For those of you scoring at home, that’s 7 wide receivers, 11 defensive backs, 9 linebackers, 4 running backs, 2 quarterbacks and TWO offensive linemen to fill 5 positions. That’s two out of 38 draft picks. That’s what has to change, not over investment in round one where you need to land your game changing difference-makers; guys who score touchdowns and guys who stop touchdowns.
Now that's what I am talking about. Very well explained point, and 110% agreed on from this corner.
Also, it is amazing how so many guys have struggled here on the line, yet they go elsewhere and become decent players (O-Hara, Fowler, Faine, Oben, and others. You damn right it is the coaching....and seeing how we have a Texans castoff as the o-line coach, how is this going to change anytime soon? I don't care if we maneuvered and were able to get Joe Thomas, Levi Brown, and two other top o-line prospects in this draft....if you don't have the coaching to get this guys to play up to their potential, then you are left with what we have seen the last 8 years here.
(In Jesse Jackson voice…) It is an outright lie that the Browns haven’t invested in the offensive line, and that this can only be rectified via drafting Joe Thomas. In year one we should have had a decent line. This is where Clark invested on offense. He plucked Dave Wohlabaugh from Parcells for starters, a solid if not physically dominant center who started for nearly a decade on Sunday, much like Hank Fraley. Next was Lomas Brown, a former top ten draft choice who is one of the very best left tackles not names Pace, Boselli or Ogden over the past 20 years. Brown had enough mileage in his tank to start for a Super Bowl team after leaving the Browns as a player disgruntled by an incompetent coach and staff. Orlando Brown was a good run blocker/below average pass blocker whose career ended in a manner freakish even for the bad news Browns. You combine that group with Jim Pyne and any warm body and there is no way they should have been that bad.
Butch invested heavily with Ross Verba and Tre Johnson, and had Wohlabaugh and Roman Oben as holdovers. If healthy and focused that is 80% of a good offensive line. Think about it: that’s three players good enough to start on super bowl teams. Verba was a former number one draft pick out of Iowa, good enough to start as a raw rookie at left tackle protecting Brett Favre’s blind side. He comes to Cleveland, gets divorced, and thinks he’s Hell Angel Sonny Barger and white thugs himself out of the NFL. Only in Cleveland. Roman Oben was a productive player for the Jets, dinged his knee and under-performed in Cleveland despite trying to tough it out. Butch gets impatient, fans call him soft, and the next year we see Roman starting on the Tampa Bay Super Bowl champions. Tre couldn’t get past chronic knee problems and a young guard / center named Shaun O’Hara is ignored and released. The very next year a young tackle is signed from the Rams named Ryan Tucker, who for the next several years is the best fake Browns lineman we’ve seen. Imagine an OL of Oben, Verba, Wollabaugh, O’Hara, and Tucker in front of a sane William Green and healthy, developed Couch. Again, on paper, this is hardly what we got.
Spot on again. Every offseason I hear people make mention to the Browns needing to pay attention to the o-line.....but every year it appears this is the one position they spend 80% of their time on in FA. It is the one position they have spent the most amount of time on - BY FAR - in improving every year in FA since they returned.
Again, as Mansfield noted, the problem is that they have limited it to just acquiring FA lineman. They need to start drafting guys in the middle parts of the draft and developing them. The problem is two-fold, as not only are they avoiding developing young potnential o-line prospects, but they also have had awful coaches teaching what young players they have picked up in the draft as well as the vets in FA.
Oh, and the third part of the trifecta could be that unbelievable string of bad luck: Orlando Brown, Verba and Lecharles all have had freak things physically or mentally happen to them that seems to only happen here.
Those of you Frye apologists who want to blame it all on the offensive line, save it. I am John McEnroe, and you’re the ref with bad eyesight.
mostly, Charlie is the Browns’ Casey Blake and he is to drives what Casey is to rallies. How many fumbles, slow reads, floaters, and noodle armed inaccurate tosses can you folks stand before the coffee is smelled and disturbs your slumber?
Perfect comp. Both are okay players, and would be nice in a backup role....but frustrating as hell to watch play everyday.
Charlie Frye is the NFL equivalent of 2AM beer goggles on a lonely Saturday night out. When you’re blowing better than a .15 and that creature who could pass for a Chris Farley Gap Girl all of a sudden looks like a viable option. Cinching your replica number nine jersey with a belt ain’t the answer, my peeps. Order another Jaeger bomb and get out the Brooke Burke Maxim issue when you get home instead.
Charlie Frye is a disaster as a starter. In four or five years, if he sits and watches and works very hard, perhaps he can play a little. But now? Watch him. His throws are later than Stockard Channing in Grease (that’s for you Brucie baby, from a former “buster” caller on WBBG in the day. Welcome back home! We luuuuuuuv yah Drennan!). He has a below average arm. He’s not as elusive as he thinks he is. What he is, is a third round long shot from a small football school who was rushed into service by a perfectly rotten organization who failed him. He’s the second coming of Stoney Case. He’s had what, 19 starts as an NFL quarterback, and he shows absolutely no improvement or hint of success actually playing the position of NFL quarterback. He does something when he runs around, but it’s not playing NFL quarterback. Put him out of our misery as a starter. Since he’s a homeboy fan, let him stay as a back up. He’s better than Dorsey.
Man, this says it best about Charlie. Anytime someone tries to tell me that Charlies is anything different, I'm just cutting and pasting this as my answer from now on.
Just a great piece....and rivals the "Thumb Up THey Ass" Steelers piece from a year ago.