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by consigliere » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:05 am
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Posted on Thu, Feb. 22, 2007Winslow recovery will take monthsType of knee surgery isn't always successfulBy Patrick McManamonBeacon Journal sportswriterINDIANAPOLIS - Kellen Winslow's comeback from offseason knee surgery will be quite a bit more involved than first impressions indicated.Winslow, a Browns tight end, had microfracture surgery on his right knee Jan. 30, a process that takes four months to rehab.The surgery is delicate, and although results have improved, it has not always been successful.Microfracture surgery replaces damaged or lost cartilage. Small holes are drilled in the knee bone to promote blood flow. Scar tissue forms, replacing the damaged cartilage.The procedure takes 30 minutes (according to Wikipedia) and is performed arthroscopically, but it requires the patient to use crutches for six to eight weeks and prohibits strenuous athletic activity for four months.Although some athletes -- notably basketball players -- have come back as good as new, some football players have not.Former NFL running back Terrell Davis' microfracture surgery did not help him, but his was a last-gasp operation.Former Browns defensive end Courtney Brown had microfracture surgery and was never the same.Carolina Panthers running back DeShaun Foster has come back well, but a teammate, receiver Patrick Jeffers, did not play again.In basketball, Amare Stoudemire of the Phoenix Suns and Jason Kidd of the New Jersey Nets are among those who have played at a top level after microfracture surgery.That Winslow needed the procedure showed what he played through last season, when he tied a Browns record with 89 receptions.Winslow continually said he was playing on one knee. Now it's evident why -- his right knee's cartilage essentially was missing by season's end.The injury and procedure are just further damage to a knee that Winslow wrecked in a motorcycle accident in May 2005. He also suffered from a staph infection after the surgery to repair a torn ligament in the knee.Winslow came back to play well last season. He conceded that he will never be what he was before the accident, but he contended that 90 percent of him is better than any other tight end in the league.General Manager Phil Savage said Tuesday that the team expects Winslow to be back full-go by June or July, which should make him available for training camp if his knee responds.Savage, who did not detail the microfracture procedure, said it's not known whether Winslow will take part in the team's June mini camp.
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Swerb wrote:Here's hoping they cleaned everything up, and this kid can actually run this season.
by swerb » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:56 pm
by jb » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:13 pm
Swerb wrote:Savage said he was expected to be 100% by July, well before the start of camp.
by jb » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:14 pm
Consigliere wrote:I blame the lame-ass media in this town. How many times are stories put on the backburner? I bet some of the media people knew of this surgery weeks ago. Or, about the real reason Z is missing games. Or, why Arthur Rhodes left the Indians. Etc. We figured out those reasons on our own, but the fact the media in this town coddles the teams is sickening. The media in NY, LA, Chicago, etc is not so nice. Yes, the Cleveland media has shown some class in regard to Z and Rhodes, but there is no such thing as class these days in the media.
by consigliere » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:53 pm
by jb » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:41 pm
Consigliere wrote:Remember, Rhodes was put on bereavement list ... and never returned.
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by consigliere » Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:25 pm
Dozen wrote:They do not need to notify me of the change in his surgery,...
Now if the injury runs into next season, I'd be a lil more upset. But at the end of the day, they didnt drill holes in his kneecap just for the hell of it. It obviously needed to be done.
I find it funny how some people are so eager to attack anything to do with the Browns, but yet turn the other way when the Indians seem to find away to pass any injury riddled players physicals.
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by jb » Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:35 am
Furls wrote:The scary thing about microfracture surgery is that because of its elevated failure rate, it is kind of a surgery of last resort. Guys, don't get this surgery unless it is NECESSARY (in all caps). This tells us a couple of things:1.) KWII is a very VERY tough man with a serious degree of dedication to what he does.2.) His career is in jeopardy. See here is where microfracture is different than Tommy John Surgery. Tommy John surgery has a horrific recovery but is largely successful. Microfracture surgery, because of the nature of the surgery, has a shorter recovery to utilitarian use but it can take years before it is "right" (or as good as it is going to get in any case).The KWII that we get next year, even with a best case 4 month recovery, is not that KWII that we are used to.
