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Steinbach a Brown per ESPN John Clayton

Unread postby yogi » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:34 pm

woo-hoo

That's 1 down and hopefully a few more to go!
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Unread postby jfiling » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:04 pm

The one guy all along I've felt the Browns had to get, and they got him.

I'd suggest they hold him out of the first play in training camp, though.
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Unread postby wmurphyhh » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:32 pm

Anyone seen a link to confirm this one ? No offense, yogi...just hard to believe they actually delivered again this year.
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Unread postby wmurphyhh » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:36 pm

Just saw it on the ticker for ESPN News.
7 year deal.
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Unread postby furls » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:53 pm

wow, 7mill a year... that is a lot for a guard. I am not saying it is too much, I know that elite guards are getting paid well, but man that is pricey.

Nice to see them spend the "CAY$H" where it is needed most.

Now we just need 1 guard and 1 tackle and some depth.
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Unread postby jb » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:39 pm

Furls wrote:wow, 7mill a year... that is a lot for a guard. I am not saying it is too much, I know that elite guards are getting paid well, but man that is pricey.

Nice to see them spend the "CAY$H" where it is needed most.

Now we just need 1 guard and 1 tackle and some depth.


Heavy coin to be sure. But yah know, they almost have to do it. The versitility is a huge bonus as well.

Agree we need a couple more vet OLmen, young DLmen, and have to nail down that vet CB.

A good job by Savage, tho. Well done. He nailed a big FA fish 2 years running.

Hope Steinbach plays more than 1 TC play..... :-( :sad: :(
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Unread postby Dozen » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:35 pm

Solid, Imagine if they do draft Joe Thomas :eek :shock:

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If he leaves without signing one, the Cleveland Browns would be very in the mix.

It's another reason why the club should've franchised Steve Hutchinson last year.
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Unread postby consigliere » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:05 pm

If the Browns sign Steinbach AND Dielman, does this change the idea of going after Thomas witht he 1st pick? Does A Pete become more the target? If you ask me, if they do get two top FA o-lineman, I think a QB could very well enter the mix with that 1st pick.

I think it comes down to A Pete vs whoever is there between Quinn/Russell.
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Unread postby Dozen » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:16 pm

I dont know but I am glad they didnt sign Clements for what SF gave him (even though he'll get cut in 3 yrs)
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Unread postby BadBecks » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:48 pm

hey, to get the best OL, you gotta overspend to get him to play for a 4-12 team with a lame duck coach. well done Phil.
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Unread postby furls » Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:38 am

hey, to get the best OL, you gotta overspend to get him to play for a 4-12 team with a lame duck coach. well done Phil.


Not complaining at all, actually, I am quite happy. I am just in a bit of sticker shock. I knew signing this guy was going to cost at least this much, but it still stings when you see it.
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:43 am

Bottom line, they had to keep him from getting on a bird to Tampa. It would have been all over had he.

Kudos to Phil for being able to sell this team on FA's. Steinbach could have gotten that jack anywhere.

Love the versatility with Steinbach.
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Unread postby wmurphyhh » Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:08 am

Plus he is going to be the left tackle. Steinbach's comments of "We haven't discussed guard or tackle yet" are media quotes. Just like LCB last year, the Browns are holding out until they tell Shaffer & Tucker they are moving spots.

How about Seth McKinney at LG ?
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:42 am

wmurphyhh wrote:Plus he is going to be the left tackle. Steinbach's comments of "We haven't discussed guard or tackle yet" are media quotes. Just like LCB last year, the Browns are holding out until they tell Shaffer & Tucker they are moving spots.

How about Seth McKinney at LG ?

I tend to agree Murph. The guy arrived at Hopkins at 9 AM, the signing was announced at 6:30 PM. I'm pretty sure the topic of what position he'd be playing may have came up in that time frame.

There's no doubt in my mind that Savage had to not only back up the Brinks Truck for Steinbach, but also promise him LT. And I'm fine with that. I've long been of the opinion that Shaffer is much more suited for RT.

You move Steinbach to LT, and that secures the tackle position. You move Shaffer to RT, and have the winner of a Nat Dorsey/Kelly Butler battle (both kids still with upside) for depth. And there's always the possibility of Mother Tucker coming back still as well.

This allows Phil to take Joe Thomas out of the equation at #3. And he can attack the guard spots in rounds 2-7. Man, if you can get Grubbs at the top of round two ... a Datish/Max Ramirez type in round four, all of the sudden you're looking at:

LT - Eric Steinbach
LG - Joe Andruzzi
C - Hank Fraley
RG - Ben Grubbs
RT - Kevin Shaffer

Kelly Butler
Doug Datish/Max Ramirez
Nat Dorsey
Isaac Sowells
Mother Tucker?

