Brownies V. Falcons

[Erie Warrior]

The Browns are going to get killed next week, they got a team full of broke dicks.

[Noodle]

Can we please go back to the receivers running past the 1st down marker before looking for a pass?

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Does Jake now have more pick 6s than TD passes?

[mshaeffer]

And this is why you don't play an oak tree at QB. If Seneca can't go next week, is it too early to bring in McCoy?

That said, the d-lineman made a hell of a play.

No Colt, I'd rather a knee jerk emergency signing of a healthy vet. Colt would get used like a herd of cattle, fenced in, branded, butchered and on fresh on your dinner plate in a day.

Then why even have him? Funny how other rookie QBs are actually playing and doing well. Why do we always do this? lets make him sit till he really does become worthless

[Noodle]

Hey Evan, cover the ball!

[Noodle]

That's about the 5th time I've heard "Delhomme almost intercepted."

[mshaeffer]

Jake is just another washed up vet that we thought would be the savior

[jfiling]

And this is why you don't play an oak tree at QB. If Seneca can't go next week, is it too early to bring in McCoy?

That said, the d-lineman made a hell of a play.

No Colt, I'd rather a knee jerk emergency signing of a healthy vet. Colt would get used like a herd of cattle, fenced in, branded, butchered and on fresh on your dinner plate in a day.

Then why even have him? Funny how other rookie QBs are actually playing and doing well. Why do we always do this? lets make him sit till he really does become worthless

We were told the plan before the season. I'd rather sign Garcia and ditch Delhomme, which would make gameplanning easier too, with two mobile QBs to work with.

[Noodle]

And this is why you don't play an oak tree at QB. If Seneca can't go next week, is it too early to bring in McCoy?

That said, the d-lineman made a hell of a play.

No Colt, I'd rather a knee jerk emergency signing of a healthy vet. Colt would get used like a herd of cattle, fenced in, branded, butchered and on fresh on your dinner plate in a day.

Then why even have him? Funny how other rookie QBs are actually playing and doing well. Why do we always do this? lets make him sit till he really does become worthless

We were told the plan before the season. I'd rather sign Garcia and ditch Delhomme, which would make gameplanning easier too, with two mobile QBs to work with.

Garcia worked so well the last time we went that route.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Jake is just another washed up vet that we thought would be the savior

Who ever thought he was the Saviour?

[mitch]

This might have been Joe Thomas's worst game as a pro.

Can't really blame Jake (too much) on that INT.

[Noodle]

An "FU" to the ref? How about an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty?

[NoWearMan]

what QB's did we sit till they became useless? i thought we played them into uselessness.....enlighten me, please

[mshaeffer]

FUCK YOU JAKE, FUCK YOU

[Noodle]

When a horse is this lame, they shoot it.

[jfiling]

And this is why you don't play an oak tree at QB. If Seneca can't go next week, is it too early to bring in McCoy?

That said, the d-lineman made a hell of a play.

No Colt, I'd rather a knee jerk emergency signing of a healthy vet. Colt would get used like a herd of cattle, fenced in, branded, butchered and on fresh on your dinner plate in a day.

Then why even have him? Funny how other rookie QBs are actually playing and doing well. Why do we always do this? lets make him sit till he really does become worthless

We were told the plan before the season. I'd rather sign Garcia and ditch Delhomme, which would make gameplanning easier too, with two mobile QBs to work with.

Garcia worked so well the last time we went that route.

Yeah, but this time we don't have Butch Davis trying to make a mobile QB into a dropback one.

And no, the Browns aren't getting Garcia. I'm just saying it would be better than having Delhomme.

[Noodle]

Well I think this game is the last one we'll see with Jake. Seneca is clearly the #1.

[FUDU]

This might have been Joe Thomas's worst game as a pro.

Can't really blame Jake (too much) on that INT.

I see your point, but Jake is a pro, a big dude, take the smack on the head and just pull the ball down. JT had a tough time today, didn't help either QB in the overall effort.

We are who we thought we were.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Well I think this game is the last one we'll see with Jake. Seneca is clearly the #1.

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

He shouldn't even have been in there, IMO

Then who? Wallace and his bum ankle? McCoy? Start Cribbs at QB for the rest of the game?

We were pretty much fucked the moment Seneca had to be helped off the field.

[mshaeffer]

He shouldn't even have been in there, IMO

Then who? Wallace and his bum ankle? McCoy? Start Cribbs at QB for the rest of the game?

