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Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:58 pm

I can't believe there's not even a thread during the game (or hasn't been a post in the Browns forum in three days...). I'm not a very active poster, in fact haven't in a few years. I get that it's just a preseason game, but very disappointing at the interest here. Is this site even very active anymore? I am the first to admit, I don't come around much and obviously mostly as a lurker, but it's very disappointing that there's not more interest in talking about the Browns' second preseason game (I get that it "is what it is", but c'mon). Hopefully everyone's out at a bar enjoying some adult pops and wings, I'm stuck at home on the couch drinking my beer. Go Browns!
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby mattvan1 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:03 pm

BSchultz17 wrote:I can't believe there's not even a thread during the game (or hasn't been a post in the Browns forum in three days...). I'm not a very active poster, in fact haven't in a few years. I get that it's just a preseason game, but very disappointing at the interest here. Is this site even very active anymore? I am the first to admit, I don't come around much and obviously mostly as a lurker, but it's very disappointing that there's not more interest in talking about the Browns' second preseason game (I get that it "is what it is", but c'mon). Hopefully everyone's out at a bar enjoying some adult pops and wings, I'm stuck at home on the couch drinking my beer. Go Browns!


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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:04 pm

Maybe cause these pre-season games are unwatchable.

Someone give me one good reason why you should run the ball. These additional rule adjustments after the Price of the league gets roughed up in another Super Bowl....hell, there ain't three consecutive pass plays without a penalty.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:06 pm

I agree, leadpipe- why in the world even think about running the ball? I mean, the Browns have what, 4, 5, 6 defensive holding/ illegal contact penalties so far?
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:07 pm

And, I also agree, preseason games are hard to watch. But, really, what kind of a fan DOESN'T watch their team play regardless of the situation? Usually the biggest fans who complain the most about how hard the preseason is to watch are the ones that watch most attentively.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Spin » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:34 pm

My god this team looks worse than it was last year. Neither one of these fucks should be starting.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:57 pm

Yeah, this is a tough football game to watch. And, it only gets better from this point...

The defense didn't look bad against the first team offense, though the Redskins got yards in bunches through the air thanks to the defensive holding calls (that I think I should get used to this season). Granted, against a team that went 3-13 last season. At least we'll be able to continue our yearly tradition of booing Colt McCoy by the second half of the preseason soon.

After watching a preseason game and a half, I'm kinda wondering if the Browns didn't miss the boat signing Brady Quinn (joking... kinda). These guys both look bad- albeit no thanks to the guys around them. That first series by Hoyer was laughable (like not bowling on shabbos). I'm not sold on either.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby justmebd » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:25 pm

The best thing I can say about this game is that it has not caused me to come down with a case of Ebola.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:25 pm

The Browns look competitive against 3rd & 4th stringers. Any chance any teams will want to play a JV schedule this season? Our starters v their taxi squad. .500 might be a realistic goal in that case.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:34 pm

justmebd wrote:The best thing I can say about this game is that it has not caused me to come down with a case of Ebola.


Ebola might be easier to deal with than this coming season. JFF looks like a deer in headlights (as well he should), Hoyer looks like an overwhelmed UFA. Hell, even Josh Gordon dropped a few balls earlier in the game, and he likely could lead the team in receiving if he gets lucky and plays in 8-10 games. J. Cameron dropped a couple tough chances/ catchable balls also. Tate looked like he ran tough, I'd probably give him the best grade of offensive specialists.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Spin » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:36 pm

And Colt McCoy finally connects with a Browns receiver for a touchdown.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:37 pm

And here's Colt... aka Gruden trying to talk with Colt McCoy's nuts in his mouth. Clearly all Cleveland's fault, had nothing to do with the fact that he was a sissy armed, slow footed, small white guy that thrived in a good system in Texas.

And on cue he completes a pass to the wrong colored jerseys for a TD. At least Gruden said it was Colt's bad and didn't come up with some leftfield reason it wasn't Colt's fault.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:52 pm

Conner Shaw looks as good as either of the other two... granted only a couple throws and against lesser opposition. But, two throws on the run, moving the pocket, reading the defense. Is he in the qb competition? (half tongue-in-cheek)
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Spin » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:08 pm

Where the fuck did they get this guuy?
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:09 pm

Who, Shaw?
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby bookelly » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:11 pm

Well at least that was entertaining.

A. Bryant looks like Voldemort.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:11 pm

Or Jon Gruden?

Shaw was a late (7th?) round draft pick out of South Carolina. Gruden is a certifiable idiot that makes shit up during games and seems to be more interested in talking about his personal anecdotes more than the actual game action, all the while making up words to sound more football savvy. See also: dolt, idiot, moron, retard...
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:22 pm

Is there any way Pettine can realistically name a starter this week after that quarterback shitshow? I mean, I can't say that I am privy to any behind the scenes conversation or practice performances, but based on the two bits of live action I've seen out of the two I'd need another week of game action. Or hurry up and install the old 1910/20's single wing/ box formation offense.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby bookelly » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:33 pm

The Shanahan 17 word per play install is way too complex to understand. How many times did we see our QB's throw behind the WR? That cannot be coincidence. There's confusion aplenty.

