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by swerb » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:47 pm
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by diminishingskills » Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:29 pm
by wmurphyhh » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:03 pm
If I had to suggest one trend for this year's draft, it's that guys with any character concerns will slide -- big time -- and the ones that carry huge red flags will not have ringing phones until Sunday, if at all.
by jb » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:46 am
Swerb wrote:Browns trade #3 to Miami for #9, #40, and #71 (Miami has two 2nd rd picks)1. Oak - QB JaMarcus Russell, LSU*-2. Atl - WR Calvin Johnson, Ga Tech*-3. Mia - QB Brady Quinn, ND4. TB - DT Abomi Okoye, Louisville5. Ariz - OT Joe Thomas, Wisconsin6. Was - DE Gaines Adams, Clemson7. Min - RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma*-8. Det - DT Alan Branch, Michigan *-9. Cle - OT Levi Brown, Penn State36. Cle - OG Arron Sears, Tennessee40. Cle - CB Eric Wright, UNLV67. Cle - DE Quentin Moses, Georgia (Mebane? Pitcock?)71. Cle - QB Troy Smith, Ohio State103. Cle - RB Darius Walker, Notre Dame140. Cle - CB Tarrell Brown, Texas178. Cle - DE Jay Richardson, Ohio State
by furls » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:16 am
by swerb » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:17 am
by diminishingskills » Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:50 am
by jb » Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:57 pm
DiminishingSkills wrote:BTW - When the league is cracking down on off the field shit and the rest of the league zigs, that is EXACTLY when you zag! Mad value and most of these guys actually get their shot together.We couldn't agree more.Signed,Lawrence Phillips, Odell Thurman, Koren Robinson, Maurice Clarett, Winston Justice, and Marcus VickWAR Adrian McPherson lining up behind center, not right guard. (http://rangelife.typepad.com/rangelife/images/saints.jpeg)* * * It's not just about blowing a draft pick anymore. And it's not just about drafting a guy who becomes a shit stain on your organization's laundry. The NFL has said that they will take other sanctions against teams whose players are involved in criminal activity -- possibly including the loss of future draft picks. It's one thing to draft Wright in the second round. It would be bad enough to blow a pick on a guy who doesn't pan out because he's counting the Ecstasy pills in his crib. It's worse if that pick also costs you, say, another second round pick in a future draft, plus a fine.The NFL's message is clear: they are not going to tolerate the criminal element any more. Teams who zag against that message do so at their own peril.
by furls » Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:15 pm
by diminishingskills » Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:04 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:18 pm
by mistero » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:55 pm
by Mr. MacPhisto » Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:31 pm
mistero wrote:If Russell is available I don't think a team could come up with a trade down package that would sway Savage. He's coming to Cleveland.
by yogi » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:16 am
by jb » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:01 pm
DiminishingSkills wrote:Glad yer in agreement to throw us away on draft day, Sincerely, Dan Marino, Randy Moss, Laveraneous ColesMy scoreboard has that as one bad example and two irrelevant ones. Moss has proven to be a quitter and a sulker; his nickname should be Melanoma, 'cause he's definitely a cancer. Marino slipped in the draft because (a) it was a QB-heavy draft and (b) he had what was perceived as a disappointing senior season at Pitt. Coles underpaid for some stuff -- big frigging deal. Same shit as goes on at every other Division I school; he just happened to get caught and/or was dumb enough not to have some sugar daddy "booster" provide it gratis.There is definitely a distinction between youthful dumbassery (which is where I'd put Coles) and more serious, "this guy has problems we can't afford to solve" issues (i.e., guys with assault/battery/rape level charges). I don't think we're that far apart -- you said that you wouldn't have touched a guy like Phillips either. But the whole point -- which you've pretty much agreed to -- is that guys with character concerns are going to drop, big time, on draft day; accordingly, Wright may well be there a round or two later than originally planned."Character Counts."- Courtney Brown (or he would have said so if he ever spoke)Had Courtney said those words, he would have sprained his lip and been forced to go on IR.
by furls » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:08 pm
Dude, Randy Moss was the most dominant single player in the NFL for a period of about 3 - 4 seasons. Define him by his Minnesota years with Carter, not what he's doing now. It's the same w/ TO and his prime 9er seasons vs the clusterfuck he is now.
by jb » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:21 pm
Furls wrote:Dude, Randy Moss was the most dominant single player in the NFL for a period of about 3 - 4 seasons. Define him by his Minnesota years with Carter, not what he's doing now. It's the same w/ TO and his prime 9er seasons vs the clusterfuck he is now. A player that is great (with a hall of famer lined up across from him) for 3-4 years is not a great barometer. I would hope for more than 3-4 years of primetime followed by 5 years of cancerous meltdown out of my first rounders.
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