We were pretty much fucked the moment Seneca had to be helped off the field.

ahhh, yeah, we DO have a 3rd string QB, dont we? Put McCoy in there.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

He shouldn't even have been in there, IMO

Then who? Wallace and his bum ankle? McCoy? Start Cribbs at QB for the rest of the game?

We were pretty much fucked the moment Seneca had to be helped off the field.

No, man. We should've signed Peyton Manning in the offseason.

[mshaeffer]

just another disappointment that didn't need to be.

Why do we even draft QBs? other QBs drafted right along with McCoy are playing, why not McCoy?
Just seems like a waste to me to keep going with "vets" that no one else wants. Makes no sense to me

[jfiling]

just another disappointment that didn't need to be.

Why do we even draft QBs? other QBs drafted right along with McCoy are playing, why not McCoy?
Just seems like a waste to me to keep going with "vets" that no one else wants. Makes no sense to me

Again, Holmgren said before the season McCoy wasn't playing this year unless it all went tits up. If you complained at that time, you were prescient. If you waited until now, you're hoping that something will happen that never will and are wasting your breath.

Sorta like me hoping Ryan quits going all out with the blitz (although he did tone it down nicely today).

[FUDU]

just another disappointment that didn't need to be.

Why do we even draft QBs? other QBs drafted right along with McCoy are playing, why not McCoy?
Just seems like a waste to me to keep going with "vets" that no one else wants. Makes no sense to me

Did you not see him play in the fake games?

McCoy needs to be felt up a little before he gets fucked.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

Funny how other rookie QBs are actually playing and doing well.

Bradford had a 72.3 rating before this week's drubbing by the Lions.
Claussen had a 59.6 going into this week.
Max Hall? Caleb Hanie? Kyle Orton's clipboard holder? Am I missing anyone else?

I know its frustrating to see Delhomme gimping along out there, but the truth is he's still a better option at this point than McCoy. It kinda sucks when both your top QBs are limping, but its a rough league out there and Don Strock is too busy coaching CFB to return our calls.

[mshaeffer]

just another disappointment that didn't need to be.

Why do we even draft QBs? other QBs drafted right along with McCoy are playing, why not McCoy?
Just seems like a waste to me to keep going with "vets" that no one else wants. Makes no sense to me

Again, Holmgren said before the season McCoy wasn't playing this year unless it all went tits up. If you complained at that time, you were prescient. If you waited until now, you're hoping that something will happen that never will and are wasting your breath.

Sorta like me hoping Ryan quits going all out with the blitz (although he did tone it down nicely today).

1-3 with the 2 QBs ahead of him hurt isnt "tits up"? I have complained about it since day 1. I dont get the point in drafting a QB to rebuild and then not using that QB.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

I have complained about it since day 1. I dont get the point in drafting a QB to rebuild and then not using that QB.

Uh, you do know there was a reason Colt was a third-round pick, right?

[mshaeffer]

I have complained about it since day 1. I dont get the point in drafting a QB to rebuild and then not using that QB.

Uh, you do know there was a reason Colt was a third-round pick, right?

again, then why draft him? Its obvious we could have used some CBs.

My whole point is Jake sucks, Senica doesnt really suck, but he is way past his prime. So really, we have no reason to believe either one of them will be "the man" so why not use the guy we drafted? We cant lose more than we are now and who knows, maybe he can play.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

again, then why draft him?

If you don't understand how the whole scouting, drafting, and maturing process works, I can't help you there, Phil.

[hermanfontenot]

Why do we even draft QBs? other QBs drafted right along with McCoy are playing, why not McCoy?

Three reasons:

1.) Spurgeon Wynn

2.) Luke McCown

3.) Charlie Frye

Three mid-to-late-round rookie quarterbacks that this franchise has thrown into the fire since 1999. All hot garbage.

I'd like to at least remain competitive myself. That means either Delhomme or Wallace.

[FUDU]

Exactly as Herm reminded us above. You really want to put a young QB into an ideal situation if at all possible, only the rare ones with obvious huge talent garner must justification for baptism by fire (See Bradford this year). Having a solid O, with solid weapons around a young QB takes some of that heat off of him. We do not have enough of those pieces just yet, so why bring Colt down with the ship when you don't have to.

Besides so far this year Wallace has not played poorly enough to discount him as a viable care taker of the position until we get the young franchise QB we so desperately desire and need.