EDIT: And our Qbs both had horrible games.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby BSchultz17 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:59 pm

As much as I hate to say it, I'm starting to think that flash in the pan we saw a couple games last season actually isn't who Brian Hoyer is. I guess the rest of his career isn't the outlier we were hoping for. Is JFF the guy? I'm honestly not sure right now, but I can pretty confidently say who isn't the guy based on what I have seen. Certainly, pointing out Hoyer's ineptitude is not an endorsement/ criticism of Manziel's ability on my part. I sure wouldn't mind seeing more of Shaw in the next or last preseason game against some legitimate opposition. Who knows, maybe the Browns got lucky on that one? He had a certain something about him, though admittedly against lesser opposition than JFF and Hoyer. But, there's something to be said about going through some read progressions, moving around in the pocket and buying yourself some extra time, and delivering a catchable football to someone who is in a position to catch the ball in stride or turn and make a move before contact. I know, VERY small sample with him, but worth a further look if you ask me... especially after the garbage we saw under center the rest of the night.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:57 am

That was pretty awful. Defense looked good- at times. They had good push, but lost gap control. Lord knows you can't cover anyone anymore. Not a single unit on that team played well. They are going to have to run the ball because they sure as hell are incompetent at the forward pass.

And fuck Kyle Shananhan and his stupid ass play book. These fucking guys can't sniff .500 and his dumb ass wants to drop a 50K page playbook in their laps. Good call.

I was optimistic until I saw them play. SSDD.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby jerryroche » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:31 am

QBs were off by 18 inches--which I guess is a welcome change from those 15-yard overthrows and underthrows of B. Weeden. Were they putting the ball where they wanted to put it? Were they misjudging the speed or patterns of the WRs? Or were the WRs in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Either way, only one word for performance of the receiving corpse (that's right, corpse)--and that includes our All-Pro, whose head is obviously elsewhere: SUCK.

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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Spin » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:41 am

Kyle Shanahan is trying to run two different offenses depending on who the QB is. That's not working. The line has no idea what the hell is going on, the QB's aren't getting enough reps and the timing with the receivers is non-existent, blitzes weren't picked up.

PICK A FUCKIN OFFENSE. Scrap the other. Pick a fuckin quarterback and give him the reps in practice. Pick a guy and get him into the offense. if it's Johnny, fine. If Johnny sits, fine.

But this shit looks like Shan is trying to keep two needy wives happy.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:51 am

Good:

*Starting Defense looks pretty good (too bad they'll get worn down)
*RB's look solid (too bad they'll have the line stacked against them)
*Between them and the Bills, probably will have 2 really good 1st round draft picks.

Bad:

*QB play - just hideous.
*Teams already starting to Colt McCoy Manziel (stack the line and dare him to make a throw over the top).
*Even the one NFL-quality WR on the roster (Gordon) can't catch.
*Depth on Defense is poor (if you give up a TD to Colt McCoy, you should start filling out your UPS application as soon as you get back to the sideline)
*I got rid of Sunday Ticket. Sigh.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby gotribe31 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:58 am

It's the 2nd preseason game into a new coaching staff. The head coach is a defensive specialist. The new offensive coordinator has an admittedly complex system. The two QB's vying for the starting role are a career backup coming off of major knee surgery and a rookie who left college with two years of experience under his belt.

I know they looked bad. I know they've been bad for a long time. I know there's little reason for optimism right now, especially on the offensive side of the ball. But let's not go all Malibu Chief of Police here after the 2nd preseason game. We have less than 50 offensive plays to "analyze."
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:52 pm

Pettine better fucking pick a QB today. The splitting reps/QB competition thing has quite clearly not improved either QB's play or the cohesion of the starting unit in general. There's still time to make this look better (it'll still be meh, but possibly functional enough to be in games). But if he carries the QB competition garbage into another week, I think you'll just see more of the same.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:38 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Pettine better fucking pick a QB today. The splitting reps/QB competition thing has quite clearly not improved either QB's play or the cohesion of the starting unit in general. There's still time to make this look better (it'll still be meh, but possibly functional enough to be in games). But if he carries the QB competition garbage into another week, I think you'll just see more of the same.



I think his decision is clear:

Use the higher of the CLE or BUF pick on next year's future failed 1st round QB.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby pod2dawg » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:02 pm

^^^^^ That's good. Really good!
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:53 am

Start Hoyer. Hope Buffalo is also worth 4 wins and then we can all debate Hundley/Mariota/Winston.

Yes it's early to make any statements- but we've seen this every August for 15 years- and it always ends up the same. This is not ledging, this is reality. Sun rising in the East shit. Gravity. Taxes.

