Locker, Luck, or Mallet? Or Pryor?

[swerb]

Be real fun talking about this for the next 8 months.

Put me in the Mallet camp early.

Two most winnable games on the schedule pissed away. Four wins max this season.

[hermanfontenot]

Better question: is this team going to score a point in the second half all season?

[Triple-S]

Locker.

like the kid's build, reminds me of Therapist over in Pitt.

would do great in december during those cleveland winters.

hopefully we're able to get him an actual wide reciever and someone to run the ball without coughing it up/

[hermanfontenot]

Locker.

Yeah, that 4-of-20 masterpiece really sold me.

[bac5665]

I'll take Luck. Not sure why, mostly no confidence in the other two.

But does it matter? Does anyone actually think that the Browns can draft a first round QB and not be a bust? When was the last QB we drafted to have a winning record in starts for the Browns? (I'm actually asking, cause I have no freaking clue.)

[pup]

Does it matter?

[hermanfontenot]

Does it matter?

Probably not.

[swerb]

Does it matter?

It really doesn't. That's the saddest (funniest?) part.

I hate this team. I hate that I still care. I hate Sundays.

[motherscratcher]

Whoever it is, we better have our doctors make sure he doesn't have New York essence before we draft him.

Put me tentatively in the Mallet camp, for no reason other than UW, under Locker, is the Cleveland Browns of college football.

Edit: Actually, I change my mind. Mallet used to go to scUM so obviously we couldn't root for him here. I'll go with Luck.

[hermanfontenot]

I'll take Luck. I like the pedigree, with him being the son of an NFL quarterback.

I can't wait till whoever we draft at QB throws his first pass late into the flat in a Browns uniform. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy thinking about it.

[peeker643]

Which one is the biggest dick? The one you'd like to see fail or maybe die of some dread disease or a cocaine overdose two months after being selected. Choose carefully because the one the Browns take is fucking doomed one way or the other. The only question is to whether it's his career or his life.

[jfiling]

I'll take Luck. Not sure why, mostly no confidence in the other two.

But does it matter? Does anyone actually think that the Browns can draft a first round QB and not be a bust? When was the last QB we drafted to have a winning record in starts for the Browns? (I'm actually asking, cause I have no freaking clue.)

1985 Supplemental Draft, we took the QB from the University of Miami.

[Loo]

I don't know much about how accurate Mallet is, but with how hard he can throw and how quick his release is, put me in his camp for now.

I'm not and never have been sold on Locker. Seems like he's already had hype and no matter what the results, he gets praise for whatever reason.

[motherscratcher]

I'll take Luck. Not sure why, mostly no confidence in the other two.

But does it matter? Does anyone actually think that the Browns can draft a first round QB and not be a bust? When was the last QB we drafted to have a winning record in starts for the Browns? (I'm actually asking, cause I have no freaking clue.)

1985 Supplemental Draft, we took the QB from the University of Miami.

That's a quarter century if you're counting.

A quarter century.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

I'll take Luck. Not sure why, mostly no confidence in the other two.

But does it matter? Does anyone actually think that the Browns can draft a first round QB and not be a bust? When was the last QB we drafted to have a winning record in starts for the Browns? (I'm actually asking, cause I have no freaking clue.)

1985 Supplemental Draft, we took the QB from the University of Miami.

That's a quarter century if you're counting.

A quarter century.

Ugh......

You and your "facts".

[hermanfontenot]

Technically it's been 22 years, not counting the three we weren't in the league.

I know, I know, makes a big difference.

[jfiling]

I'll take Luck. Not sure why, mostly no confidence in the other two.

But does it matter? Does anyone actually think that the Browns can draft a first round QB and not be a bust? When was the last QB we drafted to have a winning record in starts for the Browns? (I'm actually asking, cause I have no freaking clue.)

1985 Supplemental Draft, we took the QB from the University of Miami.

That's a quarter century if you're counting.

A quarter century.

Yep. Different owner, different management, etc. I only answered because he had "no freaking clue". I figured most of us knew the answer was Bernie.

[bac5665]

I would have guessed Bernie, but yeah, it would have been a shot in the dark.

To be fair, I hadn't been born yet.

[pup]

If you turned Luck's brain, Locker's athleticism and Mallet's arm into some sort of uberQB...we would turn him into the largest pile of shit to ever don a uniform.

[Erie Warrior]

If you turned Luck's brain, Locker's athleticism and Mallet's arm into some sort of uberQB...we would turn him into the largest pile of shit to ever don a uniform.

