have heard of who would be better choices than a guy with a name we've heard and who's mediocre.

Maybe not. Maybe name recognition is good enough here.