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by mattvan1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:53 am
by rebelwithoutaclue » Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:04 pm
Mr. Bill says "We can win with with a bunch of slap dicks on O, 'cause I'm so much smarter than everyone else" while the Buffalo FO takes lessons from the Marlins and begins the fire sale early.
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:08 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:09 pm
by rebelwithoutaclue » Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:18 pm
And excuse me if I don't find the thought of the Pats having an extra 3rd and 4th rounder scary. Pats are scary because of their vets, not who they've drafted lately. Big whoop.
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:21 pm
by peeker643 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:31 pm
by SoulDawg74 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:40 pm
mattvan1 wrote:Since when did the NFL start to resemble MLB?http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5653186http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5651832Mr. Bill says "We can win with with a bunch of slap dicks on O, 'cause I'm so much smarter than everyone else" while the Buffalo FO takes lessons from the Marlins and begins the fire sale early.Meanwhile, SoulDawg weeps at the thought of Vick, Moss, and Lynch all running out of the tunnel at CBS. So do I, now that I think about it. If only............
by mattvan1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:21 pm
peeker643 wrote:You guys slay me.I'd give one of each of your nuts to have the record and the titles that Belichick will have from 2000 to 2020.He's rebuilt that team while winning the last three seasons and already has three rings jingling in his pocket.Guy wins 10 games in rebuilding years.He's quite a moron.
by Triple-S » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:31 pm
Hikohadon wrote:Fire sale in Buffalo?Please, Mr. Heckert, give them a call and see what they want for Lee Evans.
Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.
by Fire Marshall Bill » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:35 pm
by Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:38 pm
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Or maybe he doesn't think he can make it all the way this year, as currently constructed, so he's preparing for next year, just like with the Seymour trade. Patriots currently have 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds next year. Scary.
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:01 pm
by peeker643 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:07 pm
GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:Moss has nine catches for the Patriots. The Patriots have scored the most points in the league. Perhaps he's lost something. Belichick learned from cutting Kosar. Don't way til the guy's got diminished skills before unloading him. Sell high. The guy replacing Moss has more catches than Moss this season. Maybe Belichick knows what he's got.
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:31 pm
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:33 pm
by peeker643 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:52 pm
aoxo1 wrote:re: Moss is done.Are they more likely to win the SB this year with or without him?How much attention does he draw from the defense? Who is their home run threat now?FTR, it's not just this trade that I would take issue with as a Pats fan, maybe this one is good and makes sense... it's the accumulated trades of veterans and rolling over of draft picks. Maybe that 3rd rounder really will be the key to winning a SB... in 5 years. Somehow I doubt it.
by Ziner » Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:54 pm
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:26 pm
aoxo1 wrote:Brady is going to be a SB caliber QB for the next 5 or 6 years? He's 33. Sure, John Elway won at 38 when he had Terrelle Davis. Here's the list of QBs that have won after hitting 32:1) Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - Super Bowl I (33) and Super Bowl II (34).2) Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - Super Bowl IV (34).3) John Unitas, Baltimore Colts - Super Bowl V (37). Earl Morrall finished the game, coming in after Unitas' injury. He was 36.4) Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Super Bowl XII (35).5) Jim Plunkett, Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders - Super Bowl XV (33) and Super Bowl XVIII (36).6) Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - Super Bowl XVII (33).7) Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Super Bowl XXIV (33).8) Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - Super Bowl XXIX (33).9) John Elway, Denver Broncos - Super Bowl XXXII (37) and Super Bowl XXXIII (38). That's 3 titles from 2 QBs in the last 20 years. Only 6 SBs won by guys over 33. Tom Brady is 33.Brady is going to be a winning QB, the Pats will win games, but that is different from a SB caliber QB.Obviously I would make the same trade, Peek. But at some point they need to be playing to win those SBs now, not trading away key players for the future. Tom Brady comes along once every 50 years, if that, for a franchise.Think the Pats are happy winning 11 and getting bounced in the 2nd round?
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:39 pm
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:43 pm
Privately, though, Payton's message was different.On the Saturday before the game, he met with the players and focused his message on the Vikings' three-time MVP quarterback."When you get older in life, you tend to get very careful, and a little more fearful," Payton said, according to players and staffers who were there. "You start thinking about your own mortality. If it rains outside you might not go to the store, especially at night. You figure you'll just wait it out. You might have somewhere to go and you tell yourself I don't want to go there. You don't want to get in a wreck."If you keep hitting him (on Sunday) he'll make a mistake. If we keep putting pressure on him (Sunday night) he'll start being careful, he'll start doing anything he can to avoid getting hit and he'll make a mistake. I promise you, if we hit him for four quarters, he'll turn into that old man who's scared of the rain."
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:44 pm
After the Saints scored to take a 21-14 lead in the third quarter, Payton sought out Oliver amid the crowd on the sideline. "This guy's gonna make a mistake now," Payton said to a clearly confused Oliver in video footage from NFL Films. "He's too old."