[FUDU]

Lerner needs to sell. It seems like we finally got our "football guy" in Holmgren but with the continuance of perpetual Cleveland Browns football we've come to know it has to make one ask if Holmgren didn't see this opportunity as an easy target to get what he wants for his football desires, b/c Lerner is such a schmuck.

The owner keeps making money, as does the FO and the coaches and players, yet we fans keep getting fucked.

Seriously instead of making new threads shouldn't we just bump the old ones from previous seasons in which we have said all these same things over and over for years...

[danwismar]

It's not like it's something in the water guys. It's bad management, and it only seems like it lasts forever.

I'll take Luck. Very impressed with him last night. Very fast and athletic...big arm.

Besides, his dad's from Cleveland, so he might even be favorably disposed to play here?? Just kidding.

[hermanfontenot]

Lerner needs to sell.

But he's not going to sell. So there's no sense in talking about it, really.

At least there aren't any yahoos on this forum who think Lerner is a "great owner" because he "spends money."

[gerardschneiderjr]

Anyone watching football knows this conversation is now down to Luck or Mallet. Locker has showed no leadership ability. I would lean towards Mallet at this point, but I say they are neck and neck. Luck has the luxury of being coached by Harbaugh who played the quarterback in the NFL.

[tired]

Browns need Luck.

[General]

Does it matter?

It really doesn't. That's the saddest (funniest?) part.

I hate this team. I hate that I still care. I hate Sundays.

I don't even "post-up" at Hooters to watch the games anymore. I still like Sundays but now for beach time, the endless "festivals" (drink fests) and I am off on Monday. My fervent wish aside from wanting to win the Powerball is that "the Browns" were never reincarnated.

[jb]

I think we cn get a Browns song outta this. Much like the 12 Days of A Cleveland Browns Christmas or Bernie, Bernie but for the 21st century.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkCkrSMxHSU&feature=related

[jb]

Locker.

Yeah, that 4-of-20 masterpiece really sold me.

+ 1.

mallet is looking the best as an NFL projection as of now.

[jb]

Does it matter?

It really doesn't. That's the saddest (funniest?) part.

I hate this team. I hate that I still care. I hate Sundays.

epic

[SoulDawg74]

Be real fun talking about this for the next 8 months.

Put me in the Mallet camp early.

Two most winnable games on the schedule pissed away. Four wins max this season.

SD:

We're starring down an 0-7 start before the bye , destined to get worse after the break .

We need not wait to next year to address this position , since Colt McCoy isn't even a spungable prospect still in the project stage , Nate Davis should be signed off the 49 er practice squad so the inevetible switch to the WCO which will take place upon mangy's dismissal can begin to transistion.

Mallet is not an immovable object butt he is immobile which precludes him from being ideal for a future signing here , note how Kolbs lead wheels have reduced him to a joke in comparison to Vick , and he's positively a speed demon compared to Mallet.

Locker has accuracy issues and as such will give ya the chills in critical situations the way Derek Anderson could be counted on to screw up just when you need him.

Luck is thee most NFL ready QB in the draft has ideal size the smarts and the physicality to sign tomorrow and play Sunday .

Pryor is a freak of nature still learning to play the position, with Randall Cunningham type potential to be great with Vick type talents of superb speed and a cannon for an arm, potentially and I hate to use that word , butt potentially capable of moving the QB position into a realm of athleticism and playmaking which would make us the envy of the league .

We should have signed Vick for absolutely nothing and reclaimed him the way Philly did , moreover with Freemans emergence its now become clear the Browns not only blew the Sanchize selection but a second starting quality QB who could have been had when we traded down .

20/20 hindsight is too late and the lesson must be learned no team so beret of leadership and skill at thee most critical position in football shouldn't be willing to upgrade that position by any means necessary whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Sign Nate Davis which builds your depth and adds another WCO skill set , and then bring Wallace McCoy and Davis to camp to battle our new #1 pick keeping Jake as the old sage that probably doesn't make the cut September 2011 .

That is if we even have a season 2011.


SoulDawg

[jb]

SD, I ythink one things we potentially agree on is the need to draft a bona fide long-term QB solution rather than put any stock in McCoy. If he makes it and beats out franchise guy, so be it.

But if we are gonna suck so bad we wallow in at 2 or 3 wins, as looks likely, we have to draft a QB in our situation, don't we?

Let the FO determine who. In the words of the late Freddie Prinz SR, "No my job, mang."

[jb]

It's not like it's something in the water guys. It's bad management, and it only seems like it lasts forever.