[leadpipe]

Almost made it to the bye without the chant for McCoy.

I woulda laid good odds on week 2.

[FUDU]

I'm actually anxious to see what Wallace can do given the reigns to his own offense. He's not young in age but he has few miles on his body, is athletic and in good shape with a respectable arm (in terms of strength). I think he could grow into a solid game manager that can make a few plays a game to contribute to winning. If by chance Colt is not it, and we need the 2011 draft to get our guy I think Seneca might just be good enough to run the show for 30 games until we're ready to use _________.

[peeker643]

Real quick because I have to get The Wrap up and out:

1. Very clear that Delhomme is not ready to play. He's hurt. Now Wallace is too and that does NOT bode well at all. At least they have two weeks to get healthy.

2. Jerome Harrison blows horse balls

3. Eric Wright can suck a giant bag full of HIV and die for all I care. He is the Jerome Harrison of the defense.

4. Apologies to Gary Benz, but it ain't the little things killing this team. Unless not having an NFL-caliber QB is a little thing. Eff the snaps and the this and the that. You guys realize we are lamenting the freaking fact that Seneca Fucking Wallace was hurt and unable to play the 2nd half.

Seriously fellas. Chew on that and tell me it's a little thing.

5. If Peyton Hillis was a thoroughbred they would have taken him behind the barn and shot him. That was horrific to watch him in aginy on the sidelines. And Brian Daboll should be drawn. quartered and fed to Fallujahns for ever, ever , EVER running a toss play with a one-legged Hillis.

Jesus H on a popsicle stick Stevie. What a fucknut Daboll is.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

Real quick because I have to get The Wrap up and out:

1. Very clear that Delhomme is not ready to play. He's hurt. Now Wallace is too and that does NOT bode well at all. At least they have two weeks to get healthy.

2. Jerome Harrison blows horse balls

3. Eric Wright can suck a giant bag full of HIV and die for all I care. He is the Jerome Harrison of the defense.

4. Apologies to Gary Benz, but it ain't the little things killing this team. Unless not having an NFL-caliber QB is a little thing. Eff the snaps and the this and the that. You guys realize we are lamenting the freaking fact that Seneca Fucking Wallace was hurt and unable to play the 2nd half.

Seriously fellas. Chew on that and tell me it's a little thing.

5. If Peyton Hillis was a thoroughbred they would have taken him behind the barn and shot him. That was horrific to watch him in aginy on the sidelines. And Brian Daboll should be drawn. quartered and fed to Fallujahns for ever, ever , EVER running a toss play with a one-legged Hillis.

Jesus H on a popsicle stick Stevie. What a fucknut Daboll is.

Bag full of HIV?


The Wrap was great BTW. So angry. Awesome.

[Gradysmanldy]

Playing Colt Mccoy hurts the Browns NOW, hurts the development of the young receivers NOW, and hurts any potential Colt has to develop and grow into his potential. It serves no purpose and the fans here should be smarter than to call for that shit.

That being said, I hope Seneca is playable next year and Mangini doesn't get all John Wayne about starting Delhomme; the worst part about Jake was his body language which said "quit" before he ever snapped the ball.

[Triple-S]

I think playing colt mccoy NOW would be stupid..

..

However, I've said at the beginning of the season, and I'll say it now, playing him, say the last 2 to 4 games, it maybe worth seeing if he has anything in him prior to burning a draft pick on a QB.

Now, that said, the scenario has to be just right. If Baltimore and Pittsburgh are resting their starters for the playoffs, that would be a more favorable time to see how he preforms over both teams happening to need to win that sunday to clinch a spot in the playoffs.

[yogi]

That being said, I hope Seneca is playable next year and Mangini doesn't get all John Wayne about starting Delhomme; the worst part about Jake was his body language which said "quit" before he ever snapped the ball.

Agree. I saw loser and quit all over his face and we were winning 10-6 at the time.

I thought he was a leader.

I have mixed thoughts about bringing Colt in. I think if both QBs are hurt Colt should come in and have a limited gameplan built on his strenghts and run it. But thats the problem... we have the fucking joke as a OC that has proven over and over again, he has no clue about putting in a game plan built to the strenghts of what your QB can do.

[peeker643]

That being said, I hope Seneca is playable next year and Mangini doesn't get all John Wayne about starting Delhomme; the worst part about Jake was his body language which said "quit" before he ever snapped the ball.