Youth, upside, depth ... you're allowed to have that on the OL? :lol:
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Unread postby jfiling » Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:01 pm

I might be missing something here, but why would Steinbach really care which position he plays? He's getting big $, and I'm sure he'd happily play center if asked. I'm not sure I understand the reasoning for why he'd prefer to play tackle over guard.
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Unread postby furls » Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:51 pm

LT - Eric Steinbach
LG - Joe Andruzzi
C - Hank Fraley
RG - Ben Grubbs
RT - Kevin Shaffer


They have got to replace Andruzzi. He sucks.
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Unread postby jb » Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:39 pm

Swerb wrote:
LT - Eric Steinbach
LG - Joe Andruzzi
C - Hank Fraley
RG - Ben Grubbs
RT - Kevin Shaffer

Kelly Butler
Doug Datish/Max Ramirez
Nat Dorsey
Isaac Sowells
Mother Tucker?


Personally, if I sign a near pro bowl quality LG still getting better, I don't move him to a position where he's mediocre.

The Browns need one more vet FA OL man to fix this thing. And as has been said, get Andruzzi the hell out a Dodge.

The cool thing is Shaffer gives you flexibility.
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Unread postby consigliere » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:23 pm

I liken Steinbach to Victor Martinez.

As a guard (catcher), the guy is elite. At offensive tackle (1B), he is middle of the pack.

Leave Steinbach at guard.
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Unread postby swerb » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:39 pm

My thing is this. LT is the most important position on the OL. I believe alot of the Browns overall line woes stem from the team never having a LT worth anything. I also believe that a B+ LT or higher makes the whole line better, and helps the passing game immesasurably.

So for me, it comes down to two core beliefs I have:

~Whoever plays LT the best should play LT.
~Kevin Shaffer is a RT, not a LT.
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Unread postby furls » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:41 pm

I liken Steinbach to Victor Martinez.

As a guard (catcher), the guy is elite. At offensive tackle (1B), he is middle of the pack.

Leave Steinbach at guard.


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I still think we should trade down to 8-12 and get Levi Brown or hope like hell Staley is there in the second round. The overall end result is that I can now also come off my, "The Browns must draft O-Line in the first round stance." I still think they should if they trade down to Levi Brown and get an extra second in the process, but I could stomach drafting AP or Calvin Johnson now.
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Unread postby pup » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:25 am

Call me crazy but wouldn't our best o-line be:

LT - Joe Thomas
LG - Eric Steinbech
C- Hank Fraley
RG- Mother Tucker (love that Swerb)
RT - Kevin Shaeffer

I think Detroit is trading out of the 2 spot to someone that wants Johnson real bad and Thomas will be there. Unless they sign another linemen in free agency, Leonard Davis or Luke Petigout, they have not done enough to fix it. Draft Joe Thomas and line those 2 up next to each other for the next 7 years.
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Unread postby swerb » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:27 am

Pup wrote:Call me crazy but wouldn't our best o-line be:

LT - Joe Thomas
LG - Eric Steinbech
C- Hank Fraley
RG- Mother Tucker (love that Swerb)
RT - Kevin Shaeffer

I think Detroit is trading out of the 2 spot to someone that wants Johnson real bad and Thomas will be there. Unless they sign another linemen in free agency, Leonard Davis or Luke Petigout, they have not done enough to fix it. Draft Joe Thomas and line those 2 up next to each other for the next 7 years.

I would not mind that OL at all.
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Unread postby jb » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:33 am

Swerb wrote:My thing is this. LT is the most important position on the OL. I believe alot of the Browns overall line woes stem from the team never having a LT worth anything. I also believe that a B+ LT or higher makes the whole line better, and helps the passing game immesasurably.

So for me, it comes down to two core beliefs I have:

~Whoever plays LT the best should play LT.
~Kevin Shaffer is a RT, not a LT.


Then as has been said, draft a real LT. Why weaken 2 positions?

But guys - what makes you think a ) Ryan Tucker can play RG in his declining years as his performance keeps slipiing (I keep seeing this repeated like it is gospel despite the fact he's never played there) and b ) will ever play again? Dude quit on the team twice cause he's NUTS. They should cut him and move on before he snaps and beats someone else nearly to death.

I'm sick on Joe Andruzzi-like retreads. Get me young and strong at ORG .

Gotta go out & get another solid OLman and still need to draft a guard reasonably high.
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Unread postby pup » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:33 am

If they can draft Joe Thomas and Ben Grubbs with their first two picks, then go ahead. Thomas, Eric, Hank, Ben and Shaefer would be fine with me. I just think there is no way Phil goes OL with the first 2, so we need to find someone from within to play RG for a year.

Tucker would fit well at RG, because he has a nasty streak and while he has lost a step, that would not be as big of a deal inside. He CANNOT be worse that Colemen/Andruzzi. If he comes to camp and competes for the spot and wins it, I will have no problem with him being the RG. If he gets beat out, then he is depth that can play either right side position.
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Unread postby furls » Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:47 am

I think the Browns can put two rookies in the starting O-line (ala the jets of last year with mangold and D'Brick) and not totally give up their draft for the O-line.

I really think that there are some terrific guards in this year's draft and it would be a mistake to not take one in the 2nd or 3rd round. Blalock, Sears, Grubbs, and Ramirez could all come in and make an immediate impact. They all have impressive size and strength and they all move very well.
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