by General » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:57 pm
by Dozen » Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:40 am
Winslow's knee raises a red flagMicrofracture procedure delicate, but Browns downplay seriousnessBy Patrick McManamonINDIANAPOLIS - A friend from the NBA e-mailed when he read that Browns tight end Kellen Winslow had microfracture surgery on his right knee.``The word `microfracture' is the most feared in the NBA,'' he wrote. ``No NBA player has been able to successfully return without a full season off. Players who have come back early have almost always had more problems.``This is what cost Amare Stoudemire all of last season and Jason Kidd months a few years ago. Of course, both came back and have become All-Stars.''The Browns, of course, would prefer to stress the latter half of the statement.There is no getting around the delicate and serious nature of microfracture surgery -- a procedure that involves drilling small holes into the bone around the knee to promote the growth of scar tissue that replaces cartilage.Some guys come back; some guys don't.Winslow told the Associated Press last week that it was his decision to have the surgery, and that it was done to alleviate pain in his knee.Browns General Manager Phil Savage said the microfracture process of Winslow's surgery was not as drastic or serious as it might sound.``When you hear microfracture, there's a lot of negative connotations to that surgery,'' Savage said. ``I don't think this was quite as extensive as some of the others that have gone on over the years. He did have some scar tissue cleaned out and the cartilage part involved the microfracture.``From what I understand, it was not as extensive as other players have had in the past.''The Browns initially released that Winslow had surgery to ``repair cartilage damage,'' but had they explained the microfracture procedure in full initially, some of the negative connotations might have been avoided.That being said, the team insists that it is not worried about Winslow's return.``Joe Andruzzi had a microfracture surgery in his career,'' coach Romeo Crennel said. ``Hey, he plays pretty tough. I know that guys have had it. They've come back from it. I don't see any reason why any other player couldn't come back from it.''http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/16780761.htm
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by furls » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:20 pm
Medical experts stress that the impact of this procedure, unlike some surgeries, has always varied widely from patient to patient based on the size and location of the operated area. An ACL tear is an ACL tear, but a microfracture surgery can range from significant to career-altering
by FUDU » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:49 pm
by jb » Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:58 pm
FUDU wrote:If one has the POV that the Browns will greatly improve this year but still not fight for a post season spot than this news is no big deal. Not having KW2 wouldn't make or break us.However if one is of the school of thought that the Browns could improve and fight for a playoff spot than this news could potentially be devastating. Make no mistake about it, Winslow means that much to this offense that him being out of action for game(s) will make or break the season.The Browns DO NOT make the playoffs without Winslow, no two ways about it.I expected big things from the decision makers in how they utilize KW2 this year and for him to be off the field for anywhere from a few games to half of them would really slow the progression of this offense down IMO.
by FUDU » Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:00 pm
FU , DU. KW2 when healthy, if he could ever get healthy again, would be the best receiving TE in the NFL. It'd be a crushing blow to lose the only # 1 pick before Wimbley who lived up to billing.
by wmurphyhh » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:39 am
Call me crazy but you are of the opinion that the Browns are making the jump to possibly being a playoff team this coming season?
by Dozen » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:09 am
I don't know, but Shaun Smith was on Sirius on Friday afternoon. He guaranteed the Browns will make the playoffs this season
by General » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:17 am
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by swerb » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:16 pm
docstank wrote:6-8 weeks on crutches is automatic. They are drilling cuts in the bone which will take that long to heal, I can guarantee that. Next rehab insues which as previously mentioned, at least four months. Early return can result in overcompensation and damage to the contralateral knee.(other side) Another fact regarding this surgery, even if successful the cartiledge "grown" in the knee capsule will not duplicate the original, it will be weaker version with a shorter life span. Not to be negative put this truely changes him forever.The key is the fact that he is not rushed to return it can lengthen an already lengthy recovery and can in the end significantly shorten a career. So in the end, I think a person of his age has a good chance a "successful result", in reality, however a four month return to the NFL is not very likely in my opinion.
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