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by Guest » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:02 am
by furls » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:46 am
by The Score » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:09 am
by furls » Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:48 am
by pup » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:31 pm
by leadpipe » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:08 pm
by consigliere » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:37 pm
by furls » Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:37 pm
by consigliere » Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:17 pm
by furls » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:21 pm
And it has been proven time and time again you don't have to build your line with 1st round draft picks.
If you get the franchise QB now, you sit him for a year and essentially have the 2007 and 2008 draft to add long term options on the o-line to protect him, and also have the 2007 and 2008 FA period to fill in the gaps.
by consigliere » Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:58 pm
Furls wrote:Basically, you are saying, "Do what the Brown's have consistently done for the last 7 years." IT DOES NOT WORK.
by furls » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:52 pm
The Browns have invested heavily in FAs.....but hardly any picks on o-lineman. If they dedicated 3-4 picks 1st day picks combined in the 2007 and 2008 draft, it would be a huge improvement. And, it doesn't have to be a 1st rounder....2nd and 3rd round lineman will suffice.
by consigliere » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:48 am
by furls » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:55 am
If Thomas starts getting comps to the Boselli's, Ogden's, and Munoz's of the world, I'm game.
by consigliere » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:54 am
Furls wrote:If Thomas starts getting comps to the Boselli's, Ogden's, and Munoz's of the world, I'm game.Those are three of the four best tackles in the last 30 years (only guy you are missing is Pace). THat is like saying only draft a running back if he is a lock to be Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, or Marshall Faulk or only draft a QB if he is a guaranteed to be Joe Montana, Steve Young, or Dan Marino.
by pup » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:55 pm
by consigliere » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:12 pm
by pup » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:05 pm
I think it is a big mistake to limit it to "best player at a pre-determined position." It is not like o-line is the only hole, this team needs players everywhere. Heck, I wouldn't complain if they drafted Calvin Johnson. In the 1st round, it has to be best player available. Period. Then after that you draft based on need.
by consigliere » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:41 pm
Pup wrote:That is the kind of thinking that leads to the same teams being bad every year. That is why the Lions took a WR for 3 straight years.
It does not matter what round of the draft you are in, the most important thing to do is fill the holes that you have, with the best player that fills those holes. If you think the O-Line is not the #1 need on this team, then I have to ask you to go watch the games again. There are no holes to run through, and no time for a QB.
by pup » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:31 pm
Reaching in the 1st round, especially in the Top 5, to fill a need is suicide
by consigliere » Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:52 pm
Pup wrote:Except for the fact that he is not a fucking reach. I used the top 15 example to illustrate how bad I think our line is, not to rate Thomas. He is a TOP 5 pick on every draft board I have seen.
And I would take best DL available over either QB, Peterson, Johnson or any other iditoyic skill player out there. Football games are won on the LOS. It has been this way forever! It will not change. Ask the Cardinals. Fuck, ask the Buckeyes for that matter. When your lines get manhandled, nothing else works. NOTHING!
by furls » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:33 pm
And, again, I agree the o-line has its problems. But, did you watch the games this year either? Our defensive line got pretty torn up as well. I could EASILY make the case our d-line is worse than our o-line. So, what, should we draft Alan Branch then (NO WAY!)?
by consigliere » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:52 am
Furls wrote:THe "Consig Plan" as I will now call it is retarded. Draft a franchise quarterback so he can sit on the bench while the team flounders for another year.
by pup » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:42 am
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