Agree. I saw loser and quit all over his face and we were winning 10-6 at the time.

I thought he was a leader.

I have mixed thoughts about bringing Colt in. I think if both QBs are hurt Colt should come in and have a limited gameplan built on his strenghts and run it. But thats the problem... we have the fucking joke as a OC that has proven over and over again, he has no clue about putting in a game plan built to the strenghts of what your QB can do.

Yogi- he looked horrible and he looked ill-prepared. No excuses. But I have to wonder if he wasn't healthy enough to start whether he was healthy enough to do anything other than take a bullet like he did.


He's hurt. There's no question about it. He was hurt and we were the ones feeling the pain.

[leadpipe]

Quarterback is just like pretty much every positions out there for the Browns.

The dearth of talent out there is alarming.

They have a left tackle.

And then look at all the other "key" positions.

Look at the "playmakers" on both sides of the ball.

The Browns offense now consists of pounding an injured fullback into a box containing half the greater Cleveland area.

And I'm not bitching about anything else in this post. Plain and simple - they got no PLAYAS.

And, by the way, good holy Christ they are really bad at QB. And Colt wasn't only really bad in pre-season games, he was lost in camp. So, we'll enjoy what we're enjoying. I survived Doug Pedersen, I suppose I'll get thru this.

[DrPoove]

It is a sad statement that Seneca Wallace is the only hope at QB we have. Maybe Delhomme gets healthy and plays circa the first half of the TB game prior to injury but who the hell knows at this point. The problem is as much in his brain as his arm right now. Colt McCoy would get butt raped (with no grease) against the Inbred, Saints, Pats and Jets so SoulDawg might get his wish if the Browns sign the immortal Brett Ratliff off the Pats' Practice Squad. I just threw up in my mouth typing that paragraph.

That plus lack of depth is brutal. You lose a Hillis, Thomas has a bad game and Cribbs has no impact on ST (an alarming 2010 trend) and you get a giant poop sandwich. Some of Harrison's issues might be in his brain, too. And why is James Davis inactive when Harrison and Hilis are both on the Injury Report for the week? JFC.

Defensive secondary is young and is going to get abused for a while (especially with the Eric Wright Factor) but there's hope with Ward and Haden. Fujita is starting to make some plays and Roth is nasty and at least the D is keeping us in games, but once again, you lose some of those guys to injury and its Shit Show City.

Phil Dawson, still the best Brown since 1999. Sad but ture.

[jb]

Real quick because I have to get The Wrap up and out:

1. Very clear that Delhomme is not ready to play. He's hurt.

Can not concur.

He's done. More mental than physical.

Needs to quit now.

[bac5665]

Poove, I couldn't agree more.

We got no depth. Injuries come and it gets ugly fast. But that said, give me another year or two of Holmgren/Heckert running the draft and that will change fast.

I see hope for this team. We have on of the hardest schedules in football and we're banged up. We're young and learning to win. Sure our record sucks, but anyone who actually watches the games knows we're miles ahead of where we were last year.

[jb]

Quarterback is just like pretty much every positions out there for the Browns.

The dearth of talent out there is alarming.

They have a left tackle.

And then look at all the other "key" positions.

Look at the "playmakers" on both sides of the ball.

The Browns offense now consists of pounding an injured fullback into a box containing half the greater Cleveland area.

And I'm not bitching about anything else in this post. Plain and simple - they got no PLAYAS.

Trauma ward can play.

Joe gets better every week.

Peeker's Cabbage Patch Kid can run the ball well in a complimentary / backup role.

We have the best FB in te league.

Fujita is getting comfortable and playing well now.

I remember the 2000 OL, and this ain't it.

TE's are solid.

Etc.

We need ILB's.

We need WR's.

We need hardesty to get and stay healthy.

We need DL.

We need a FS.

And yes, we sure as shit need a QB.

But that list is far shorter than it was just 12 months ago.

Gezzis. How many of us all agreed that we'd play much better, be in every game, but lose them by a close margin this season and while we'd be bettter the rewards wouldn't be forethcoming yet.

And so it is. And yet we react with disappointment.

No comprende. It's a riddle.

[peeker643]

Real quick because I have to get The Wrap up and out:

1. Very clear that Delhomme is not ready to play. He's hurt.

Can not concur.

He's done. More mental than physical.

Needs to quit now.