I'll take Luck. Very impressed with him last night. Very fast and athletic...big arm.

Besides, his dad's from Cleveland, so he might even be favorably disposed to play here?? Just kidding.

In all seriousness, AFAIK, most of the extended family is still here. All Gesu kids. Only reason they were down south was Ollie's gig with the Oilers and then NFLE. Dad is now back north as AD of WVU cleaning up for DickRod and Huggins.





http://www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?story=16730&cat=exclusives

[SoulDawg74]

SD, I ythink one things we potentially agree on is the need to draft a bona fide long-term QB solution rather than put any stock in McCoy. If he makes it and beats out franchise guy, so be it.

But if we are gonna suck so bad we wallow in at 2 or 3 wins, as looks likely, we have to draft a QB in our situation, don't we?

Let the FO determine who. In the words of the late Freddie Prinz SR, "No my job, mang."

SD:

Our opinions will effect the next draft just as much as the last draft , which is about the .000019 percent a mosquito slows down a speeding car as it squashes against the windshield , still doesn't mean we ain't correct.

The Browns have blown this pick so many times , that the law of averages is such they may actually get this next pick right inspite of themselves.

Its early yet , and the three leading candidates of this thread now , maybe yesterdays news come the end of this season .

Depth in this draft is such that as many as 5 QB's could be worthy of the first round depending on who declares as well as 6 defensive lineman another area of great need , but nowhere near the critical call of QB.

SoulDawg

[JCoz]

I'm currently seeing Lockers NFL career trajectory in lock step with McNown.

[motherscratcher]

I'm currently seeing Lockers NFL career trajectory in lock step with McNown.

Why McNown? He was kind of a shrimp, wasn't he. Locker is big and athletic. Not that that makes him a sure thing, obviously. And McNown had a great college career. Don't see why you're comparing the two.

Unless you mean that Locker will start banging Ryan Mallet's Playboy girlfriend.

[JCoz]

I'm currently seeing Lockers NFL career trajectory in lock step with McNown.

Why McNown? He was kind of a shrimp, wasn't he. Locker is big and athletic. Not that that makes him a sure thing, obviously. And McNown had a great college career. Don't see why your comparing the two.

Unless you mean that Locker will start banging Ryan Mallet's Playboy girlfriend.

NFL Career trajectory, not styles or player breakdowns, or strengths and weaknesses.

I just think he's going to be drafted high, excite early and plunge into the abyss and be out of the league in a couple years.

I don't see anything remotely resembling an NFL QB yet.

[motherscratcher]

I'm currently seeing Lockers NFL career trajectory in lock step with McNown.

Why McNown? He was kind of a shrimp, wasn't he. Locker is big and athletic. Not that that makes him a sure thing, obviously. And McNown had a great college career. Don't see why you're comparing the two.

Unless you mean that Locker will start banging Ryan Mallet's Playboy girlfriend.

NFL Career trajectory, not styles or player breakdowns, or strengths and weaknesses.

Gotcha. I hope not, for his sake.

[Erie Warrior]

Isn't Mallet running a BS spread offense for Petrino? No thanks to that situation. There's a couple of DL's from UNC and Iowa I'd like to see. Trade down. Hell, I'd rather have Ingram/ Murray/ Hunter than one of those QB's right now.

[JCoz]

Isn't Mallet running a BS spread offense for Petrino? No thanks to that situation. There's a couple of DL's from UNC and Iowa I'd like to see. Trade down. Hell, I'd rather have Ingram/ Murray/ Hunter than one of those QB's right now.

I don't care what Mallett is running, he looked sharp as a frosh at Michigan, I think it would be a HUGE mistake to discount him for the offense he is running.

I like both Mallett and Luck as worthy top ten picks at QB.

I'd have an awfully tough time justifying passing up a franchise QB for a RB.

[Erie Warrior]

I don't care what Mallett is running, he looked sharp as a frosh at Michigan, I think it would be a HUGE mistake to discount him for the offense he is running.

Perhaps my 1st round pick pedestal is too high. My point is the difference between the CFB spread and a Pro offense is immense. On a team that could go 0-fer, you can't miss a single pick in the first 2 rounds. When you do, the Browns look like the Browns.

We'll have plenty of time to kick each other's dicks in before draft time, I'm just saying right now, I'm taking the guy who will undoubtably help me instantly.

To be fair, I haven't seen much of any of them. Which right now qualifies me as Director of College Personnel in Berea.

[aoxo1]

It doesn't matter how good the DE is that you draft, if your QB sucks, even Reggie White can't help you that much.