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:49 pm
by GodHatesClevelandSport » Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:01 pm
aoxo1 wrote:Yes, Brett Favre did not make the Super Bowl in part because he is old.
by leadpipe » Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:56 pm
aoxo1 wrote:Yes, Brett Favre did not make the Super Bowl in part because he is old. Why do you think the Saints were so focused on hitting the crap out of him and turning him into a duck and chuck guy by the 4th quarter? Just go look at what Sean Payton told his team before and during that game. I'm sure you can come up with other reasons for guys not winning a SB, but this is certainly one of them.Great QBs, also SB caliber QBs, tend to have long careers. And for the ones that don't, it's generally because they are physically incapable of continuing to play, so they count for not being capable of winning SBs into their mid-late 30s as well. You cannot consider what the overall percentage of QBs over 33 is, because a lot of them are retired because they got old. You really think getting old doesn't have an effect on a quarterback? Well then why the hell would they ever retire? Moronic.PEEKER643 (?): We'll have to revisit this in 2016 and count up the titles Brady has won. I'm not sure why the bar is MORE productive, or even AS productive as in their prime. Surely a lot of the guys they've said goodbye to would have been valuable to have, and may have made the difference between a 2nd round exit and a berth in the title game or SB. And how about all those picks they keep rolling into the future? They're better off with a rookie in 2012 than they are in 2010, when they're trying to win titles right now?
by FUDU » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:08 pm
by gameface » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:49 pm
by Hikohadon » Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:03 pm
by motherscratcher » Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:08 pm
by aoxo1 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:31 pm
GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:aoxo1 wrote:Yes, Brett Favre did not make the Super Bowl in part because he is old.What a reach. The guy throws an incomplete pass on that last play, his team has a shot at making the Super Bowl on a FG. But because he's old, that didn't happen.I am sure Sean Payton would not try to hit a younger QB. That's how they go after all of them.Of course, he was making that same type of throw 15 years earlier, but so what? He wasn't over 33 then!
by peeker643 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:59 pm
by leadpipe » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:27 pm
gameface wrote:You guys are all wrong, and you don't know Belichick at all.Moss was traded because he quit blocking.
by pup » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:29 pm
aoxo1 wrote:GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:aoxo1 wrote:Yes, Brett Favre did not make the Super Bowl in part because he is old.What a reach. The guy throws an incomplete pass on that last play, his team has a shot at making the Super Bowl on a FG. But because he's old, that didn't happen.I am sure Sean Payton would not try to hit a younger QB. That's how they go after all of them.Of course, he was making that same type of throw 15 years earlier, but so what? He wasn't over 33 then!You're right, Sean Payton doesn't know what the hell he was talking about.But go ahead and believe that quarterbacks don't decline as they age. Shit, bring back Bernie.
by Loo » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:16 pm
Triple-S wrote:Hikohadon wrote:Fire sale in Buffalo?Please, Mr. Heckert, give them a call and see what they want for Lee Evans.+OObring him home.Though the one interesting angle is that, by the time draft time rolls along, one QB will be eliminated from us being able to draft him next year.
by daddywags » Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:18 am
by gameface » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:08 am
leadpipe wrote:gameface wrote:You guys are all wrong, and you don't know Belichick at all.Moss was traded because he quit blocking.Add your name to the wrong list, because to quit blocking is to assume he blocked this year at all.
by JCoz » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:17 pm
Motherscratcher wrote:It's too bad the Browns couldn't have landed Moss. We need a receiver. It's week 5 now. If we traded for him he could have contributed the last 7-8 weeks this season...you know, after he distinguished himself on special teams.
by aoxo1 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:20 pm
pup wrote:Christ. Taking what a football coach drives into his team's collective head before a big game as gospel is pretty idiotic. Those guys get to where they are by knowing the angle to work their team and driving it home.Go listen in to what Tress is telling the Buckeyes about the vaunted Hoosier Defense this week. He is busy convincing them those guys are the Monsters of the Midway.
peeker643 wrote:No one said guys don't decline as they get older. I said I think he has many years left. I stand by it. If he actually wants to stay there and o it.You know who else might decline as they age? Receivers 6 months older than Tom Brady with 9 catches in four games. Again, Troy Brown, Deion Branch, etc. They've won without a deep threat.Perhaps with all the titles Moss helped them win they owed him more.
by peeker643 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:39 pm
by motherscratcher » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:50 pm
by peeker643 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:07 pm
Motherscratcher wrote:Garfield Heights Cunilingus Society?
by Ziner » Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:14 pm
peeker643 wrote:Motherscratcher wrote:Garfield Heights Cunilingus Society?It was on the tip of my tongue but I wasn't quite sure.
by peeker643 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:27 pm
Ziner wrote:peeker643 wrote:Motherscratcher wrote:Garfield Heights Cunilingus Society?It was on the tip of my tongue but I wasn't quite sure.Pun intended I hope.
by Hikohadon » Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:05 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:51 pm
by metalhead9x9 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:50 pm
by fairvis » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:40 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm not real sure what this thread is about but I don't think the "Garfield Heights Cunnilingus Society" exists.
by Ziner » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:24 pm
by bac5665 » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:27 pm
by Ziner » Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:30 pm
bac5665 wrote:Is there a reason we shouldn't put a claim in for him?A Moss who doesn't give a shit is still miles better than Robo.
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