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by swerb » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:57 pm
by dpdad » Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:32 pm
The Browns correctly realize Crennel can't be blamed for much of what happened this season, from a very demanding schedule to an overwhelming onslaught of injuries...
by pup » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:35 pm
The schedule is demanding for every team
and every team has injuries
The 2006 Browns had more talent than any other team since the return of the team in '99
My pre-season prediction was 7-9
by furls » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:30 pm
by pup » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:39 pm
1.) His control of his team. He has 2nd year players popping off at the mouth and undermining him. If he cannot manage and focus the talent that is a problem. Being an NFL coach is as much a baby sitting job as it is an X's and O's job.
2.) His demeanor that seems to accept mediocrity and bad play from his players and coaching staff. I cannot handle a coach that rationalizes losing a rivalry game by saying, "well, we didn't lose by as much as last year."
3.) His team is undisciplined and quit on him this year
4.) He looks as lost on the sidelines as his team does on the field. The same players in this year's line up actually seem worse than last year
Don't give me this crap about the schedule. Yeah, there were some tough games on it, but when you play in the AFC North, there are no divisional games that are gimmie's (we are the team that everyone else considers gimme's). That means right off the bat you have 6 tough games.
The Browns also had some pretty easy games this year: Oakland 2-14 Tampa 4-12 Houston 6-10
by consigliere » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:57 pm
by pup » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:28 pm
Wow. If you defend Romeo, then I just can't take you seriously anymore when you bash Wedge
tell me why he SHOULD NOT be fired and what he brings to this team
by consigliere » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:01 pm
by pup » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:13 pm
Ok, I'll play. If the talent that Crennel has is so bad, then fire Savage. Clearly, one of the two are not doing a good job. So, cut bait now. You can't say Crennel has no talent, but defend Savage. Savage has had two drafts and two offseasons.....
Oh, and are you saying the Indians are the most talented team in the division the last 3 years? You mean all that back and forth banter the last two years was for naught?
by pup » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:14 pm
Jon Gruden suddenly forget how to coach? Jim Mora was the greatest, before his talent let him down. Joe Gibbs is dumb now? Jack Del Rio is no longer the toast of JAX. John Fox is over rated? Marvin Lewis Tom Coughlin Dennis Green
by consigliere » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:43 pm
Pup wrote:The team is more talented that it was two years ago, except for the lines.
You cannot go from the least talented team from 1-52 to a talented team overall in 2 years. You have to take steps.
by pup » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:39 pm
I'm not sure of that. Our two best players, Kellen Winslow and Sean Jones, are holdovers from the previous regime. The only other potential elite player we have on this roster is Wimbley, which I will give Savage credit for...oh, and LeChuck. The rest of this roster is filled with garbage and the same over-rated crapola that the roster had when Savage took over. We are strong in probably only two spots: linebacker and safety. Every other position we are at best below average at. This team has a long way to go to get to a respectable level. You'd think in two drafts and two offseasons, we'd be a lot further along in several positions. So, all we have improved at in 2 years is linebacker? Yuck.
Tell that to New Orleans
To the Jets
If you are a good talent evaluator, you can have your team playing respectable within a year or two. The average evaluators take 3-4 years at least to turn things around.
by Dozen » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:42 pm
by furls » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:16 pm
by consigliere » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:03 am
Pup wrote:Braylon Edwards, Brodney Pool, D'Qwell Jackson, Josh Cribbs, Daven Holly, Leon Williams Kevin Shaefer and Dave Zastudil (yes I am including a punter) are all better than what we had at those spots when we started.Ted Washington and Willie McGinest are both better than what was here when Phil arrived.The jury is still out on Travis Wilson, Lawrence Vickers, and Rob Smith.
Still don't want to take a stab at all the good coaches I named and explain why they stunk this year?
by consigliere » Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:19 am
You are comparing the Browns to the worst situations in the NFL, and mentioning them in the same breath. You are OK with this? You think that the product, effort, results, and general demeanor of this team are in line with its talent level? You think that this team is really achieving and progressing?
I understand that "rebuilding" takes time. I did not expect nor demand that the Browns go 12-4 this year. What I did expect was to see this group of players play like a team. I expected to see an offensive game plan emerge. I expected to see improvement somewhere on this team. You blame the talent, and I will say that the talent is definetly up to snuff, but I will also say that this team is showing no signs of improvement.
by pup » Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:47 am
Bingo Furls. For whatever reason, people use comparisons to the other failing teams to show that we are not the only ones. How about comparing ourselves to the better teams and starting to demand more of this team/org? We've had such a watered down product for so long, it is almost liek the fans are brainwashed.
THis is what gets at me. A lot of people were on here saying that this team would win 7-9 games this year before the season started. Even after the LeChuck injury. The team goes 4-12, but those same people are not upset? Instead, they defend why the GM and coach must return and make excuses about the talent and injuries. Obviously, when the season starter, people saw more talent to win 7-9 games.....yet all of a sudden we lack talent once things are seen through. Such is life as a Browns fan I guess.
Edwards us really not much different, at this point, from Quincy Morgan
Devon Holly? Who cares about this guy. What about the loss of Anthony Henry
Kevin Shaeffer? How is this guy any different from Ross Verba
And Ted Washington? Please. I'd take Gerard Warren over him anyday
Why? Good coahes have their down years. What is your point? I mean, has Crennel ever had an "up" year? Oh, yeah, his up year was 2005 when we went 6-10. Yeah, forget everything I said about Crennel, the guy has proven to win in the past like a Gruden and others
by consigliere » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:30 pm
Pup wrote:Sounds funny coming from the king of accepting mediocrity with the Indians.
14 players on the IR (I know some were on there late, but that accounts for playing poorly in their last 2).
Please. This is a guy that busted his ass to come back from an injury almost 8 weeks early. He needs to mature, but he is way better than Quincy Morgan.
The point is why do they have down years. Injuries, loss of talent. The same reasons the Browns were bad.
by pup » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:42 pm
I'd kill for the Browns to be just mediocre
This is where I have a problem. People act like what we lost with those 14 players on IR were doing anything to begin with. The loss of LeCharles clearly hurt, and maybe Roye and McCutcheon hurt our depth somewhat.....but what about the other 11 guys on IR? Can you even name them? You mean to tell me Cosey Coleman was THAT valuable? Did Baxter do anything before he was hurt? WTF does William Green matter? J'Vonne Parker? Jason Wright? Jeremy Lesuer? Ethan Kelley? Andrew Hoffman? Kelly Butler? Derek Anderson? Half the guys on the list were garbage anyway.....but the fans make it out like the 14 guys on IR all had meaningful impact for this team.
The Patriots had 15 guys on IR, the Saints had 11
Of course, to lose talent, you have to have had it to begin with. DOH
by consigliere » Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:56 pm
With Crennell getting another year, I am pretty sure this is what Randy is telling us: These two will go down together. If you replace Romeo now, Phil does a shitty job in FA and the draft then Phil gets fired next off season and the new GM will probably want to hire his own coach. So are we going to change coaches again next year?
by Dozen » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:28 pm
Consigliere wrote:With Crennell getting another year, I am pretty sure this is what Randy is telling us: These two will go down together. If you replace Romeo now, Phil does a shitty job in FA and the draft then Phil gets fired next off season and the new GM will probably want to hire his own coach. So are we going to change coaches again next year?Oh joy. Wake me after the 2007 season. I'll get excited again for this team and org next off-season when we finally decide to make the move to get a new GM and coach.
by consigliere » Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:58 pm
by Big Lu » Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:50 pm
we can't fix all holes in one offseason
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