[peeker643]

It doesn't matter how good the DE is that you draft, if your QB sucks, even Reggie White can't help you that much.

This is true. But you better not draft Dan Fucking McGwire either.

And I'll say this: Terrelle Pryor ain't nowhere near ready for the NFL game, but if I'm going to take a QB who's 6'6" tall it's going to be a guy that can move like pryor as opposed to like Mallett. Let me know of all the 6'6" QBs who are in the HoF or have played in a Pro Bowl too.


No thanks on Mallett. I can't afford to hope the he's the first to do either with the Browns.

It's Luck or another position. Locker can't hit the ground if he drops the ball.

[JCoz]

It doesn't matter how good the DE is that you draft, if your QB sucks, even Reggie White can't help you that much.

This is true. But you better not draft Dan Fucking McGwire either.

And I'll say this: Terrelle Pryor ain't nowhere near ready for the NFL game, but if I'm going to take a QB who's 6'6" tall it's going to be a guy that can move like pryor as opposed to like Mallett. Let me know of all the 6'6" QBs who are in the HoF or have played in a Pro Bowl too.


No thanks on Mallett. I can't afford to hope the he's the first to do either with the Browns.

It's Luck or another position. Locker can't hit the ground if he drops the ball.

Isn't that kind of Arbitrary?

I mean players are just bigger now. Brady, Manning(s), Palmer, Ryan, Rivers, Aikman, Bledsoe, Hasselback, Marino, all these guys are at least 6-4" and half are 6-5"....

Is there some physiological cut-off at 6-5"?

[skatingtripods]

Cast my vote for Mallett. He makes all the throws, plays, and has success, against the best competition, and has the best arm. He might not have great mobility, but he has a quick release and good mechanics.

Either way, no matter which of the three, or none of three, they need someone to throw to.

BTW, my draft vote is already for the top ILB on the board. But if we go QB, Mallett's my pick.

I wouldn't be upset with Luck. I would be upset with Locker.

[peeker643]

It doesn't matter how good the DE is that you draft, if your QB sucks, even Reggie White can't help you that much.

This is true. But you better not draft Dan Fucking McGwire either.

And I'll say this: Terrelle Pryor ain't nowhere near ready for the NFL game, but if I'm going to take a QB who's 6'6" tall it's going to be a guy that can move like pryor as opposed to like Mallett. Let me know of all the 6'6" QBs who are in the HoF or have played in a Pro Bowl too.


No thanks on Mallett. I can't afford to hope the he's the first to do either with the Browns.

It's Luck or another position. Locker can't hit the ground if he drops the ball.

Isn't that kind of Arbitrary?

I mean players are just bigger now. Brady, Manning(s), Palmer, Ryan, Rivers, Aikman, Bledsoe, Hasselback, Marino, all these guys are at least 6-4" and half are 6-5"....

Is there some physiological cut-off at 6-5"?

No. It's quite simple and quite clear as written if you read it in its entirety. If you're going to draft someone that big give me the guy who can move and not Herman Munster with a Howitzer.

Or, give me the guy who's 6'4" and has been praised for his footwork, arm and intelligence


Mallet's footwork and foot speed and mobility have always been his scarlet letter.

If I'm drafting in the top 5 I don't want a scarlet letter QB.

At 15 or 25? Fine.

[JCoz]

It doesn't matter how good the DE is that you draft, if your QB sucks, even Reggie White can't help you that much.

This is true. But you better not draft Dan Fucking McGwire either.

And I'll say this: Terrelle Pryor ain't nowhere near ready for the NFL game, but if I'm going to take a QB who's 6'6" tall it's going to be a guy that can move like pryor as opposed to like Mallett. Let me know of all the 6'6" QBs who are in the HoF or have played in a Pro Bowl too.


No thanks on Mallett. I can't afford to hope the he's the first to do either with the Browns.

It's Luck or another position. Locker can't hit the ground if he drops the ball.

Isn't that kind of Arbitrary?

I mean players are just bigger now. Brady, Manning(s), Palmer, Ryan, Rivers, Aikman, Bledsoe, Hasselback, Marino, all these guys are at least 6-4" and half are 6-5"....

Is there some physiological cut-off at 6-5"?

No. It's quite simple and quite clear as written if you read it in its entirety. If you're going to draft someone that big give me the guy who can move and not Herman Munster with a Howitzer.

Or, give me the guy who's 6'4" and has been praised for his footwork, arm and intelligence


Mallet's footwork and foot speed and mobility have always been his scarlet letter.

