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by jjgmyers » Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:24 am
by wmurphyhh » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:08 pm
by swerb » Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:26 pm
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by Guest » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:28 pm
Not taking him terrifies me. With the Browns luck, I can see it now. The Browns pass on this kid and he haunts this franchise for 10-12 years. Im not ready to take a position on this yet. There are very valid arguments for and against taking him.
by wmurphyhh » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:15 am
GBN Reports latest ... Brady Quinn #1, JaMarcus Russell #2, no Troy Smith in the 1st rd. Browns take Penn St LT Levi Brown #8.
by cweiz32 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:21 am
by wmurphyhh » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:24 am
Troy Smith is still on the board late in the first round with Baltimore a few picks away, we should move up ahead of them to take him.
by cweiz32 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:22 am
wmurphyhh wrote: Troy Smith is still on the board late in the first round with Baltimore a few picks away, we should move up ahead of them to take him. What would we give up to move up ?
by consigliere » Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:39 pm
by pup » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:00 pm
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by pup » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:45 pm
by The Score » Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:36 pm
Here is what I hope transpires before the start of 2007:1. Fire Romeo2. Sign Eric Steinbach and Leonard Davis to man the guard positions3. Draft Joe Thomas 4. Sign Michael Turner5. Use the rest of the draft on DL, CB and LB.6. Bring in a veteran to compete with Frye/Anderson. Make sure the veteran is right for the system that will be put in place by the new regime.7. Hope Jim Mora/Jon Gruden get axed from their jobs. Hope to lure Vermiel out of retirement. Hope the Steelers pick Wisenhut as their new HC and make a run at Grimm.
by pup » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:45 am
1. Big mistake. Do you really think the Browns have the chance to sign anyone even remotely worthy of a HC position if they dump Romeo after only 2 seasons?
He will be tendered with at least the mid-level, which is a first round pick. He's not worth a first, and he's not worth trading for. If he can be had for a 5th round pick then fine.
5. DL? yes. CB? possibly. LB? Not a need. Ignoring the OL in the draft, yet again, would be a monumental mistake. A lot of this season being destroyed happened when Bentley got injured and the top backup was too big of a sissy to play. This season is what happens when there is a lack of depth on the OL. I would pick a C in the 3rd round at the very least.
7. If they fire Romeo, the only way they will get anyone to take the job is if they seriously overpay, and then the only reason someone takes the extra $$ is because they are greedy and only want the cash. They won't make a good hire that way.
by The Score » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:13 pm
Yes, I think they can get a quality head coach to come in here. It is not like they are firing Crennel for shits and giggles. He would be fired for being a bad head coach. So we keep him so we can fire him next year, but look better to the candidates then?
If it costs us a first, obviously we cannot do that. If they tender him, doesn't that mean that have to pay him as a top 10 back or something like that? I can't imagine they would take that chance.
I think the linemen that will be here are decent enough to be "depth quality", but would have no problem taking more OL throughout the draft. CB is a crapshoot, I agree. If someone you love falls, go ahead and take him. If not, pass. I think LB is a big need for this team. Davis is a stiff. 180 tackles, 169 of them 5 yards down field. Jackson should be the "tackle guy", but we need another attacking LB in the middle to go with him. If we are going to remain a 3-4 team, then the DL is not going to do all that much in the run game, so you need some aggressive, attacking linebackers or you will continue to get run all over.
Actually, there is very likely to only be a couple of job openings after the season. Pitt, who will hire Wisenhut or Grimm. Arizona (Marriucci, Carroll). That is about it. So if you want to be a head coach, you will have to talk to the Browns.
by pup » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:10 am
RFA's are different than UFA's/franchised players. The bottom level tender is about 750k, the mid level is about 1.5 million, and the high level tender is about 2 million. Signing a low level tender guy costs the draft pick that the guy originally was, the mid level is a 1st round pick, and the top level is a first and a third.
First, this team was devoid of offensive and 3-4 talent when Savage/Crennel took over 2 years ago. Expecting miracles is a little ridiculous and will scare away quality candidates. Second, the season was derailed when the Browns lost their Pro Bowl C and top backup Olineman before the season even started. Expecting miracles after that is also ridiculous. Anyone looking at this job will wonder how Crennel was supposed to win under those conditions and will be scared away by the crazy, over-the-top expectations.
don't think the linemen that are here are providing depth quality as it is. Maybe Sowells will be allowed to play next year, who knows? I think they need to start drafting young guys and developing them (like Pitt does) so that when people like Andruzzi fall off of the talent cliff then they have someone to step in.
I think Wimbley and DQ will be good for 5-10 years as starters
I think Davis is adequate
don't think Parcells and Gibbs are givens to come back. I could also see Shell, Gruden, Del Rio, Coughlin, and even John Fox being fired. (maybe not all, but some of those guys won't be back) Plus, there are always a couple of surprises. (like Marinelli, if Millen is fired). Anyway, it will only take one team to bid against the Browns with a better situation. The only teams the Browns look better than right now are Oakland and Detroit. If Millen is fired and they hire somebody good as GM then the Browns only beat out oakland.
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