With the Gordon suspension looming, the Bitonio pick might not be that bad (unless of course he's a real turd), West/Tate need 35 carries a game. The old swing pass to Grey has been looking solid too.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:29 am

If you run the ball 35 times in 2014 - no matter who your QB is, you are about as dumb a team as is out there.

The TD drive that Manziel lead - without doing about anything right, was easier and more efficient than "pounding the ball."

The only reason to run the ball is how the Patriots, Saints, and Eagles do it - only running when they've created an advantageous imbalance through the passing game.

Lining up and "pounding" it.....Christ, if that's what Pettines gonna do, the /Browns are F'd no mater how the QB situation turns out.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:39 pm

leadpipe wrote:If you run the ball 35 times in 2014 - no matter who your QB is, you are about as dumb a team as is out there.

The TD drive that Manziel lead - without doing about anything right, was easier and more efficient than "pounding the ball."

The only reason to run the ball is how the Patriots, Saints, and Eagles do it - only running when they've created an advantageous imbalance through the passing game.

Lining up and "pounding" it.....Christ, if that's what Pettines gonna do, the /Browns are F'd no mater how the QB situation turns out.


I don't take nearly this dim a view of the running game, but I think it's safe to say that no team is going to run effectively unless they have at least a threat of a passing game to move those safeties out of the box.

2011 was a good example.

Not sure I cared who they picked to start either way, but Hoyer at least seems to be able to read the defenses and identify the open receiver. He's just had a problem getting it from his hand to said receiver.

And I'd be lying if I said I won't be watching the Mariota/Hundley/Winstons of the world carefully, since I've been unable to shake the feeling that Manziel was a wasted pick from the second it was made. And the odds are DAMN good both Buffalo and Cleveland are sub 6-win teams.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby mattvan1 » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:06 pm

leadpipe wrote:If you run the ball 35 times in 2014 - no matter who your QB is, you are about as dumb a team as is out there.

The TD drive that Manziel lead - without doing about anything right, was easier and more efficient than "pounding the ball."

The only reason to run the ball is how the Patriots, Saints, and Eagles do it - only running when they've created an advantageous imbalance through the passing game.

Lining up and "pounding" it.....Christ, if that's what Pettines gonna do, the /Browns are F'd no mater how the QB situation turns out.


Not if you're Rex Ryan Jr. who watched Beastmode help the Seahawks to the Lombardi.

Just do what they did. It's so easy a high school coach could teach it.

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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby pod2dawg » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:23 pm

It's OK to pound the rock if you end up in the endzone.

Kicking fieldgoals.....not so much.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby justmebd » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:36 pm

This looks like the same 4-12 team they've been for ages.

Coach who runs a QB Competition far longer than it should have gone: Check.

Winner of suspect competition is not giving fans any kind of warm feeling: Check.

Defense looks like it might win us some games: Check.

Total inability to beat the Steelers again looking like a complete reality: Check.

Seriously, I could add about another dozen things to this list, but I'm trying to be more positive.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:51 am

leadpipe wrote:If you run the ball 35 times in 2014 - no matter who your QB is, you are about as dumb a team as is out there.


As dumb as attempting a consistent vertical passing game without having anyone who has the ability to do so? I guess 3 incompletions and a punt = punting on 4 and 3.

But so far I have zero reason to expect anything from the passing game, I have seen flashes of competency on the ground.

It's the Jimmy's and Joe's, right. The Browns have neither. You're probably right, can't win without throwing. Right now the Browns can't throw.
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Re: Redskins Preseason Game

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:33 am

Erie Warrior wrote:
leadpipe wrote:If you run the ball 35 times in 2014 - no matter who your QB is, you are about as dumb a team as is out there.


As dumb as attempting a consistent vertical passing game without having anyone who has the ability to do so? I guess 3 incompletions and a punt = punting on 4 and 3.

But so far I have zero reason to expect anything from the passing game, I have seen flashes of competency on the ground.

It's the Jimmy's and Joe's, right. The Browns have neither. You're probably right, can't win without throwing. Right now the Browns can't throw.


It's soooo much easier to move the ball thru the air, that it's basically impossible for that not to be the easiest, most efficient way to move the ball NO MATTER WHO YOUR PERSONELL. Again, the stats prove this out - and the difference between yards per snap passing, and yards per play running grow every year FOR EVERY TEAM.

Believe me, I'm not looking all that forward to the 2014 Browns passing game, however, if they choose to be run dominant in 2014 they will be guaranteeing themselves a poor offense. Fences moved in 100 feet in baseball, you don't build with speedy singles hitters. Take away the three in the NBA, you don't design a perimeter offense. The league is BEGGING you to pass. They are making it impossible to defend. Morons ignore this fact, smart teams take advantage.

And "flashes" of competency of the ground are gonna get you just as many touchdown drives as you've gotten.

You can't pass you can't win. If you don't pass, you don't win. Period.
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