If I'm drafting in the top 5 I don't want a scarlet letter QB.

At 15 or 25? Fine.

Well I think your last line muddied what you were saying, at least from how I read it.

Let me know of all the 6'6" QBs who are in the HoF or have played in a Pro Bowl too.

I don't care about mobility. You bring up an important point regarding footwork.

[peeker643]

It doesn't matter how good the DE is that you draft, if your QB sucks, even Reggie White can't help you that much.

This is true. But you better not draft Dan Fucking McGwire either.

And I'll say this: Terrelle Pryor ain't nowhere near ready for the NFL game, but if I'm going to take a QB who's 6'6" tall it's going to be a guy that can move like pryor as opposed to like Mallett. Let me know of all the 6'6" QBs who are in the HoF or have played in a Pro Bowl too.


No thanks on Mallett. I can't afford to hope the he's the first to do either with the Browns.

It's Luck or another position. Locker can't hit the ground if he drops the ball.

Isn't that kind of Arbitrary?

I mean players are just bigger now. Brady, Manning(s), Palmer, Ryan, Rivers, Aikman, Bledsoe, Hasselback, Marino, all these guys are at least 6-4" and half are 6-5"....

Is there some physiological cut-off at 6-5"?

No. It's quite simple and quite clear as written if you read it in its entirety. If you're going to draft someone that big give me the guy who can move and not Herman Munster with a Howitzer.

Or, give me the guy who's 6'4" and has been praised for his footwork, arm and intelligence


Mallet's footwork and foot speed and mobility have always been his scarlet letter.

If I'm drafting in the top 5 I don't want a scarlet letter QB.

At 15 or 25? Fine.

Well I think your last line muddied what you were saying, at least from how I read it.

Let me know of all the 6'6" QBs who are in the HoF or have played in a Pro Bowl too.

I don't care about mobility. You bring up an important point regarding footwork.

My point, and maybe I'm too scattered today after this weekend, is that I don't want CDT under center. Uncle Rico can throw a ball over the mountains but I don't want him either in the top 5. I want no weaknesses or major footwork concerns and plenty of strengths. Dan McGwire is a big arm, no footwork guy that I remember and that Mallett was drawing comparisons to last season.

No thanks on that.

6'4" and without those weaknesses works for me.

[danwismar]

Dad is now back north as AD of WVU cleaning up for DickRod and Huggins.

Big job.

[danwismar]

I am all in favor of SD's suggestion of bringing in Nate Davis, for the short term at least, if's it's workable...if only to put a dynamic athlete onto a roster that has so few of them.

[JCoz]

It doesn't matter how good the DE is that you draft, if your QB sucks, even Reggie White can't help you that much.

This is true. But you better not draft Dan Fucking McGwire either.

And I'll say this: Terrelle Pryor ain't nowhere near ready for the NFL game, but if I'm going to take a QB who's 6'6" tall it's going to be a guy that can move like pryor as opposed to like Mallett. Let me know of all the 6'6" QBs who are in the HoF or have played in a Pro Bowl too.


No thanks on Mallett. I can't afford to hope the he's the first to do either with the Browns.

It's Luck or another position. Locker can't hit the ground if he drops the ball.

Isn't that kind of Arbitrary?

I mean players are just bigger now. Brady, Manning(s), Palmer, Ryan, Rivers, Aikman, Bledsoe, Hasselback, Marino, all these guys are at least 6-4" and half are 6-5"....

Is there some physiological cut-off at 6-5"?

No. It's quite simple and quite clear as written if you read it in its entirety. If you're going to draft someone that big give me the guy who can move and not Herman Munster with a Howitzer.

Or, give me the guy who's 6'4" and has been praised for his footwork, arm and intelligence


Mallet's footwork and foot speed and mobility have always been his scarlet letter.

If I'm drafting in the top 5 I don't want a scarlet letter QB.

At 15 or 25? Fine.

Well I think your last line muddied what you were saying, at least from how I read it.

Let me know of all the 6'6" QBs who are in the HoF or have played in a Pro Bowl too.

I don't care about mobility. You bring up an important point regarding footwork.

My point, and maybe I'm too scattered today after this weekend, is that I don't want CDT under center. Uncle Rico can throw a ball over the mountains but I don't want him either in the top 5. I want no weaknesses or major footwork concerns and plenty of strengths. Dan McGwire is a big arm, no footwork guy that I remember and that Mallett was drawing comparisons to last season.

No thanks on that.

6'4" and without those weaknesses works for me.

Peek I guess my counter would be that 6-6" without those weaknesses should work too right?