Nobody's quitting with $12million on the table guaranteed. And while it may very well be mental you don't limp on and off the field when you're healthy. He's effed up physically as well as mentally.


He came in yesterday and body language alone told you he didn't think he should be there.

As to your 'disappointed' post, well, no shit dude. Losing is disappointing. You're not going to have 65,000 at a game or those watching at home clapping for the improvement in the TE position or the potential of the young DBs unless it actually manifests itself in the game.

We know they're better today than they were a year ago. Monday thorough Saturday we can talk about that. But on Sundays they actually play and keep score.

[jb]

Real quick because I have to get The Wrap up and out:

1. Very clear that Delhomme is not ready to play. He's hurt.

Can not concur.

He's done. More mental than physical.

Needs to quit now.

Nobody's quitting with $12million on the table guaranteed. And while it may very well be mental you don't limp on and off the field when you're healthy. He's effed up physically as well as mentally.

He came in yesterday and body language alone told you he didn't think he should be there.

As to your 'disappointed' post, well, no shit dude. Losing is disappointing. You're not going to have 65,000 at a game or those watching at home clapping for the improvement in the TE position or the potential of the young DBs unless it actually manifests itself in the game.

We know they're better today than they were a year ago. Monday thorough Saturday we can talk about that. But on Sundays they actually play and keep score.

I think it's pretty funny that some poeple think going to Browns game for the drunk-off-your-ass party is stupid, but going expecting this teamn to win games isn't. That's in general BMP, not at you. 65 K will be there because 65K were there in 2004, 2005, 2009, etc....

It's the Browns, not the Indians and those other guys we both agree are irrelevant and should just move.

Now, aimed at you...

Jake wasn't hurt physically in a manner that hurt his game. He's quit. I think Grady's put it best when he said his body language indicates he's done. He's stealing a paycheck.

When it comes to body language, Jake : quit : : Frye : confused

Never wanted a player to get hurt but if he brings his weak assed beat seal pup tude in against the Inbred, there might be a first for me. Because he's going to play in a manner that will embarrass you so bad as a fan it'll make you hang your head and say "damn, can we get DA back?"

He needs to get his mind right or quit playing football. Given that this season is just a continuation of his last "body of work", to expect diiferent is as stupid as expecting W's on Sunday with this group.

And make no mistake, Jake Delhomme is proof that Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert can be just as retarded as Pete garcia and Phil savage on occasion. The whole "body of work" take is really, really dumb.

[FUDU]

Agree 100%, with this team expect partly sunny with a 75% chance of rain for 2010.

[GodHatesClevelandSport]

Delhomme now has a high and low ankle sprain.

How ridiculous to say a guy who is gutting it out has quit on his team and is only trying to collect a paycheck. He hurt himself even more to try and help out.

He might have been finished as a QB before this season, but it wasn't because he has quit.

[peeker643]

I think it's pretty funny that some poeple think going to Browns game for the drunk-off-your-ass party is stupid, but going expecting this teamn to win games isn't. That's in general BMP, not at you. 65 K will be there because 65K were there in 2004, 2005, 2009, etc....

You're missing me- I'm saying for 3 hours of every NFL Sunday your rational thought is suspended (whether due to alcohol or fanaticism or both) and it's a win/lose deal, not a looking for the forest through the trees period of time deal.

Now, aimed at you...

Jake wasn't hurt physically in a manner that hurt his game. He's quit. I think Grady's put it best when he said his body language indicates he's done. He's stealing a paycheck.

He may be done. Good chance he was before he got here. But he's hurt. You could see it hen he was on the sideline and you could see it on the field. He's effing hurt. Doesn't mean his body language didn't say "I'm screwed'. It did. But not because he's suddenly, after 13 years in the league, 180 degrees different than what his reputation indicates. I agree with GHCS: that's a shitty thing to say about someone when you have zero idea just how banged up he is.

When it comes to body language, Jake : quit : : Frye : confused

Never wanted a player to get hurt but if he brings his weak assed beat seal pup tude in against the Inbred, there might be a first for me. Because he's going to play in a manner that will embarrass you so bad as a fan it'll make you hang your head and say "damn, can we get DA back?"

Fine. He was horseshit when they signed the deal. Bad deal. You reap what you sow.Still doesn't change a bad take on a guy whose hurt. You're as wrong about that as you were in the whole Wolfley eval. I still love ya though.